Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #15

[lawstudent]

I know this has been discussed before,but why is it an impossability that the planes computers were taken over remotely by someone on the plane? They say nobody has the technology to do that yet,but there has to be a first. And I would guess a trial run at it. With all the technology and ability to hack why is that so far fetched?
If that's were ever the case, no airplane is safe.

I don't think it can be said that it's an impossibility, but it's by no means easy. The plane didn't have an Internet connection at all, let alone one connected to its computer systems, so someone would have had to have installed their own on board and connected it to the computer systems without detection. And also configured it to tell the hacker where the plane was, and somehow lock it such that the pilot wouldn't be able to use the controls or call for help. People often hack into computers by tricking you into downloading some software that gives them control - would an airplane system even have the capability of opening whatever software would be needed? There has to be an access point.

ETA: And no computer system is safe - hacking is always a possibility. This is why I don't necessarily think the answer is making things more automated and remote, and I'd rather take my chance with a pilot. Having your system hacked and having the plane actually controlled are two different things though. You could hack into a plane and mess around with it, but the pilot could still have control from his end. And I don't think all the systems are connected, so it'd be hard to get control of everything, like the radio communications.

 

[aa9511]

Another day sadly. But whist I feel that the safety of all air and sea crew involved in the operation is paramount, I still feel that the revelations today, or rather lack of, just prolongs the agony of each and every relative that had loved ones, unfortunate to be on this plane. If it was me in that situation, I know I would need tangible evidence - of which I would have none. JMO

All of the relatives I've heard speak so far (I've just heard a few), they said they really need to actually see some debris from the plane.

There was a man on CNN, a brother of one of the victims, and he echoed a lot of the sentiment on here - that he still has a lot of questions. It was almost like he didn't really believe it - he kept saying he needs to see some debris. I almost felt like he kind of felt one of those "I'll believe it when I see it" kind of things.

IMO, I'm sure there are a lot of family members who feel the same way.

My hearts go out to them all.

JMO.

 

[Supernovae]

It's hard to say whether the fat lady has sung yet or not. Does anyone know if it's a specific part of the plane that's in communication with the Inmarsat satellites?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Personally, I think it was someone other than the two pilots.

Me, too.

And that's why I find the 'assumption' that the pilot must have been the one to ditch this plane in the ocean (murder-suicide) so galling to actually be putting in print already (eg. The Telegraph).

Investigators haven't even gotten definitive debris or remains from the S Indian Ocean yet. They haven't found the mysterious woman caller yet (that we know of); there are still unknowns out there--is this another lousy media maneuver just to be the first on the 'story'?

I fear journalism is dead.

 

[cady]

The problem is the ships aren't there yet, it takes hours and days to get there. HMS Echo (which will be very useful once it arrives, it specialises in under water searches) goes at approx 20 miles per hour.

THANKS I did not realize that the ships were not in the vicinity of already-spotted debris. I have no clue how long a Heli can travel but if the ships are within reasonable distance, why can't Heli's check on the debris. LOL glad I'm not responsible for managing searches. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

All of the relatives I've heard speak so far (I've just heard a few), they said they really need to actually see some debris from the plane.

There was a man on CNN, a brother of one of the victims, and he echoed a lot of the sentiment on here - that he still has a lot of questions. It was almost like he didn't really believe it - he kept saying he needs to see some debris. I almost felt like he kind of felt one of those "I'll believe it when I see it" kind of things.

IMO, I'm sure there are a lot of family members who feel the same way.

My hearts go out to them all.

JMO.

I hope it is soon possible for them to see something.
I do think it will happen. Just maybe not today/tomorrow.
To be honest, I would have been pretty much out of hope quite a while ago. I never believed anyone was holding this many people alive. But finding some wreckage is clearly needed for most.

JMO

 

[aa9511]

Whoa on the news, no one wants to utter the word "hijacker" or "terrorism" or "terrorists." They steer FAR AWAY from those words. WHY??

 

[Intermezzo]

Of course it should.....

While I don't want to come out and say "it was the pilot" until they can prove it, he has to be up there as one of the main suspects, and I really don't understand people getting so upset when people on here say they think the pilot had something to do with it.

This is a sleuthing site, no one knows him personally or what may have been on his mind but are willing to come on here and say "it wasn't the pilot he was a good man and you are all horrible people for putting on here that it might have been him!"...

Being a sleuthing site, that is what we are supposed to do, go through the information and try and put it all together...........well if that is the case then the pilot has to most definitely be a suspect.......I don't like the idea either, as I do think from what I have read about him, that he was a man that felt for and tried to help the underdog.............but putting that aside, you can not say it was not him, and at the moment you can not say with all certainly that it was him.........the cold hard truth, sad as it may be.

I agree.
I don't know if the pilot did it or not but as with any investigation, I believe as the saying goes, no stone should be left unturned.

 

[aa9511]

"done by pilots"......"mechanical error"......"compression/decompression".......fire......."bizarre series of mechanical events".....electrical....mechanical....etc., etc........

What about hijackers....terrorists....terrorism?

THey seem to be throwing every other scenario out there....including throwing the pilots under the bus. Yet they can't seem to even comprehend a scenario where terrorism is involved. Even in this day.

I agree with the other poster....journalism is dead.

JMO.

 

[Intermezzo]

Am I nuts or what. Don't some of the marinecraft have helicopter pads? Helicopters can get very close to the water (in decent weather conditions) and scoop up debris...can't they? I understand why they don't search at night, but this seems like a helicopter job to me.?????????? JMO

There was only 1(Australian) ship that was currently helping in the search HMAS Success
Ships from other countries were on the way but I don't believe had arrived yet..

 

[gregjrichards]

It's hard to say whether the fat lady has sung yet or not. Does anyone know if it's a specific part of the plane that's in communication with the Inmarsat satellites?

I think it's the satcom antenna on top of the plane that communicates with the Inmarsat satellites. There was a warning issued about cracking in the fuselage of Boeing 777's under the satcom adaptor and the risk it posed. There are many members more knowledgable about this than me though.

The FAA said it was "prompted by a report of cracking in the fuselage skin underneath the satellite communication (SATCOM) antenna adapter."

http://news.yahoo.com/us-regulators-warned-problems-boeing-777s-153156057.html

 

[Hatfield]

All of the relatives I've heard speak so far (I've just heard a few), they said they really need to actually see some debris from the plane.

There was a man on CNN, a brother of one of the victims, and he echoed a lot of the sentiment on here - that he still has a lot of questions. It was almost like he didn't really believe it - he kept saying he needs to see some debris. I almost felt like he kind of felt one of those "I'll believe it when I see it" kind of things.

IMO, I'm sure there are a lot of family members who feel the same way.

My hearts go out to them all.

JMO.

Absolutely and that has been the main point some of us today have been making. We need tangible proof. Just 1 person plucking 1 piece of debris and holding it in their hand and saying...."Yup, this is it guys".

That is what the families and previous crash victim family members continually say today. And I totally agree with them.

We have all had too much about satellites, images, pings, etc. We need just 1 piece of hard evidence.

Maybe we can get that someday.

 

[time]

I agree.
I don't know if the pilot did it or not but as with any investigation, I believe as the saying goes, no stone should be left unturned.

I think both pilots should be/have been investigated. However, I think they are unlikely suspects and don't see the media asking about other possible suspects. I also think so much suspicion being put on the pilot to the point of claiming he committed a suicide/murder, especially at this point, is a not appropriate.... they've already even had the FBI look over his flight simulator and I'm not sure why any info was released on deleted files and such (then run with by the media). I delete files all the time. In general, I think they could look at other angles as I have mentioned regarding the pilot also.

But what about the passengers or crew or anyone who came in contact or had access to the airplane instead of being obsessed with the Captain to the exclusion of most else.

 

[The Village Idiot]

+ + Pray for family and friends of Flight M370 + +


Now time for this -- a real investigation

Has it been released....or do we know THE SEATING LIST/DOCKET inside where everyone was sitting on this flight??

Where were those 2 guys sitting with the Fake ID's? Close to front? Close to Each other?

I kinda find this funny that this has not been released or talked about -- as you think this would be very important too.

Wandering minds WANT to know this info!!!!!!!!!​

 

[cluciano63]

Well if it was a hijacker or a terrorist, IMO, it was a fairly inept one in that they did not get the plane, did not make a point for their beliefs or organization, did not get ransom, etc....JMO

 

[time]

Whoa on the news, no one wants to utter the word "hijacker" or "terrorism" or "terrorists." They steer FAR AWAY from those words. WHY??

Come on, the most likely scenario is a hijacking no matter if the plane went south or not, quite possibly by terrorists. Almost every official source keeps claiming this isn't some accident. No reason to think hijackers/terrorists announce every single thing they do.

 

[ilovepierre]

This is not the news any of us wanted but I also have always thought the plane was in the ocean somewhere. I did think the plane had been hijacked but over the past few days, I have changed my mind. I now believe there was mechanical failure and the plane flew on autopilot until it ran out of fuel. I never believed either pilot was involved and I still don't. I also believe that searchers are fairly certain they have visually located debris from the plane and now it is a matter of getting the objects out of the ocean,

I agree with most of this post.
Like you, I don't think either pilot is involved.
I used to think 100% hijack, but now it's 75% hijack, 25% mechanical failure.

I really believe this debris is from the plane. Hopefully it is, and we can maybe get some answers!

 

[Nana]

Whoa on the news, no one wants to utter the word "hijacker" or "terrorism" or "terrorists." They steer FAR AWAY from those words. WHY??

Might hurt some ones weeee little feelings? JMO :banghead:

 

[hockeymom]

+ + Pray for family and friends of Flight M370 + +


Now time for this -- a real investigation

Has it been released....or do we know THE SEATING LIST/DOCKET inside where everyone was sitting on this flight??

Where were those 2 guys sitting with the Fake ID's? Close to front? Close to Each other?

I kinda find this funny that this has not been released or talked about -- as you think this would be very important too.

Wandering minds WANT to know this info!!!!!!!!!​

And don't forget that other guy who was an airplane mechanic or something like that.

 

[lawstudent]

"done by pilots"......"mechanical error"......"compression/decompression".......fire......."bizarre series of mechanical events".....electrical....mechanical....etc., etc........

What about hijackers....terrorists....terrorism?

THey seem to be throwing every other scenario out there....including throwing the pilots under the bus. Yet they can't seem to even comprehend a scenario where terrorism is involved. Even in this day.

I agree with the other poster....journalism is dead.

JMO.

I don't think a hijacking is all that likely now that we know it's in the ocean. We have no evidence that anyone else ever took control with a plan in mind at this point, unlike when it was rumored to have landed. Terrorism is hard to discuss responsibly without more evidence as to motive, but that's never stopped the media, so I agree they shouldn't be avoiding it to be PC. But based on what we have, it could still have been an accident. Could also be pilot suicide, which isn't hijacking, and may not be terrorism. The reporting has been terrible all around. The impression that it's clearly deliberate is one of the results of the terrible reporting - that really isn't confirmed at this point, nor is the length of time it allegedly flew.