Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect

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Also from The Guardian...

A witness who gave evidence at the rape trial said he had seen him “climb through open windows in one or another holiday flat”. The witness said Brückner told close friends how he went after “tourist *advertiser censored*” like cameras, video cameras, passports, wallets or loose change, sometimes entering apartments while the occupants were taking a siesta or during the night.

... There is a definite drip feed here.
 
I think at the time there were too many 'false' leads being followed by an under staffed Portuguese police force. The parents were put under suspicion, that wasted vital time and took up resources. Then there was non - cooperation between the British police and Portuguese police. There was no structure to the case. Leads that should of been followed weren't. Things just weren't done in a methodical way.
I think the parents angle could've been discarded way sooner if the parents had cooperated with LE. I understand being scared and having a missing child on a foreign country, but that's more of a reason to cooperate to get it out of the way as soon as possible. Also, the fact that they called the press right away didn't help, at all. I still think to this day that, if she was abducted, all of that attention precipitated her murder. There was absolutely no way that anyone would be able to take Madeleine out of the country alive, her face was everywhere.
 
Also from The Guardian...

A witness who gave evidence at the rape trial said he had seen him “climb through open windows in one or another holiday flat”. The witness said Brückner told close friends how he went after “tourist ****” like cameras, video cameras, passports, wallets or loose change, sometimes entering apartments while the occupants were taking a siesta or during the night.

... There is a definite drip feed here.

Thanks, can you include links next time?
 
In more than 25 years, he flitted between the two countries, often escaping various criminal proceedings against him for the sexual abuse of children, but also drug-dealing, falsifying documents and driving without insurance.

His most serious conviction was for a disturbing sexual attack on a woman at the other end of the age spectrum, however: the rape of a 72-year-old American woman whose flat was on the 1km route between his house and the beach which he walked every day. The attack took place on 2 September 2005, and according to court documents seen by the Guardian, it was planned in detail.

According to the documents, Brückner entered the woman’s house at about 10.30pm through the open door of her living room. He dragged her through the house, tying her down, before beating her with a 30cm scimitar, raping her and then leading her to the kitchen where he forced her to hand over money and left by foot, taking her computer.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995
 
I find it interesting that they’ve now specified he had an English girlfriend 2004 - 2005 and he raped the 72 year old victim in 2005 where - given the account from those who found the related videos - there was apparently a younger women involved. (As in, those who claimed to have seen video footage of the rape cited videos of both an older and a younger woman.) Is this younger woman the girlfriend? There’s absolutely no reason to assume she wouldn’t be in a very abusive relationship with C.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner: a timeline
 
I find it interesting that they’ve now specified he had an English girlfriend 2004 - 2005 and he raped the 72 year old victim in 2005 where - given the account from those who found the related videos - there was apparently a younger women involved. (As in, those who claimed to have seen video footage of the rape cited videos of both an older and a younger woman.) Is this younger woman the girlfriend? There’s absolutely no reason to assume she wouldn’t be in a very abusive relationship with C.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner: a timeline

Yes, I wondered about that too and whether she was the source of his alibi
 
Hundreds of people have responded to a fresh police appeal for information over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Scotland Yard, working with German and Portuguese authorities, have received hundreds of emails and calls from the public after urging people to come forward if they could shed more light on a German prisoner currently under investigation on Wednesday night.

German prosecutors believe Madeleine is dead and are investigating the child sex predator on suspicion of her murder.

Hundreds respond to fresh Madeleine McCann appeal for information
 
Funnily enough I'd watched a YouTube video by the psychiatrist Dr Todd Grande on Maddie a few days ago, and he made me realise how categorical my thinking had become.

In fact, having been convinced that the parents were involved in what happened to Maddie, after many years I changed my view, and I suspect I might know what happened, and that yes, she was indeed abducted.

So seeing this new news is incredible timing indeed.

I think that for me the obvious lies of the parents and their changing stories were what convinced me of their guilt, and probably also convinced the Portugeuse Police too, and I think the failure of the investigation lies at their feet, but this is what I suspect *might* have happened, and why they lied.

They were unqestionably irresponsible, they left their children unattended while they went out to party, and worse than that in an unlocked apartment.

As I remember it first they insisted that the room was locked, and the intruder must have got in through the window, by forcing it from the outside.

When this possibility was disproven they remebered they had in fact not been entering through the front door, with keys, but through the unlocked patio doors, and the intruder must have opened the window "as a red herring" - quite what red herring that was always escaped me - Maddie was missing, what was the intruder doing to mislead the Police from the primary situation?

The only fingerprints on the window were Kates, it hadn't been tampered with from the outside.

So imagine this - you have been utterly irresponsible, your child is now missing and you know you're for the high jump - possible criminal charges, might have your kids taken from you, lose your jobs lose everything.

In the head of a narcissist for example, you might think that unfair, I mean it's not really your fault after all - if it hadn't been for that pesky peadophile - he's the real villian, not us.

So to protect yourself a bit you might think "well, Maddie has been taken, that's the main thing and the thing the Police need to look at - so how does it matter if the abducter got in through the door or the window? If we say the door was locked we need to show how he got in, so if we open the window it'll look like that's how he did it. And since we're so super smart and they're as think as 10 short planks and we're doctors and important, they'll just believe that. But the important thing is they'll be looking for maddie".

Unfortunately they over estimated their own intellect and under estimated the intellect of the Police.

So when the Police say"no, not possible" - they have to find another way to explain how the intuder enetered - so they "remember" that oh, no actually the door was unlocked.

But now they have to explain away why the window was opened - you know, so they don't look like totally self absorbed and selfish monsters.

The Police know they are lying, and can't understand why, the whole thing now looks fishy, so the investigation focuses on the McCann parents.

And vital resources, hours days and months are lost trying to unpick the lies they've told to protect themselves from the stupidity and wrecklessness they displayed that led to the whole sorry episode.

If they'd just have said - we were stupid, we made a mistake, and not tried to fabricate evidence then they'd never have been suspects in the first place.

And Maddie might have been found.

But to look after their own interests, because that's all that matters to them, they tried to create a lie to cover their own faults, and that led the whole thing down a rabbit hole that never even existed in the first place.

Maybe - might have - etc for legal reasons - hey they sue you if you look at them funny.

But to my mind now - i've gone from they did it, to they didn't do it, to they're still the problem and caused all kinds of unnecessary problems through their own selfishness.

End of might be, maybe theory.

Your post has a lot of merit.... that is if the parents were trying to cover themselves (poor parenting) by telling untruths .... a similar thing happened in Canada in 1969 (David Milgaard)

A nurse had been murdered and left in a snowbank in a small town where everybody knows everybody. Unfortunately for David , he was a stranger passing through with a couple of lowlife friends and had been staying overnight close to the murder scene .... to make matters worse , one of his low life friends fingered David simply to get the $2000 reward (which was a lot of money back then)

Davids problems started because he lied continually to police , made up stories trying to cover himself .... and it (was) understandable because he and his buddies had been drinking , doing drugs , and doing break and enters the night of the murder and no way were they going to tell the cops that.

Unfortunately the police got tunnel vision , even though he eventually told them he had been doing other crimes at the time , they simply did not believe him , constructed a case against him and he spent 23 years in prison ..... eventually DNA evidence released him and the government paid him 10 million dollars.

TRIVIA: sometimes telling the truth pays off ..... A know bank robber was found not guilty in court .... because he told the judge he was in a different part of town robbing a different bank (true story)
 
I think the parents angle could've been discarded way sooner if the parents had cooperated with LE. I understand being scared and having a missing child on a foreign country, but that's more of a reason to cooperate to get it out of the way as soon as possible. Also, the fact that they called the press right away didn't help, at all. I still think to this day that, if she was abducted, all of that attention precipitated her murder. There was absolutely no way that anyone would be able to take Madeleine out of the country alive, her face was everywhere.
agree with this. i have wondered why the parents didn't wait for the police experts, who would have more experience of what to do in various missing persons/kidnap/abduction scenarios.
and if the parents were so sure she had been kidnapped... why didn't they wait before contacting the media, in case the kidnapper offered terms, for her return?
 
I agree the parent made an unbelievable choice.

However, they paid the ultimate price for their decision and I don't think anyone on this earth could punish them more than they do to themselves.

My heart goes out to them.

MOO

I’ll put it this way, people who are working class or poor instead of rich wouldn’t have the luxury of just “punishing themselves,” they probably would have faced actual legal problems. Parents have been charged and thrown in jail for less. Some people are lucky to have money. IMO.
 
I have to repeat myself once again: Please be careful with your media sources. Do not rely on any article that can not give a source for their given facts. Do not take anything for granted published by the German news websites bild.de, ntv.de, rtl.de or t-online.de. They do have sources pretty high up in the police but they also tend to sell hearsay as facts and bend the truth like they want it to be. Especially if you read articles that just quote "German newspaper", be careful to believe it! The mayor part of German newspapers are pretty reliable, but there are black sheeps that value money more than anything else, so be on your guard!
 
This and the phone thing boggled my mind a bit too. They seem to have quite a bit of info about both vehicles.

I wonder if this will revive the dismissed libel case.

No it wont

For starters the Lisbon verdict essentially found that Amaral was free to state the nature and direction of the PJ inquiry as it stood at the time.
 
It’s my opinion that the Portuguese police were massively incompetent from the start. I have much more faith in the German police and the fact they are leading this investigation. Amaral in particular should feel ashamed at what he wrote in his book (accusing the McCanns, British police and even MI5 of a cover up) especially if this suspect turns out to be maddies killer, Sorry if that offends you though. It’s only my opinion.

Have only watched the miniseries and read the odd article on the case, so can't speak to the competence or not of the original investigation, but my impression at the time this all went down (as a Brit living in the UK at the time) was that the actual investigation and the UK publics perception of it were frequently at odds, partly led by the UK tabloids with their peculiar blend of prurience and moralizing and straight-up xenophobia and chauvinism, contributing to immense added pressure for the Portuguese police and thereafter their international colleagues. Conflicting evidence and changing stories and turf wars and egos didn't help. Neither did the locale -- resort, may transients, police force unused to dealing with a case of this complexity. So, close to a perfect storm of complicating factors for an already rare and difficult kind of crime. And it's worth noting that the British police, including the Met, have like every other police force on earth pooched plenty of cases for all sorts of reasons. Maybe they'd have solved this one by now had they been the first on the ground, but without local expertise, language barriers, etc., there's good reason to think that unlikely. But perhaps.

Jim Gamble, in the Belfast Telegraph article linked above, had this to say:

Mr Gamble continued: "The truth is the beginning of this investigation was bungled - that's not criticism of the police. It is that these cases are very rare and there are very few police services with the capabilities and capacities to deal effectively with them."

It's notable that all three police forces, Portuguese, German and British, are involved with the case currently. Hopefully it's the break they and the McCanns have been waiting for, even if it isn't the ending they''d prefer.
 
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Not all child molesters are pedophiles: some predators target the vulnerable, like this suspect, a elderly woman and a child. They treat their victims as objects, age does not matter to them.

True. Pedophiles are often predators of opportunity no matter which victim they target at the time.

It's obvious he selected victims he knew were defenseless to fight back regardless of their age.

Jmhoo
 
He remains in custody in the north-west German city of Braunschweig, and his conviction is under review after defence lawyers argued he had been extradited – this time from Italy, where he had travelled – on another charge and therefore under the rules of the European court of justice, they argue, he cannot be tried for a different crime.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

what sort of ridiculous law is this? Who makes them up? He could potentially get away with a brutal rape on a pensioner, despite dna evidence linking him to the crime, because of a technicality within European law? INSANE.
 
He remains in custody in the north-west German city of Braunschweig, and his conviction is under review after defence lawyers argued he had been extradited – this time from Italy, where he had travelled – on another charge and therefore under the rules of the European court of justice, they argue, he cannot be tried for a different crime.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

what sort of ridiculous law is this? Who makes them up? He could potentially get away with a brutal rape on a pensioner, despite dna evidence linking him to the crime, because of a technicality within European law? INSANE.
Defence lawyers will try anything once, it doesn't mean they will win.
 
I’m struggling a bit with “We are assuming she is dead” and them supposedly having determined the method by which she died.

Are they assuming she’s dead or do they know how she died?

I have some theories according this statement:
1. It's logic. Simple as that. The girl has been missing for so long that it is highly unlikely to find her alive. Why waste the time, energy and money in investigating her whereabouts when she is dead? It's easier to find a dead body then a living and moving person.
2. According to German law, anyone who has been missing for more than 10 years can be declared dead. If there is a clear sign that the missing person is in some danger that is threatening his life, he can be declared dead one year later. It might be that.
3. We do not know what he said when he was drunk. Maybe he confessed to have killed her. Maybe he implied it. Maybe they think if he raped her the way he did the poor old woman that Maddie had no chance to survive.
4. They took a look on the evidence collected by British and Portuguese police and came to different conclusions than them. Especially the cadaver dogs, as the results of cadaver dogs are accepted as evidence in court in Germany.
 
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