Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect

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Funnily enough I'd watched a YouTube video by the psychiatrist Dr Todd Grande on Maddie a few days ago, and he made me realise how categorical my thinking had become.

In fact, having been convinced that the parents were involved in what happened to Maddie, after many years I changed my view, and I suspect I might know what happened, and that yes, she was indeed abducted.

So seeing this new news is incredible timing indeed.

I think that for me the obvious lies of the parents and their changing stories were what convinced me of their guilt, and probably also convinced the Portugeuse Police too, and I think the failure of the investigation lies at their feet, but this is what I suspect *might* have happened, and why they lied.

They were unqestionably irresponsible, they left their children unattended while they went out to party, and worse than that in an unlocked apartment.

As I remember it first they insisted that the room was locked, and the intruder must have got in through the window, by forcing it from the outside.

When this possibility was disproven they remebered they had in fact not been entering through the front door, with keys, but through the unlocked patio doors, and the intruder must have opened the window "as a red herring" - quite what red herring that was always escaped me - Maddie was missing, what was the intruder doing to mislead the Police from the primary situation?

The only fingerprints on the window were Kates, it hadn't been tampered with from the outside.

So imagine this - you have been utterly irresponsible, your child is now missing and you know you're for the high jump - possible criminal charges, might have your kids taken from you, lose your jobs lose everything.

In the head of a narcissist for example, you might think that unfair, I mean it's not really your fault after all - if it hadn't been for that pesky peadophile - he's the real villian, not us.

So to protect yourself a bit you might think "well, Maddie has been taken, that's the main thing and the thing the Police need to look at - so how does it matter if the abducter got in through the door or the window? If we say the door was locked we need to show how he got in, so if we open the window it'll look like that's how he did it. And since we're so super smart and they're as think as 10 short planks and we're doctors and important, they'll just believe that. But the important thing is they'll be looking for maddie".

Unfortunately they over estimated their own intellect and under estimated the intellect of the Police.

So when the Police say"no, not possible" - they have to find another way to explain how the intuder enetered - so they "remember" that oh, no actually the door was unlocked.

But now they have to explain away why the window was opened - you know, so they don't look like totally self absorbed and selfish monsters.

The Police know they are lying, and can't understand why, the whole thing now looks fishy, so the investigation focuses on the McCann parents.

And vital resources, hours days and months are lost trying to unpick the lies they've told to protect themselves from the stupidity and wrecklessness they displayed that led to the whole sorry episode.

If they'd just have said - we were stupid, we made a mistake, and not tried to fabricate evidence then they'd never have been suspects in the first place.

And Maddie might have been found.

But to look after their own interests, because that's all that matters to them, they tried to create a lie to cover their own faults, and that led the whole thing down a rabbit hole that never even existed in the first place.

Maybe - might have - etc for legal reasons - hey they sue you if you look at them funny.

But to my mind now - i've gone from they did it, to they didn't do it, to they're still the problem and caused all kinds of unnecessary problems through their own selfishness.

End of might be, maybe theory.

I have been thinking about angle as well.

Something that never sat well with me is if Amaral's theory of the case was correct, why would such a large group of witnesses concoct a timeline to cover it up?

But maybe the motivation was different, and each witness acted to protect themselves in an unsaid pact.

It's pretty clear from the changing witness statements and testimony at the Lisbon trial that the "childish and unbelievable" timeline was retrofitted to create a very narrow window around the tanner sighting. But with the Met having eliminated the Tanner abductor and saying that the abduction might have happened 45 mins later, what are we to make of all these statements in the first place?

Was it simply some kind of unspoken pact to tell some white lies that they were then trapped into?

I mean if this guy did it, then all along he simply walked in an unlocked door and abducted the child. Maybe even killed her in the apartment. And he had a good amount of time to do it.

In which case the Tapa's witnesses themselves have hampered the investigation all along.

Why for instance did Tanner fit Murat up for the crime? Why don't the Tapas group clear all this up themselves?

I have so many questions about all this.
 
I am still waiting for some concrete proof as since when is being in a pub bragging and drinking and wanting a attention a crime.They

I know from following cases on this forum loads of killers confess to crimes they did not commit because they like to play games and love the attention it gives them. Him saying he snatched her doesn’t mean anything unless they actually have proof. Considering the crime scene was botched and no body I can not see how they will have much to go on.

IMO
They found concrete proof that one of his brags was true, the rape of the American woman, and convicted him of it as a result of that tip. That's a good thing, right? Punishing people for brutally attacking and raping a woman? Or is that just something that loads of people brag about because they just want attention or just play games...not sure who exactly you hang out with, or what kind of confessions you routinely listen to and laugh about.

Of course they have to pursue, in the most dedicated way possible, that his other confession was also true. They're not going to shrug their shoulders and say "we have no proof, das ist mir wirst".
 

That's the difference between an ex-cop blabbing his mouth to a tabloid, and a current police chief announcing a criminal investigation. He's obviously lost his credibility otherwise you're right, it would have blown up a few months ago.

Be glad the Germans have picked this case up, we might actually get further than the UK and Portugal did.
 
Have only watched the miniseries and read the odd article on the case, so can't speak to the competence or not of the original investigation, but my impression at the time this all went down (as a Brit living in the UK at the time) was that the actual investigation and the UK publics perception of it were frequently at odds, partly led by the UK tabloids with their peculiar blend of prurience and moralizing and straight-up xenophobia and chauvinism, contributing to immense added pressure for the Portuguese police and thereafter their international colleagues. Conflicting evidence and changing stories and turf wars and egos didn't help. Neither did the locale -- resort, may transients, police force unused to dealing with a case of this complexity. So, close to a perfect storm of complicating factors for an already rare and difficult kind of crime. And it's worth noting that the British police, including the Met, have like every other police force on earth pooched plenty of cases for all sorts of reasons. Maybe they'd have solved this one by now had they been the first on the ground, but without local expertise, language barriers, etc., there's good reason to think that unlikely. But perhaps.

Jim Gamble, in the Belfast Telegraph article linked above, had this to say:

Mr Gamble continued: "The truth is the beginning of this investigation was bungled - that's not criticism of the police. It is that these cases are very rare and there are very few police services with the capabilities and capacities to deal effectively with them."

It's notable that all three police forces, Portuguese, German and British, are involved with the case currently. Hopefully it's the break they and the McCanns have been waiting for, even if it isn't the ending they''d prefer.

It's also worth remembering that the core of the investigation against the parents was developed by UK detectives and investigative assets assisting PJ
 
That's the difference between an ex-cop blabbing his mouth to a tabloid, and a current police chief announcing a criminal investigation. He's obviously lost his credibility otherwise you're right, it would have blown up a few months ago.

Be glad the Germans have picked this case up, we might actually get further than the UK and Portugal did.

I tend to agree he lost his cred with all the Mi5 stuff. I wonder if he just went too far down the rabbit hole on it. He was placed under massive financial pressure and had health issues as well.

One good thing about the lisbon trial is it shone a light on the precise nature of the PJ investigation and his book is fairly accurate as to how that played out.

Making Amaral the bad guy for that is obvious nonsense. A lot of people were involved including UK detectives and assets.
 
That's the difference between an ex-cop blabbing his mouth to a tabloid, and a current police chief announcing a criminal investigation. He's obviously lost his credibility otherwise you're right, it would have blown up a few months ago.

Be glad the Germans have picked this case up, we might actually get further than the UK and Portugal did.

Yup, nobody was taking him seriously anymore, that's why it didn't go far.
 
@mrjitty with your background (law) and location (Germany, usually!!) do you feel confident the German police will deal with this in the efficient way they are expected to? I am optimistic they're involved as they are less likely to be biased or jaded by the case and more likely to have intel on this particular suspect.

I think they are at least free of the difficult politics and backstory that plagues the Met investigation.

What the Met were doing always struck me as bizarre - especially their theatrical expedition to PdL and the crime watch expose. I mean much of what they did is unknown to us, but you would have though an important first step of such a cold case review would have been to finally straighten out all the Tapa's stories? Yet seemingly they did not do this, beyond eliminating the Tanner sighting. Presuming they had been speaking to Tanner, why not get her version public to finally straighten all that out?

So yes, the German prosecutor is free of all that baggage and can try to make a prosecution based around a specfic theory of the case, rather than all these rabbit holes of the past.
 
I tend to agree he lost his cred with all the Mi5 stuff. I wonder if he just went too far down the rabbit hole on it. He was placed under massive financial pressure and had health issues as well.

One good thing about the lisbon trial is it shone a light on the precise nature of the PJ investigation and his book is fairly accurate as to how that played out.

Making Amaral the bad guy for that is obvious nonsense. A lot of people were involved including UK detectives and assets.

I don't particularly trust the UK or Portuguese police on this and haven't for years, it's been a big game of tit for tat. Far too invested, far too much of an agenda, far too much reputation on the line.
 
I don't particularly trust the UK or Portuguese police on this and haven't for years, it's been a big game of tit for tat. Far too invested, far too much of an agenda, far too much reputation on the line.

It's kind of revealing that the Met cold case review actually came up with nothing.

This is all based on a tipoff!
 
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