Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #19

[aa9511]

The mistranslation comes from the transcript being translated into Mandarin Chinese and then someone releasing the Mandarin version without authority and translated it into English. From what we know Malaysia had nothing to do with translating it from Chinese into English and that is why there is a mistake. Apparently it was not Malaysia's mistake because they never released the transcript to the media in the first place. jmo

Do we even know if they gave the Chinese or the families a Chinese-translated version of the transcript? I have not heard of this before, that's why I'm asking. I never heard of any Chinese-translated one given to anyone.

The first I heard of a transcript is when the Telegraph reported it.

Yes, you're right that the ultimate blame does not lie with the Malaysians. It lies with the Telegraph. IMO they did some type of misleading, b/c IIRC they never gave source of where they got the transcript from, and they never said if it was tranlslated from some other language or what translations the transcript went through before reaching the Telegraph.

I have not compared the two word-for-word, however in the Telegraph version, there is completely different vernacular and there are few technical terms. I understood every word of Telegraph one, however I had hard time keeping up with the official version b/c of all the aviation lingo.

Yes, that could because it was originally translated to some language like Chinese, and they made an "easy to understand" version for the layperson.

However, then the Telegraph should have know about that and shoudl have included it in their report.

But then also is the fact that this "all right, good night" circulated in the news for weeks, and the Malaysian officials never once said, oh that is actually not technically correct version, and let us give you the real version so that we can put to rest any rumors that are getting started, because we don't want misinformation to spread. Or something like that.

IDK, it just seems odd to me.

JMO.

 

[CARIIS]

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15:48:37 AAL157 Good afternoon, Tokyo, American one five seven, flight level three nine zero.
15:48:44 ATCt American one five seven, Tokyo control, descend and maintain flight level three five zero, due to traffic.
15:48:49 AAL157 Descend to flight level three five zero, due to traffic, leaving flight level three nine zero, American one five seven.
15:48:56 ACCt Allnippon six five eight, resume normal speed, contact Tokyo approach one one niner decimal one.
15:49:00 ANA658 Allnippon six five eight, normal speed, one one nine decimal one, good day.
15:49:03 ACCt Good day.

 

[ilovepierre]

Question: are there still searches going on?

 

[CARIIS]

And lets not forget they blurred the manifest too!!

 

[aa9511]

I can only speak about things that have been declassified or are obvious enough that it may as well be. Lots has been declassified, so that's why folks can hear this sort of thing at all. Most (not all) of the possibilities in the Northern possible flight path are much better monitored for planes. I'm not talking about whether India turned their island radar on or not; this watching is done by who all you'd expect would do it. China is one of those you should expect, keep in mind Others to be expected in that are searching their butts off down south, as is China.

Also, parts of the southern area are being monitored, just not for planes typically (or not for planes at all?). Could they use their data like Inmarsat did? Possibly so.

Folks can't just come out and say some of the reasons regarding secret security that they know the southern path is more likely. I can give ages-old examples, from the 60's and 70's, but even then for most of them, it's just because the suspicions are publicly available. I'd have to look up some blog that suspected what was real and link to there, for instance.

But basically, folks just can't explain what is out there (what countries would know), because it's secret. Maybe some media should take a poll of military folks from certain countries and ask which corridor they think it must be. I'm pretty sure they'd say the Southern, depending on what they did in the military

I apologize for the non-answer, btw. I know it sounds like conspiracy or Hollywood stuff, but it's not. I'm just from an extended military family that liked[es] making or managing things that were secret The nerdy science types whose backgrounds are always boring and perfect for the job, lol. They don't go around blogging or posting about what is still secret. You just don't do that.

Are you that Bitcoin founder? Bitcoin or whatever it is, forgive me if I got the name wrong.

 

[writer7]

All the pings, translated from UTC to Malaysian time:

#1 -- 2014/03/07 16:30:00.000 = 00:30 (am next day)
#2 -- 2014/03/07 16:43:00.000 = 00:43 am
#3 -- 2014/03/07 16:55:00.000 = 00:55 am
#4 -- 2014/03/07 17:07:00.000 = 01:07 am
#5 -- 2014/03/07 18:25:00.000 = 02:25 am
#6 -- 2014/03/07 18:27:00.000 = 02:27 am
#7 -- 2014/03/07 18:29:00.000 = 02:29 am
#8 -- 2014/03/07 19:40:00.000 = 03:40 am
#9 -- 2014/03/07 20:40:00.000 = 04:40 am
#10 -- 2014/03/07 21:40:00.000 = 05:40 am
#11 -- 2014/03/07 22:40:00.000 = 06:40 am
#12 -- 2014/03/08 00:11:00.000 = 08:11 am

(See my post a few posts above for links and such)

 

[writer7]

Are you that Bitcoin founder? Bitcoin or whatever it is, forgive me if I got the name wrong.

ROFL! I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you, see...

 

[Sincerely]

They had rapport the media make this big deal FOR WEEKS that there is something wrong with pleasantries is not true! It happens all the time - not in New York Atlanta etc , if it is not a slammed ATC tower this is actually typically if you notice the frequency of the niceties between one another it is just the rhthum of the interaction - normal meaningless typical





!ATC DELIVERY
12:25:53 MAS 370 Delivery MAS 370 Good Morning
12:26:02 ATC MAS 370 Standby and Malaysia Six is cleared to Frankfurt via AGOSA Alpha Departure six thousand feet squawk two one zero six
12:26:19 ATC ... MAS 370 request level
12:26:21 MAS 370 MAS 370 we are ready requesting flight level three five zero to Beijing
12:26:39 ATC MAS 370 is cleared to Beijing via PIBOS A Departure Six Thousand Feet squawk two one five seven
12:26:45 MAS 370 Beijing PIBOS A Six Thousand Squawk two one five seven, MAS 370 Thank You
12:26:53 ATC MAS 370 Welcome over to ground
12:26:55 MAS 370 Good Day

LUMPUR GROUND
12:27:27 MAS 370 Ground MAS370 Good morning Charlie One Requesting push and start
12:27:34 ATC MAS370 Lumpur Ground Morning Push back and start approved Runway 32 Right Exit via Sierra 4.
12:27:40 MAS 370 Push back and start approved 32 Right Exit via Sierra 4 POB 239 Mike Romeo Oscar
12:27:45 ATC Copied

12:32:13 MAS 370 MAS377 request taxi.
12:32:26 ATC MAS37..... (garbled) ... standard route. Hold short Bravo
12:32:30 MAS 370 Ground, MAS370. You are unreadable. Say again.
12:32:38 ATC MAS370 taxi to holding point Alfa 11 Runway 32 Right via standard route. Hold short of Bravo.
12:32:42 MAS 370 Alfa 11 Standard route Hold short Bravo MAS370.

12:35:53 ATC MAS 370 Tower
12:36:19 ATC (garbled) ... Tower ... (garbled)
MAS 370 1188 MAS370 Thank you

LUMPUR TOWER
12:36:30 MAS 370 Tower MAS370 Morning
12:36:38 ATC MAS370 good morning. Lumpur Tower. Holding point.. [garbled]..10 32 Right
12:36:50 MAS 370 Alfa 10 MAS370

12:38:43 ATC 370 line up 32 Right Alfa 10.
MAS 370 Line up 32 Right Alfa 10 MAS370.
12:40:38 ATC 370 32 Right Cleared for take-off. Good night.
MAS 370 32 Right Cleared for take-off MAS370. Thank you Bye.

LUMPUR APPROACH
12:42:05 MAS 370 Departure Malaysian Three Seven Zero
12:42:10 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero selamat pagi identified. Climb flight level one eight zero cancel SID turn right direct to IGARI
12:42:48 MAS 370 Okay level one eight zero direct IGARI Malaysian one err Three Seven Zero
12:42:52 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Lumpur Radar One Three Two Six good night
MAS 370 Night One Three Two Six Malaysian Three Seven Zero

LUMPUR RADAR (AREA)
12:46:51 MAS 370 Lumpur Control Malaysian Three Seven Zero
12:46:51* ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero Lumpur radar Good Morning climb flight level two five zero
12:46:54* MAS370 Morning level two five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero
12:50:06 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero climb flight level three five zero
12:50:09 MAS370 Flight level three five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:01:14 MAS370 Malaysian Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero
01:01:19 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:07:55 MAS370 Malaysian...Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero
01:08:00 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:19:24 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9 Good Night
01:19:29 MAS370 Good Night Malaysian Three Seven Zero

It is kind of interesting that he always good morning and good night when appropriate, yet the last time he said good night after considering it good morning just a few hours earlier...probably nothing...but I noticed it enough to look twice.

 

[Momoffourboys]

And lets not forget they blurred the manifest too!!

Yes. Searches have resumed, though have scooted over about 1,000 miles east.



SYDNEY—The search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 moved closer to Australia’s coastline, underscoring continuing uncertainty over where the plane may have gone down in the southern Indian Ocean.

Charts released by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority put Wednesday’s planned search area around 1,490 kilometers (925 miles) west of the Western Australian state capital of Perth.

The move follows earlier unsuccessful efforts by a multinational group of military aircraft and ships to scour seas for possible plane debris closer to what authorities believe was Flight 370′s final flight path.

On Tuesday, the Australian former military chief leading the hunt for Flight 370 aimed to damp expectations that search teams would find any wreckage in the coming days, saying it wasn’t completely certain they were looking in the right place.

“We are working from a very uncertain starting point,” Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston said in the first briefing since his Joint Agency Coordination Centre took responsibility for providing regular updates on the search Tuesday.


http://stream.wsj.com/story/malaysia-airlines-flight-370/SS-2-475558/

 

[CARIIS]

It was a dialog about the MAL for some reason feeling the need to lie about dangerous cargo when first asked! He said fruit when asked ! Later before they hid the manifest (my guess is NTSB) discovered that the belly had class 9 dangerous lith batteries that were not menitoned. The no acknowledging that when asked in the very beginning is even more bothersome in that they are certified dangerous carrier. My take on it is the Free Scale engineers had lots of interesting toys in the belly as it relates to the technology they were working on . So the battery thing was a poster saying for laptops so I got a picture of batteries related to aviation in the radar dome of a airplane! Could just be reg batteries, but there would be no reason to talk about fruit if they wer laptop batteries!!! Now lith batteries for jet airline communication equipment on an aircraft that falls of the radar and cant be located with 20 engineers on it might just be somethig different!!!!


Who knows anymore huh!

A little more explanation would be appreciated. lithium battery as part of the airplane or as part of the cargo? what???? thanks

 

[aa9511]

Ah, no! I'm reading the space scientist dude's (suggested by tout's journalist) essays on the Inmarsat data and all sorts of good stuff. He's a space scientist, so he knows his math, lol.

I see a BIG problem with scientific inputs, and it may mean Inmarsat was wrong. He thinks so. His calculations involve a different set of starting data regarding the exact position of the satellite. Could the Brits have screwed up their calculations by using the wrong starting position? Not likely, I'd think.

What he used were "the latest unclassified-satellite orbits from the US military". Now that might be a problem. Or not.

Which do y'all think is more likely: Inmarsat knows exactly (like in math terms) where its satellite is at any given time and does those calculations perfectly. You'd think, right?

OR... the most recent US intel data is more precise?

Does anyone know how precise Inmarsat needs its math to be usually, given their real purpose? The only way I could see Inmarsat making any mistake there is if they usually don't need that sort of precision and used old or less precise tables of their own for that data.

I hope it's just that the new, classified US data reflects a slight change. Otherwise, if Inmarsat is wrong, the calculations will be off

This is all along with Inmarsat not having the Malaysian radar readings in enough detail to tell another crucial input 'error'. One of their assumptions was off because they weren't given the exact info. That's why they moved the search location recently. I hope we don't see a repeat Shoot!

Here's the guy and his work:
http://www.duncansteel.com/

Read past the first big post. He talks about all this in great depth (except for where he has to make assumptions, too, due to lack of released info, but he explains why he chose the assumptions he did at least).

IDK but I am going with Inmarsat until someone else gets a crack at the same exact data that they had to work with. Because they are the only ones as of now who actually have the real data associated with 370. Others are plugging in and guessing, and IMO it is not going to give the same result as the people who have the real data to work with.

Another thing is that it was reported that Inmarsat has some other group (was it Nasa?) I guess, double-check their work.

JMO.

 

[CARIIS]

They had a full plane, lots of time sitting around loading, have a long (in our instance very very very very L O N G flight!)

I would also be a bit and stressed and preoccupied if I just realzied that something very bad was happening (intrusion/being clobbered of the head your with me taken over) , OR it is time to commit the biggest aviation theft in history!!!

It is kind of interesting that he always good morning and good night when appropriate, yet the last time he said good night after considering it good morning just a few hours earlier...probably nothing...but I noticed it enough to look twice.

 

[aa9511]

ROFL! I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you, see...

:floorlaugh:

 

[CARIIS]

ROFL! I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you, see...

we would have our very own murder thread WS kills fellow Ws while other Ws are sluthing the case ------------interesting!! Be sure to keep it interesting!!

 

[Momoffourboys]

It is kind of interesting that he always good morning and good night when appropriate, yet the last time he said good night after considering it good morning just a few hours earlier...probably nothing...but I noticed it enough to look twice.

Wasn't he just replying to what ATC was saying?


12:46:51* ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero Lumpur radar Good Morning climb flight level two five zero
12:46:54* MAS370 Morning level two five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero
12:50:06 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero climb flight level three five zero
12:50:09 MAS370 Flight level three five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:01:14 MAS370 Malaysian Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero
01:01:19 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:07:55 MAS370 Malaysian...Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero
01:08:00 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:19:24 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9 Good Night
01:19:29 MAS370 Good Night Malaysian Three Seven Zero

 

[ilovepierre]

And lets not forget they blurred the manifest too!!

This was discussed in great detail already, has it not?
There was nothing suspicious about either person on the manifest(s).
The one passenger was a stunt guy (Chinese manifest), and the other was that guy who had the same name/almost identical name to the Uigher professor (Malaysian manifest).

 

[ilovepierre]

Wasn't he just replying to what ATC was saying?


12:46:51* ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero Lumpur radar Good Morning climb flight level two five zero
12:46:54* MAS370 Morning level two five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero
12:50:06 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero climb flight level three five zero
12:50:09 MAS370 Flight level three five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:01:14 MAS370 Malaysian Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero
01:01:19 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:07:55 MAS370 Malaysian...Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero
01:08:00 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:19:24 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9 Good Night
01:19:29 MAS370 Good Night Malaysian Three Seven Zero

Yes. Which is why I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary there, either.
The pilot/co-pilot was just repeating what ATC said, which is common procedure.

 

[aa9511]

All the pings, translated from UTC to Malaysian time:

#1 -- 2014/03/07 16:30:00.000 = 00:30 (am next day)
#2 -- 2014/03/07 16:43:00.000 = 00:43 am
#3 -- 2014/03/07 16:55:00.000 = 00:55 am
#4 -- 2014/03/07 17:07:00.000 = 01:07 am
#5 -- 2014/03/07 18:25:00.000 = 02:25 am
#6 -- 2014/03/07 18:27:00.000 = 02:27 am
#7 -- 2014/03/07 18:29:00.000 = 02:29 am
#8 -- 2014/03/07 19:40:00.000 = 03:40 am
#9 -- 2014/03/07 20:40:00.000 = 04:40 am
#10 -- 2014/03/07 21:40:00.000 = 05:40 am
#11 -- 2014/03/07 22:40:00.000 = 06:40 am
#12 -- 2014/03/08 00:11:00.000 = 08:11 am

(See my post a few posts above for links and such)

bbm

Thanks for this information.

What stands out to me most is the bolded - no apparent activity during all that time. Plane flying on autopilot, IMO. No turns and altitude changes and such like there was at and before the 2:29 ping.

JMO.

 

[writer7]

IDK but I am going with Inmarsat until someone else gets a crack at the same exact data that they had to work with. Because they are the only ones as of now who actually have the real data associated with 370. Others are plugging in and guessing, and IMO it is not going to give the same result as the people who have the real data to work with.

Another thing is that it was reported that Inmarsat has some other group (was it Nasa?) I guess, double-check their work.

JMO.

He is a space scientist at NASA (and other cool places), lol! But surely he can't be the first one to spot that error, can he? He doesn't have the official data, and that surely makes a huge difference, though, yeah.

 

[cluciano63]

Are they all out searching these past two days, just not seeing anything?