Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect

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Yes, that was a bad choice. But that is not true at all. We know about it because of what happened after they were left alone. Parents who make a bad choice and nothing bad comes of it don't make the news. Kidnappings and murders do. People always seem so eager to twist everything to make the parents the biggest bad guys here, why not place that on the person who took advantage of their bad choice and actually hurt the child?
As a parent your job is to keep your children from harm's way . Leaving your 3 small children unattended to enjoy an adult only dinner is not doing that job You go on child friendly hols ( ive sat through enough parrot shows , kids discos and guest talent shows to know ) your holiday experiences are through your child's enjoyment and experiences . When they eventually tire they got up on dads shoulders and we all go back to the apartment . As statistics sadly show predators and peodofiles are everywhere, could have been watching my own blond toddler for all I know . Difference is her safety was more important than some wine and tapas.
For clarity I'm from UK and have holidayed in European resorts like PDL .
 
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Funnily enough I'd watched a YouTube video by the psychiatrist Dr Todd Grande on Maddie a few days ago, and he made me realise how categorical my thinking had become.

In fact, having been convinced that the parents were involved in what happened to Maddie, after many years I changed my view, and I suspect I might know what happened, and that yes, she was indeed abducted.

So seeing this new news is incredible timing indeed.

I think that for me the obvious lies of the parents and their changing stories were what convinced me of their guilt, and probably also convinced the Portugeuse Police too, and I think the failure of the investigation lies at their feet, but this is what I suspect *might* have happened, and why they lied.

They were unqestionably irresponsible, they left their children unattended while they went out to party, and worse than that in an unlocked apartment.

As I remember it first they insisted that the room was locked, and the intruder must have got in through the window, by forcing it from the outside.

When this possibility was disproven they remebered they had in fact not been entering through the front door, with keys, but through the unlocked patio doors, and the intruder must have opened the window "as a red herring" - quite what red herring that was always escaped me - Maddie was missing, what was the intruder doing to mislead the Police from the primary situation?

The only fingerprints on the window were Kates, it hadn't been tampered with from the outside.

So imagine this - you have been utterly irresponsible, your child is now missing and you know you're for the high jump - possible criminal charges, might have your kids taken from you, lose your jobs lose everything.

In the head of a narcissist for example, you might think that unfair, I mean it's not really your fault after all - if it hadn't been for that pesky peadophile - he's the real villian, not us.

So to protect yourself a bit you might think "well, Maddie has been taken, that's the main thing and the thing the Police need to look at - so how does it matter if the abducter got in through the door or the window? If we say the door was locked we need to show how he got in, so if we open the window it'll look like that's how he did it. And since we're so super smart and they're as think as 10 short planks and we're doctors and important, they'll just believe that. But the important thing is they'll be looking for maddie".

Unfortunately they over estimated their own intellect and under estimated the intellect of the Police.

So when the Police say"no, not possible" - they have to find another way to explain how the intuder enetered - so they "remember" that oh, no actually the door was unlocked.

But now they have to explain away why the window was opened - you know, so they don't look like totally self absorbed and selfish monsters.

The Police know they are lying, and can't understand why, the whole thing now looks fishy, so the investigation focuses on the McCann parents.

And vital resources, hours days and months are lost trying to unpick the lies they've told to protect themselves from the stupidity and wrecklessness they displayed that led to the whole sorry episode.

If they'd just have said - we were stupid, we made a mistake, and not tried to fabricate evidence then they'd never have been suspects in the first place.

And Maddie might have been found.

But to look after their own interests, because that's all that matters to them, they tried to create a lie to cover their own faults, and that led the whole thing down a rabbit hole that never even existed in the first place.

Maybe - might have - etc for legal reasons - hey they sue you if you look at them funny.

But to my mind now - i've gone from they did it, to they didn't do it, to they're still the problem and caused all kinds of unnecessary problems through their own selfishness.

End of might be, maybe theory.
Again, we're talking opinions, in this case opinions about other people's psychology and motivations. It's quite possible they felt unbearable guilt. I knew someone who carelessly, accidentally killed her child. She could never admit it was her 'fault', her ego wasn't strong enough. She did, in the end, commit suicide, but never acknowledged why.
 
The "convicted pedophile" videoed himself raping a "72 year old" months before Maddie's disappearance and has been charged with that crime. It doesn't look like he was strictly into children, does it?

Sadly, I've had the same thoughts. Unlike perpetrators who have a specific victimology, the ones who randomly choose their victims are among the most evil and dangerous. Because they don't choose based on age or specific physical characteristics, they are often the most difficult to apprehend.

Perpetrators who photograph or video their crimes are IMO, the sickest humans alive. It's like re-victimizing those they chose to defile. Nothing makes me angrier. IF this is what happened with Maddie, I hope this individual receives the harshest form of punishment- whatever that may be.
 
Again, we're talking opinions, in this case opinions about other people's psychology and motivations. It's quite possible they felt unbearable guilt. I knew someone who carelessly, accidentally killed her child. She could never admit it was her 'fault', her ego wasn't strong enough. She did, in the end, commit suicide, but never acknowledged why.

Indeed but there's a difference between not being able to accept guilt, and fabricating evidence to try and clear your own faults.

That smacks of self preservation above all else, rather than not being able to come to terms with a mistake you made.

If I did something stupid and it caused my child harm I'd be beside myself, not looking at how I can make it look like someone else did it.
 
The DM seems to answer this question (I dislike relying on the DM but the timeline appears to be accurate). Madeleine McCann: German police reveal photo of suspect | Daily Mail Online

He was convicted of a sex offence as a juvenile in Germany in 1994. Often, juvenile offences are not on record unless the person commits a similar offence as an adult. So, if Portuguese police looked him up, that offense may not have popped up for them. The other convictions all appear to have happened after 2008.

Still, the guy was committing burglaries and selling drugs under the very noses of Portuguese police. He had no fixed address and no job, and was right near the scene of the crime 1 hour before the abduction. So I agree with the speculation that he got someone to give him an alibi.

Ah okay. Thank you.
 
Things have certainly ramped up overnight! It sounds like they have been seriously investigating this guy for three years and the detail of their suspicions is pretty impressive I think.
Also, last night, there was a lot of discussion about the suspect being part of an organized group or ring, but today it feels a whole more like he may be the only perpetrator.

You could be correct but I would like to add the following inside info from an Interpol & Scotland Yard (retired) detective who had a specialized career dealing with the child *advertiser censored* industry .

Goes like this ...... (ugly but true) ...... First level usually requires a kidnapping .... often done by a perverted street level offender ..... does it mainly for his own (twisted) pleasure .... but if he makes a video it can be sold on the black market for thousands of dollars .... so he does that .... but the video is often grainy , poorly focused and low quality .... remember this guy is not a movie maker ... he is in a rapist frame of mind .

But there is second level ...... a market for "snuff" which means filming the killing of the victim .... the child rapist , who is likely going to murder the victim anyway , will film that also because he can sell it for even thousands more dollars .

Third level intermediary will pay the "street pedophile" cash , and in an extremely cautious setting where he can never be identified ..... nor will he actually "transport" the video himself .... in other words there is "no evidence against him"

Fourth level is the top dealer who has a very select small group of final customers who pay mega-bucks for the video .... and clever like the others , he will never have personal possession of any evidence .... thus cannot be charged ..... talk about clever evil.

Now the shocker ..... who buys these videos ???? ..... the detective said we would be shocked to know some of the wealthy , high positioned citizens around us who have such perverted tastes.

Many of them drive Jaguars , none drive beat up Westfalia vans.
 
Sadly, I've had the same thoughts. Unlike perpetrators who have a specific victimology, the ones who randomly choose their victims are among the most evil and dangerous. Because they don't choose based on age or specific physical characteristics, they are often the most difficult to apprehend.

Perpetrators who photograph or video their crimes are IMO, the sickest humans alive. It's like re-victimizing those they chose to defile. Nothing makes me angrier. IF this is what happened with Maddie, I hope this individual receives the harshest form of punishment- whatever that may be.

Opportunistic. It’s a slightly different mindset. There’s a touch of the narcissistic about him too since it looks like the person who gave him away, is him. I would imagine that anything depraved goes. He’s been charged for child *advertiser censored*. It’s likely he’s sexually conditioned by violence in all its forms.
 
If you'll notice, at the bottom of the post it says "MOO", My Opinion Only. I would suggest writing something similar under and inside your posts as well, or use the phrase "IMO", In MY Opinion.

Because that's what these kinds of comments are, they are all just opinions. I prefer to discuss facts, myself.
Sure. But you said they only looked at the McCann's, correct? And I said that's not true. Robert Murat. 600 more suspects. That's not really a opinion, more of a fact about the case I would say. But sure, yeah I get it.

you mean he is in jail for something else? another case worse than that rape torture case. then he would be doing more that 7 years imo. and surely the daily mail would know about it.)))
No, not really. I meant that I don't really believe thaat's the only crime he's in there for. I think they metioned that one because it's probably the most recent, because of the fact that it also happened in Portugal. But I find it hard to believe that's the only crime he's there for. I would think that, while investigating the rape case, they found more. Apparently, it wasn't just the older lady, there was a younger female too on those tapes. I think they probably found a loooooooooot of dirty on him.
 
As a parent your job is to keep your children from harm's way . Leaving your 3 small children unattended to enjoy an adult only dinner is not doing that job You go on child friendly hols ( ive sat through enough parrot shows , kids discos and guest talent shows to know ) your holiday experiences are through your child's enjoyment and experiences . When they eventually tire they got up on dads shoulders and we all go back to the apartment . As statistics sadly show predators and peodofiles are everywhere, could have been watching my own blond toddler for all I know . Difference is her safety was more important than some wine and tapas.
For clarity I'm from UK and have holidayed in European resorts like PDL .


I agree the parent made an unbelievable choice.

However, they paid the ultimate price for their decision and I don't think anyone on this earth could punish them more than they do to themselves.

My heart goes out to them.

MOO
 
I’m rewatching the last episode of the Netflix doc series on Madeleine and they said a big nose and “pock-marked” face. To me, pock-marked is a very specific kind of look, not like cuts or shaving incidents.

I wonder if the police have been in touch with the lady that is in this doc talking about seeing the two blonde men outside the apartment, while she was with her friend. Would be interesting to hear her opinion on if one of the guys looked like this new suspect.


Yes this guy doesn’t have a pock marked face and he also doesn’t have a massive nose. Which are two features they mentioned.
 
No, he wasn't. The portuguese LE was stalked by the british media, were painted as lazy drunks and completely tarnished during the early stages of the investigation.


















I find this post extremely distasteful. These comments perpetuate the narrative that the portuguese are nothing but lazy bums that do nothing but spend money that they don't have, that love to eat and drink and that don't work. These observations should be made in a more tasteful, careful way. You probably don't mean it like that, but it is what it is.
I know that doesn't sound politically correct, but facts are, sadly in this case, facts. I am Italian and live in Germany for many years now. I can assure you that German police work much better than Italian police. Because of many reasons: Germany has and invests for the police more money than Italy does, much more money ; the average German person likes to work in a very precise way, it's a cultural thing - like it or not- and this applies to the police as well ; in Italy many people enter the police force because they are not qualified for anything else, in Germany policemen are carefully selected. And I'm afraid that in Portugal things don't work much better than in Italy. It hurts me to write all this about my native country, but hiding the truth behind political correctness doesn't bring much either.
 
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I agree the parent made an unbelievable choice.

However, they paid the ultimate price for their decision and I don't think anyone on this earth could punish them more than they do to themselves.

My heart goes out to them.

MOO

Agreed, they've been berated for their choices for 13 years, they made a terrible judgement but have more than paid the price already, constantly bringing up their mistakes doesn't help find out what happened to Madeleine.
 
This has just come from The Guardian...


In 1994, when just a teenager, he was convicted in his homeland of sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child, and carrying out sexual acts in front of a child.

The following year, as an 18-year-old who had just got his driving licence, he fled Germany for Portugal with a girlfriend to escape the youth custody sentence he had received, abandoning his apprenticeship as a car mechanic in the process.
 
I think at the time there were too many 'false' leads being followed by an under staffed Portuguese police force. The parents were put under suspicion, that wasted vital time and took up resources. Then there was non - cooperation between the British police and Portuguese police. There was no structure to the case. Leads that should of been followed weren't. Things just weren't done in a methodical way.
 
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