Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #20

[aa9511]

There were no announcements of "big news" in the Australian press today. Honestly, I think it's CNN sensationalizing and it's shocking how much they twist things. At least that's my opinion from reading here, I haven't actually watched CNN.

Ok thanks for that info.. So that rules out Australia.

It was either Malaysian officials or CNN, then. I'm afraid to say it might have been Malaysian officials, b/c I distinctly remember anchor on CNN saying, "they are saying it's going to be BIG news."

JMO.

 

[aa9511]

Just saw on news that Malaysia denied families' requests to listen to the audio of the communication from the cockpit, citing "ongoing investigation." Hmmmm.......

 

[Momoffourboys]

Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin Abu Bakar has slammed Anwar Ibrahim's claims that the government tried to suppress information related to the missing flight MH370.

Khairy countered that air force jets were not scrambled to intercept MH370 - then only an identified radar plot - because Malaysia is not at war and the civilian airliner was already on its way out of Malaysian airspace.

In addition, he said MH370 was following commercial air routes, and civilian aircraft frequently change course without being intercepted by military fighters.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/259150

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why is a Malaysian government "Youth and Sports Minister" making a statement???

:scared:

bbm

I wonder if they frequently change course without contacting ATC? Is it common for a plane to fly off course and NOT be questioned, or even, contacted by ATC?

 

[aa9511]

Aviation experts now believe the plane's final 'ping' indicated when it ran out of fuel, giving them a better idea of where it crashed.

The doomed flight's final 'ping' transmission did not definitively reveal where the plane was, but investigators now believe it indicated when MH370 ran out of fuel.

This could lead to a breakthrough in determining how fast the Boeing 777 might have been travelling, and therefore how far it did travel before it ditched.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/22...ke-offers-posssible-clue-in-search-for-mh370/

bbm

This is what I said a week ago.

Maybe they just need to read here on Websleuths and it would save them lots of time.

 

[Steely Dan]

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Looks like the search area is getting further north and closer to Australia. Oceanographers said the debris would drift on the currents in this manner, but I hope that it is still relatively close to the apparent crash area so that we can find the plane and the flight recorders.

They should cut the area into twelve squares and then roll a pair of dice to decide each days search area.

You would think that Austrailia would have spotted the plane on their radar if it went that close to Perth. That seems awfully close. Of course maps are deceiving and 900 miles is not too close. Not sure how good their radar is but that seems like they should have been aware of an approaching plane the night it disappeared.

Human nature would have them wanting to move closer and closer to take off spot. It makes you wonder if they are inadvertently making the evidence get them closer to Perth. A human nature thing.

BBM

I'm beginning to join the conspiracy theorists about the plane being stolen and landed. :banghead:

 

[Prosecution_Rests]

We are dealing with an Ocean that is in many ways like a very massive watery dumping ground.

If they cannot make out floating debris (mainly because there is so much other debris everywhere), I feel that the odds of them being able to find anything below the surface is even more remote because there has to be twice the amount of debris at the bottom of the Ocean than it is floating.

 

[aa9511]

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Looks like the search area is getting further north and closer to Australia. Oceanographers said the debris would drift on the currents in this manner, but I hope that it is still relatively close to the apparent crash area so that we can find the plane and the flight recorders.

One thing this makes me think is, what were the coordinates the person put into the autopilot? How did they pick those coordinates? I would kind of assume they would have just gone straight, away from Australia, more in line with the original search area west of Perth - if they wanted to make it hard as possible for anyone to find the plane. Why would they put coordinates in for their final destination which makes it closer to Australia?

Just makes no sense and unfortunately, I do not think this search (around the current search area) is going to find anything. It may be somewhere in the South Indian Ocean but the problem is no one knows where.

JMO.

 

[aa9511]

Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin Abu Bakar has slammed Anwar Ibrahim's claims that the government tried to suppress information related to the missing flight MH370.

Khairy countered that air force jets were not scrambled to intercept MH370 - then only an identified radar plot - because Malaysia is not at war and the civilian airliner was already on its way out of Malaysian airspace.

In addition, he said MH370 was following commercial air routes, and civilian aircraft frequently change course without being intercepted by military fighters.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/259150

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why is a Malaysian government "Youth and Sports Minister" making a statement???

:scared:

bbm

That makes sense to me though (reasons he gave).

Whoever was flying specifically followed the commercial air routes for that specific reason, IMO.

JMO.

 

[marlywings]

Most expensive aviation search: $53 million to find flight MH370

April 5, 2014

The search and investigation into missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is already the most expensive in aviation history, figures released to Fairfax Media suggest.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/most...light-mh370-20140404-36463.html#ixzz2xvVs3RqL

 

[cluciano63]

Kind of bizarre to be learning there are so many things that can't be done, even with all of the crazy technology we do have...jmo

 

[Isabelle]

Most expensive aviation search: $53 million to find flight MH370

April 5, 2014

The search and investigation into missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is already the most expensive in aviation history, figures released to Fairfax Media suggest.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/most...light-mh370-20140404-36463.html#ixzz2xvVs3RqL

It's only $. Let the governments just print more, lol.

 

[Steely Dan]

Kind of bizarre to be learning there are so many things that can't be done, even with all of the crazy technology we do have...jmo

I think big changes are on the horizon. Before this happened there was a mandate for something (I can't remember specifically) US planes have to have by 2020 that would have helped in this search. Unfortunately it won't be mandated on planes outside of the US. IIRC, it will add a cost of $13,000 to each plane.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I think big changes are on the horizon. Before this happened there was a mandate for something (I can't remember specifically) US planes have to have by 2020 that would have helped in this search. Unfortunately it won't be mandated on planes outside of the US. IIRC, it will add a cost of $13,000 to each plane.

Automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast (ADS-B) is a cooperative surveillance technology for tracking aircraft.

The United States will require the majority of aircraft operating within its airspace to be equipped with some form of ADS-B by 1 January 2020. In the EU airspace planes with a weight above 5,700 kilograms (12,600 lb) or a max cruise of over 250 knots will be required to carry ADS-B from 2017 (new planes from 2015).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_dependent_surveillance-broadcast

 

[aa9511]

Aviation experts now believe the plane's final 'ping' indicated when it ran out of fuel, giving them a better idea of where it crashed.

The doomed flight's final 'ping' transmission did not definitively reveal where the plane was, but investigators now believe it indicated when MH370 ran out of fuel.

This could lead to a breakthrough in determining how fast the Boeing 777 might have been travelling, and therefore how far it did travel before it ditched.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/22...ke-offers-posssible-clue-in-search-for-mh370/

I just had a thought:

So if they have the time when the plane ran out of fuel (partial handshake). IIUC, if no one was piloting the plane, it would have gone down close to there. If someone was piloting the plane at that time, it could have glided. But let's just say - around that area (where partial handshake happened).

So what they have to do is determine, obviously, where this partial handshake occured.

For that, they need to know things about the plane like speed and altitude and how much fuel was in the plane when it went on auto-pilot.

So, first thing:

How much fuel was in the plane at the time person put it on auto-pilot. :

What I think they should do is, get a similar 777, load it up with exact fuel amount that 370 was loaded with. Put a pilot in it, have the pilot follow the EXACT course that they think 370 took up until where they believe it made the final turn South. In other words, plot out exact route investigators believe, using all existing data points that they have. If the altitude changes are verifiable, include those altitude changes. Use whatever and all data points they have which are sound and verified.

So that course would go up northeast, turn west, follow waypoints out of Malaysian ATC.

THEN, at the precise point that the plane goes out of Malaysian ATC, after the last waypoint, CAPTURE THE MEASUREMENT OF THE AMOUNT OF FUEL LEFT.

Next,

Speed and Altitude:

Now using the amount of fuel measurement they got, take this amount, and plug it into the equation, to get the plane somewhere on the Southern arc by 8:11 and to get the fuel to run out 8 minutes after that point.

It might be that they get a few results - depending on if they plug in some different speeds and altitudes.

But at least that way you have narrowed down search area significantly - now you only have these few possible areas where the plane could be.

IDK, maybe??

 

[JerseyGirl]

Malaysia Airlines has cancelled one out of two daily flights on the Kuala Lumpur–Beijing route effective May 1, presumably due to a drop in demand for flights between China and Malaysia in the wake of the MH370 tragedy.

http://malaysiandigest.com/frontpage/29-4-tile/495849-mas-cuts-flights-to-beijing-by-half.html

 

[JerseyGirl]

Most expensive aviation search: $53 million to find flight MH370

April 5, 2014

The search and investigation into missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is already the most expensive in aviation history, figures released to Fairfax Media suggest.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/most...light-mh370-20140404-36463.html#ixzz2xvVs3RqL

HMAS Success, the Australian navy replenishment vessel that was deployed two weeks ago, costs about $550,000 a day to operate, a Defence spokesperson said.

HMAS Toowoomba was diverted a week ago to join the hunt for MH370 and has direct costs - fuel, supplies, crew wages - of $380,000 per day.

The daily cost of the aircraft flying 10-hour sorties each day would easily amount to $1 million a day.

Over four weeks, a conservative estimate of the cost of the airborne search - excluding the US planes - would be $25 million so far.

Known costs for the airborne search total an estimated $53 million. Yet this would be a small fraction of the expenditure so far given 26 nations have been involved in the search. More than 40 navy vessels have been involved. China has deployed seven vessels in the Indian Ocean alone.

Then there is the cost of the intelligence analysts, police and air crash investigators from Malaysia, the US, Britain and France, among others.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/c...ion-history-20140404-36479.html#ixzz2xvczZSlS

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Whale of a Problem: Hunt for Black Box Hampered By Sea Life

Ships scoured the Indian Ocean on Friday for the faint black-box signals of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, but they ran into a problem: Whales and other sea life may be interfering with the search.

Two ships, one using special equipment from the U.S. Navy, searched a 150-mile expanse of ocean, hoping to pick up sonic pings from the jet’s data recorders. Experts say those pings will stop any day now, further complicating the search...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/whale-problem-hunt-black-box-hampered-sea-life-n71526

 

[time]

Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin Abu Bakar has slammed Anwar Ibrahim's claims that the government tried to suppress information related to the missing flight MH370.

Khairy countered that air force jets were not scrambled to intercept MH370 - then only an identified radar plot - because Malaysia is not at war and the civilian airliner was already on its way out of Malaysian airspace.

In addition, he said MH370 was following commercial air routes, and civilian aircraft frequently change course without being intercepted by military fighters.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/259150

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why is a Malaysian government "Youth and Sports Minister" making a statement???

:scared:

bbm

Uhm, scratching my head on that also. Instead of making excuses for why jets weren't scrambled, why don't they talk about their lack of coordination in various govt entities or at least with the airline/air traffic control. How long does it take to confirm whether the plane is supposed to be there or not and why not scramble to track it in the mean time. Why would you think just because you are not at 'war' and so on.

He seems to be married to the daughter of a former Prime Minister and head of UMNO youth, political party.... so it's political.

 

[Gerontion]

What if.........the Captain tried for a soft landing on the surface ...... but crashed into all the garbage and debris? j/k

 

[gregjrichards]

WARNING ALERT - No Malaysian press conference or statement today according to journalist's twitter account

Faizal ‏@f4izalhassan 4h

There wil be NO press conference and NO statement for #MH370 today.

NO Malaysian press conferences after April 7th it will be email statements only after this date according to several mainstream media twitter accounts.

The Malaysian Times ‏@TMalaysianTimes Apr 3

MH370: Media centre at PWTC shuts down effective Apr 8 http://www.themalaysiantimes.com.my/mh370-media-centre-at-pwtc-shuts-down-effective-apr-8/ …

I will update you all when I know if there is going to be an Australian press conference today and what time it is.

Thank you everyone for continuing to post links to articles, maps and your comments about developments. It is great that so many people here care about what happened to the people who were on MH370 and how it happened. Have a good weekend everyone.