Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #17

[JerseyGirl]

The other day there was an expert I was watching on TV. He was explaining that if they find any cell phones, ipads, laptops etc... they will be able to preserve them and extract any videos, messages etc that are on them. It was fascinating listening to him explain it.

I saw that too, they are thinking that perhaps some passengers may have tried to call or message their loved ones. Here's the company:

http://www.forensicon.com/

 

[Kimster]

What we've concluded so far:

1. The plane is missing

2. There's a lot of "junk" in the Indian Ocean.

So this is the update for those of us waking up on the west coast?

:sigh:

 

[JerseyGirl]

So this is the update for those of us waking up on the west coast?

:sigh:

No. sorry. here's the latest: :blushing:

New Search Area! NEW! Sorry, it's so new there are no satellite images yet!

Five out of 10 aircraft hunting for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 found objects of various colors Friday, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said. It said it was not clear whether the objects were from the plane, and photos of them would be analyzed overnight.

AMSA said the objects included two that were blue and grey — among the colors of the missing airplane. A Chinese patrol ship in the area will attempt to locate the objects on Saturday, it said

http://www.newser.com/article/22e10...objects-seen-but-not-confirmed-as-debris.html

 

[time]

Yesterday

Boeing being sued on behalf of passengers

Today

Malaysian officials confirmed later Friday morning that the further analysis of the radar data was done by Boeing at its headquarters in Washington state.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/search-...ved-almost-700-miles-after-credible-new-lead/

:coffeews: I need more coffee

 

[popsicle]

I saw that too, they are thinking that perhaps some passengers may have tried to call or message their loved ones. Here's the company:

http://www.forensicon.com/

Yes, ty. :loveyou:

 

[marlywings]

A day after Prime Minister Tony Abbott informed the world that satellite images had located two items in the Indian Ocean, one that measured 24 metres in length, he conceded that the big item was not necessarily part of the missing Boeing 777.

“Now, it could just be a container that has fallen off a ship,” he said. “We just don’t know, but we owe it to the families ... to do everything we can to try to resolve what is as yet an extraordinary riddle.”

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...nes-flight-mh370/story-fnizu68q-1226867568452

 

[marlywings]

David Ferreira, an oceanographer at the University of Reading in Britain, said little is known about the detailed topography of the seabed where Malaysia Flight 370 is believed to have crashed.

“We know much more about the surface of the moon than we do about the ocean floor in that part of the Indian Ocean,’’ Ferreira said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...care-court-hears/story-fnihsrf2-1226867702175

 

[PrairieWind]

I wonder, did the shift in the search area come about because of recalculation of the speed issue OR did someone find likely plane debris in the new area which then led the investigators to relook at the satellite data and then determine the speed must have been different. The press release indicated "credible evidence". To me that would mean more than just "we recalculated the speed" and must mean they had more evidence. But of course, nothing is as it appears in this case.

 

[JerseyGirl]

The Malaysian investigation team set up an international working group, comprising agencies with expertise in satellite communications and aircraft performance, to take this work forward.

The international working group included representatives from the UK, namely Inmarsat, AAIB, and Rolls Royce; from China, namely the CAAC and AAID; from the US, namely the NTSB, FAA, and Boeing; as well as the relevant Malaysian authorities.

The group has been working to refine the Inmarsat data, and to analyse it – together with other information, including radar data and aircraft performance assumptions – to narrow the search area.

Information which had already been examined by the investigation was re-examined in light of new evidence drawn from the Inmarsat data analysis.
In addition, international partners – who continue to process data in their home countries, as well as in the international working group – have further refined existing data. They have also come up with new technical information, for example on aircraft performance.

Yesterday, this process yielded new results, which indicated that MH370 flew at a higher speed than previously thought, which in turn means it used more fuel and could not travel as far. This information was passed to RCC Australia by the NTSB, to help further refine and narrow the search area.

The Australian authorities have indicated that they have shifted the search area approximately 1,100 kilometres to the north east. Because of ocean drift, this new search area could still be consistent with the potential objects identified by various satellite images over the past week.

Read more: MH370 Lost in Indian Ocean: Hishammuddin's statement : Day 21 - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...che=03/7.198169?page=0/7.238295#ixzz2xGpopqxz

 

[Boodles]

I wonder, did the shift in the search area come about because of recalculation of the speed issue OR did someone find likely plane debris in the new area which then led the investigators to relook at the satellite data and then determine the speed must have been different. The press release indicated "credible evidence". To me that would mean more than just "we recalculated the speed" and must mean they had more evidence. But of course, nothing is as it appears in this case.

Or are they throwing darts at a map on a wall?

Seriously though, I am grateful for those who are trying to figure out this mystery. But also frustrated and angry with those who are obfuscating.

 

[Elley Mae]

Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said the objects seen in those satellite images are still potentially pieces of the missing plane or its cargo since ocean drift and the unpredictable currents in that part of the ocean could account for their location.

But Pattiaratchi, the currents expert, said there is “absolutely no chance” the objects picked up in satellite images drifted so far southwest from the area new being searched. The new section being searched and the old one, he said, are in completely different systems of currents, and it’s unlikely for objects to move from one to another. If they did, he said, it would take several years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...74b58a-b641-11e3-8cb6-284052554d74_story.html

The depth of the water in the new area is between 1.2 miles and 2.5 miles, Australian officials said.

bbm

 

[QueenD]

Got a question .....

Do the black boxes float ? If not, wouldnt it make more since if they were made out of floating material ?

 

[Elley Mae]

Got a question .....

Do the black boxes float ? If not, wouldnt it make more since if they were made out of floating material ?

It appears that is on the way. ejectable anyway
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_data_recorder"]Flight data recorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

On March 12, 2014 in response to the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, Congressman David Price re-introduced the SAFE ACT “deployable recorder” concept in the House of Representatives. “Rep. David Price, D-N.C., said the importance of his proposal is demonstrated in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which has been missing since March 8, 2014. The 9/11 Commission recommended that planes carry ‘ejectable black boxes’ to make them easier to find. Navy planes have carried them for years, and Transportation Security Administration was given $3.5 million in 2008 to study and test the proposal. ‘The need for this has once again been demonstrated,’ Price told Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx at an Appropriations subcommittee on transportation hearing."

 

[dotr]

" Five out of 10 aircraft hunting for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 found objects of various colours Friday, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said. It said it was not clear whether the objects were from the plane, and photos of them would be analyzed overnight.

AMSA said the objects included two that were blue and grey -- among the colours of the missing airplane. A Chinese patrol ship in the area will attempt to locate the objects on Saturday, it said."

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/objects-found-in-new-mh370-search-zone-1.1749923#ixzz2xGsH29yu

 

[Elley Mae]

snips

The black box is bolted into the tail of the aircraft to avoid damage in a head-on crash.

Both the voice recorder and the data recorder each have their own pinger. But there's a problem - the battery of the pinger on MH370 will only last for 30 days, says Steve Brecken, media director at Honeywell. Some pingers last for 90 days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26721975

bbm

 

[JerseyGirl]

Got a question .....

Do the black boxes float ? If not, wouldnt it make more since if they were made out of floating material ?

It would make a lot more sense if they did away with how they do it now and convert the black box information to be stored on a cloud:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/20/malaysia-airlines-blackbox-idUSL2N0MG06H20140320

 

[dotr]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbAUfCPkvbE"]Breaking News: New Zealand Air Force Plane Spots Objects In New Search Area - 28 Mar 2014 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There is a picture here at this link that is interesting. fold-up helicopter being unloaded from the back of a cargo plane. Also at the AMSA you can read about the updates but it will not allow me to link. jmo

http://news.sky.com/story/1233253/missing-plane-objects-seen-in-new-search-area

A tweet from the Australian Marine Safety Authority (AMSA) said a Royal New Zealand Air Force Orion aircraft spotted the objects on Friday.

Helicopters always have their massive blades collapsed during transport. That is the only way they can be stored inside what looks like to be something like a C-130 cargo plane. It sure isn't a 53 though. They cant get that particular heli in a transport plane even with the blades collapsed.

Even on the flight deck when the 53 heli comes in the blades are collapsed when stored inside the hangers. The spread of the blades when out are huge.

The CH-53 Super Stallion ( one of the largest heli in the world) ,which can refuel in the air, has seven massive blades attached to the massive rotor head. When the pilot powers down the aircraft on the flight pad the blades collapses shifting forward over the area of the windshield where the pilots sit.

I don't know why they aren't flying the USMC 53s off of the Navy ship because entire fleets of 53s are onboard. They can refuel in the air too, and a helicopter can get much closer to the water where the areal observer onboard can see things very clearly. This is not some tiny helicopter. It is massive. It is 100 feet long, two stories high, and has three powerful jet engines.

imo

 

[time]

Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said the objects seen in those satellite images are still potentially pieces of the missing plane or its cargo since ocean drift and the unpredictable currents in that part of the ocean could account for their location.

But Pattiaratchi, the currents expert, said there is “absolutely no chance” the objects picked up in satellite images drifted so far southwest from the area new being searched. The new section being searched and the old one, he said, are in completely different systems of currents, and it’s unlikely for objects to move from one to another. If they did, he said, it would take several years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...74b58a-b641-11e3-8cb6-284052554d74_story.html

The depth of the water in the new area is between 1.2 miles and 2.5 miles, Australian officials said.

bbm

PBM - Doh! Why does that guy say anything! :notgood:

 

[southerncat]

I'm confused. So the debris that was found initially which lead to the press conference stating that all was believed to be lost has now turned out to be nothing? They are searching in another more promising area?

no wonder people believe in conspiracy theories. sometimes its more believable than the "truth"