Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #23

[MummaP]

Not to add to conspiracy theories, and not that I think this happened, but
what if someone just tossed beeping flight recorders and/ or debris in strategic places?
What if the purpose was to " corral " all important search boats and other high tech equipment and personnel into one spot, perhaps leaving other areas more vulnerable?

This has also been on my mind since the pings were "randomly" picked up...

I also am beginning to wonder if it has landed and major hostage negotiations are on-going. No super power is going to give a terrorist air time by admitting that, as dependant on where the aircraft (theoretically) landed, could cause a bit of a stramash...

Someone further above quoted 3 links with 3 countries - they won't want it to be known if they have something as big as this parked on their land?

Not tin foil hatting - just thinking out loud.

(In my pyjamas & tin foil just doesn't co-ordinate with them)

 

[JaimeInLA]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/24/world/asia/malaysia-pm-interview/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Just when I think it can't get weirder. The Malaysian PM says he can't declare the passengers dead, nor the plane lost. Um..... ?!?!

 

[aa9511]

It is perplexing how these so called experts are conveying information that one can really question.

Another point or clue that should be investigated is the phone calls made a few days later.

The families in China were making calls to the passenger and they were receiving ring back. The experts stated that the calls were not true ring back but only courtesy ring back which is possible but not necessarily accurate.

Cell phones have a system called Home Location Register (HLR) and Visitor Location Register (VLR) these systems keep track of where you are located. When you travel into a new area and power up your phone, your phone tries to locate a compatible network. That network will look at your phone and register it with the HLR or VLR depending if you are roaming or a local customer. It then notifies your carrier that you are on their network (known as roaming) and if anyone calls your number locally your carrier will forward your call to the VLR of that carrier that registered your phone.

What the investigators should have done was to verify if the local families in Malaysia got ring back when they called. This is important because a local call verses a long distant call from China does not have to transverse through networks.

If the plane crashed the saltwater would have destroyed the phone immediately (unless it was water proof). If a phone was off or disable calls would be sent a recording that the subscriber is not available. You can see this when ever you go into Airplane mode, those call do not ring they are send to voice mail or recording.

If a family member in Malaysia called their passenger and got a ring back chances are that phone was operable. The question would have been from what cell tower did the call ping from.

Call that were made to the local VLR can be questionable but calls that were made to the HLR means that the system still had the phone registered in its local area and the phone was available.

Cell phone technology is not that primitive where it gives back erroneous ring back in its local network.

As I look at the news clips I cant believe how these experts believed that the cockpit caught fire and all this speculation. It pretty much threw everyone off.

It will be interesting to see the outcome.

Wow you are very knowledgeable of cell phones!

 

[SouthAussie]

Why can't the public see the pictures of the debris?? I think they should release them...what could it hurt?

Here you go, Mom who cares. MSM have released photos.

"It looked pretty distinctly like a piece of aircraft. I didn't want to raise any alarms, I just wanted to get an opinion," he said.
Mr Franklin decided to get advice from the Busselton Aero Club on Wednesday who then passed it on the Busselton police.

"I still believe it is a piece of aircraft because they won't give it back to me."

http://www.smh.com.au/national/mh37...ts-released-20140424-377dg.html#ixzz2zqRTHwJe

 

[aa9511]

It is perplexing how these so called experts are conveying information that one can really question.

Another point or clue that should be investigated is the phone calls made a few days later.

The families in China were making calls to the passenger and they were receiving ring back. The experts stated that the calls were not true ring back but only courtesy ring back which is possible but not necessarily accurate.

Cell phones have a system called Home Location Register (HLR) and Visitor Location Register (VLR) these systems keep track of where you are located. When you travel into a new area and power up your phone, your phone tries to locate a compatible network. That network will look at your phone and register it with the HLR or VLR depending if you are roaming or a local customer. It then notifies your carrier that you are on their network (known as roaming) and if anyone calls your number locally your carrier will forward your call to the VLR of that carrier that registered your phone.

What the investigators should have done was to verify if the local families in Malaysia got ring back when they called. This is important because a local call verses a long distant call from China does not have to transverse through networks.

If the plane crashed the saltwater would have destroyed the phone immediately (unless it was water proof). If a phone was off or disable calls would be sent a recording that the subscriber is not available. You can see this when ever you go into Airplane mode, those call do not ring they are send to voice mail or recording.

If a family member in Malaysia called their passenger and got a ring back chances are that phone was operable. The question would have been from what cell tower did the call ping from.

Call that were made to the local VLR can be questionable but calls that were made to the HLR means that the system still had the phone registered in its local area and the phone was available.

Cell phone technology is not that primitive where it gives back erroneous ring back in its local network.

As I look at the news clips I cant believe how these experts believed that the cockpit caught fire and all this speculation. It pretty much threw everyone off.

It will be interesting to see the outcome.

Wow you are very knowledgeable of cell phones!

Whenever I have called someone on a plane who has their phone on flight mode, I have never once received a "call back" or whatever the term is. I would have remembered if I ever had, b/c it is a very strange thing to think of. That their phone will just call you without the person intentionally making the call. I would have remembered something like that.

Like you, I also have many questions regarding what they have found while investigating cell phone records. It's strange to me that they have not said one thing about cell phones, except for the co-pilot phone.

If there was not connection from any of passengers' phones, why don't the officals say that? Why don't they say, we have investigated all of the passengers' cell phone records through their phone companies, and no passenger phone made any connection.

IIRC, they haven't said anything either way. They're just stayed silent on the whole matter, even though I imagine the cell phone information would be important either way.


JMO.

 

[aa9511]

Here you go, Mom who cares. They have released photos.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/mh37...sing-plane-parts-released-20140424-377dg.html

That's a hunky daddy (or brother?)!

 

[SouthAussie]

That's a hunky daddy (or brother?)!

Yeah ... we try to make 'em hunky here. :floorlaugh:


(Now, don't any of you smart-alecs post pics of any un-hunky Aussie men!! :hand: )

 

[aa9511]

Yeah ... we try to make 'em hunky here. :floorlaugh:


(Now, don't any of you smart-alecs post pics of any un-hunky Aussie men!! :hand: )

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: LOL!!!!

Phreowr! (is that you do spell that sound?!) I'm gonna have to make me a visit to Australia sometime soon....perhaps I will take a solo trip and leave the family behind..........:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[ilovepierre]

Here you go, Mom who cares. MSM have released photos.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/mh37...ts-released-20140424-377dg.html#ixzz2zqRTHwJe

IMO, that looks like a piece from the plane.
But what do I know. I'm not a professional.
Too bad there wasn't any colors on it identify it easier. Like red or blue (the colors of MA)
:dunno:

 

[CARIIS]

(Now, don't any of you smart-alecs post pics of any un-hunky Aussie men!! )

Thats funny !!

 

[CARIIS]

yea !
I also am beginning to wonder if it has landed and major hostage negotiations are on-going.

This has also been on my mind since the pings were "randomly" picked up...

I also am beginning to wonder if it has landed and major hostage negotiations are on-going. No super power is going to give a terrorist air time by admitting that, as dependant on where the aircraft (theoretically) landed, could cause a bit of a stramash...

Someone further above quoted 3 links with 3 countries - they won't want it to be known if they have something as big as this parked on their land?

Not tin foil hatting - just thinking out loud.

(In my pyjamas & tin foil just doesn't co-ordinate with them)

 

[SouthAussie]

Today is a very special day for us Aussies – 25th April - ANZAC Day.

It is a day where dawn services are held throughout the country, in remembrance of all the diggers who stood tall for our country during WWI …. and at other times of combat … and who still stand tall for our country.

This includes the service people who are on the ready now to help in any way they can, including those that are helping in the search for MH370.

This year it is the 99th anniversary.

"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them."

Lest We Forget


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-25/your-pics-australians-gather-for-anzac-day-2014/5410938

 

[Intermezzo]

Here you go, Mom who cares. MSM have released photos.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/mh37...ts-released-20140424-377dg.html#ixzz2zqRTHwJe

Remember a few weeks ago a fishing vessel located in the South Indian Ocean sent out a distress call
Search Planes went out and when they arrived at the ships location only found debris, no life raft or people in the water

Could this be debris from that ship coming ashore now?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-01/tanzanian-fishing-vessel-search-called-off/5359042

 

[Intermezzo]

Today is a very special day for us Aussies – 25th April - ANZAC Day.

It is a day where dawn services are held throughout the country, in remembrance of all the diggers who stood tall for our country during WWI …. and at other times of combat … and who still stand tall for our country.

This includes the service people who are on the ready now to help in any way they can, including those that are helping in the search for MH370.

This year it is the 99th anniversary.

"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them."

Lest We Forget


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-25/your-pics-australians-gather-for-anzac-day-2014/5410938

Is this like our November 11?
Remembrance Day in Canada
Veterans Day in the US

 

[CARIIS]

HOwever, cloaking and blocking are two different technologies. FreeScale just finihed up blocking tech, cloaking been around for years.




Tutorials/Cloaking and Radar Jamming

Cloaking is a power-intensive block.

An operational, non-fictional cloaking device might be an extension of the basic technologies used by stealth aircraft, such as radar-absorbing dark paint, optical camouflage, cooling the outer surface to minimize electromagnetic emissions (usually infrared), or other techniques to minimize other EM emissions, and to minimize particle emissions from the object. The use of certain devices to jam and confuse remote sensing devices would greatly aid in this process, but are more properly referred to as "active camouflage". Alternatively, metamaterials provide the theoretical possibility of making electromagnetic radiation pass freely around the 'cloaked' object,

I have only been referring to new blocking tech (Freescale).

There is a difference between the two:
See video Stealth Ship Tutorial

http://www.starmadewiki.com/wiki/Tutorials/Cloaking_and_Radar_Jamming



Cloaking device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bbm


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http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nati...e-to-hide-plane-with-electronic-warfare-tech/

"PETALING JAYA: It is “impossible” for the MH370 aircraft to be hidden from radar using electronic warfare technology, said an electromagnetics expert.

University of Toronto researcher Dr George Eleftheriades, an expert in cloaking technology, explained that the technology was still in its infancy and thus not easily available.

“This invisibility technology is still in the laboratory stage and not readily available. Moreover, it would seem impossible to fit the airplane with such a cloak while in flight.

“Therefore, I firmly believe such a possibility is out of the question in explaining the disappearance of the plane,” he said."

 

[Amee]

Today is a very special day for us Aussies – 25th April - ANZAC Day.

It is a day where dawn services are held throughout the country, in remembrance of all the diggers who stood tall for our country during WWI …. and at other times of combat … and who still stand tall for our country.

This includes the service people who are on the ready now to help in any way they can, including those that are helping in the search for MH370.

This year it is the 99th anniversary.

"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them."

Lest We Forget


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-25/your-pics-australians-gather-for-anzac-day-2014/5410938

Past, present and fallen, we appreciate your sacrifice and bravery, your service for our freedom. Lest we forget.

 

[SouthAussie]

Is this like our November 11?
Remembrance Day in Canada
Veterans Day in the US

No ... we have Remembrance Day on 11th November too ... with 2mins silence at 11am to contemplate and remember.

ANZAC Day is even more special somehow. Thousands of Aussies travel to Gallipoli (Turkey) where we lost many, many diggers in WW1. And thousands of Aussies, young and old, turned out at dawn services this morning in every town and city - many bearing the medals of their family members - to honour our service people. There are a lot of tears, a lot of lumps-in-the-throat, and a lot of great pride on this day.

 

[CARIIS]

visuallize debris floating down, it actually gets slower and more gentle as it floats down ....like dream! the stuff at the bottom I do not think would make any difference!

I do believe it is deep in the S. Indian ocean, but i'd like to see debris.

Then again, if the bottom is silt, the debris could be buried in there.

Are they sending the ROV down?

 

[CARIIS]

Great a bunch of people who have been so chronically dishonest are going to pick a bunch of people to undo their misinformation from the beginning if they want so much transpacracny let other countries CHOSE who this panel will be . The way it is is like a bunch of bank robbers reviewing CCTV of thier robbery ludicrious another waste of resources and a new appartus to release misguided information , on purpose, to historically hide all their misinformation

Malaysian authorities last night announced that an international investigation team, comprising experts from all around the world, will be set up to investigate the unprecedented missing plane.

Mr Hussein said the team would look at three aspects — operational, human and medical — but would not address criminal aspects which are being handled by the Malaysian police.

Members of the team will be announced next week. Mr Hussein said the team would work under terms of reference to be drafted by the Ministry of Transport.

And Mr Hussein also vowed that the search for the plane would continue.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/se...-keep-on-looking/story-fniztvne-1226892871899

 

[QueenD]

Breaking news ( so CNN says)

Exclusive interview with Malaysian pm on missing plane.

Just clips and then they are talking about it.