Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #24

[ElleElle]

I have a feeling it will be found essentially intact (like the Titanic).

Ok.. I have the image in my wild mind, but how?

A 777 cannot just glide in to water, unless it's a miracle, IMO.

I guess it would explain why the ELT's went off.

I have a feeling it will be found essentially intact (like the Titanic).

 

[ElleElle]

If you pull the battery while the phone is on (if you have an iPhone, you are unable to test this) the phone will be off with no power BUT will not be able to send signal to the network that your phone is no longer aavailable. So when you call your cell phone it will continue to ring as if it was on and connected.

Ok.. sorry, but I don't think I understand.

I do have an iPhone (unfortunately), and went I set it to "Airplane mode", and call it, again, it immediately goes into voicemail.

 

[2rose]

11 June 2014 Australia chooses firm to map sea floor in MH370 search

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau chose a subsidiary of Dutch multinational Fugro to perform the detailed underwater mapping necessary before that phase can begin.

The Fugro "Equator" has been in the Indian Ocean since the weekend, however public satellite tracking of the ship has been turned off since 10 June 2014 (when the ship was in Bali).

 

[2rose]

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27870467

16 June 2014 Malaysian MH370: Inmarsat confident on crash 'hotspot'

The UK satellite company Inmarsat has told the BBC that the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet has yet to go to the area its scientists think is the plane's most likely crash site.

Inmarsat's communications with the aircraft are seen as the best clues to the whereabouts of Flight MH370.

When the search resumes, the Inmarsat "hotspot" will be a key focus.
But so too will a number of areas being fed into the investigation by other groups.

The BBC's Horizon TV programme has been given significant access to the telecommunications experts at Inmarsat

An Australian naval vessel was sent to investigate the region west of Perth, and followed up leads as they emerged.

But as Horizon reports, the Ocean Shield ship never got to the Inmarsat hotspot because it picked up sonar detections some distance away that it thought were coming from the jet's submerged flight recorders.

BBC Horizon: "Where is Flight MH370?" will be broadcast on BBC Two @21:00 BST on Tuesday
& will be available on the iPlayer thereafter.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Missing MH370: Robo-Sub Hasn't Scoured Potential 'Hot Spot'

By Alexander Smith

LONDON - The main ship charged with finding Flight MH370 has still not yet looked in the area of ocean where the jet likely crashed, according to satellite experts.

The Australian vessel Ocean Shield has been towing the U.S. Navy-owned Bluefin-21, a robotic submarine designed to listen to pings from a jet's black-box recorder...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-sub-hasnt-scoured-potential-hot-spot-n132876

 

[Mr. Noatak]

Missing MH370: Robo-Sub Hasn't Scoured Potential 'Hot Spot'

By Alexander Smith

LONDON - The main ship charged with finding Flight MH370 has still not yet looked in the area of ocean where the jet likely crashed, according to satellite experts.

The Australian vessel Ocean Shield has been towing the U.S. Navy-owned Bluefin-21, a robotic submarine designed to listen to pings from a jet's black-box recorder...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-sub-hasnt-scoured-potential-hot-spot-n132876

My opinions only, no facts here:

There is something wrong with these latest stories. The error margin of the Inmarsat data is said to be "100 miles". And remember, even modest errors in assumptions of the plane's velocity could greatly increase the known inaccuracy. I'll be optimistic and say that the velocity estimates are spot-on and that the arc-parallel error is 100 miles and the arc-normal error is 50 miles. That is 5000 square miles to look in. Why is an area of this huge size now being described with euphemisms such as "the "crash hotspot" or the area of "highest probability?

These latest reports are like another carrot on the stick for us to follow. The stories subtly hint at a bullseye target, when the facts point to a daunting search area.

I recognize that the powers-that-be may know exactly where it crashed. But since that information has not been shared with us, I am just going with the Inmarsat model in this post.

 

[2rose]

BBC Horizon: "Where is Flight MH370?" will be broadcast on BBC Two @21:00 BST on Tuesday
will be available on the iPlayer thereafter.

Here is the documentary video ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpfYvGWt8qo

 

[SouthAussie]

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27870467


BBC Horizon: "Where is Flight MH370?" will be broadcast on BBC Two @21:00 BST on Tuesday
& will be available on the iPlayer thereafter.

When I look at this chart, in the BBC link, of the ocean floor in the search area, I realise how very small MH370 would be (the length of one of those dotted lines depicting the search area is about 400 miles/600 km. MH370 is/was about 209 feet/64 metres long).

And I realise that they couldn't have even scanned to the greatest depths in the search area .. as Bluefin couldn't go much past 4,000 ft .. and all the light blue and purple zones are much deeper than that.

It just seems like an impossible task finding wreckage in a topography like that. Underwater mountains, valleys, crevasses .......

 

[ilovepierre]

If MH370 is in that area, it may never be found. So many mountains and crevasses that the plane could be by/in.

 

[ilovepierre]

Ok.. I have the image in my wild mind, but how?

A 777 cannot just glide in to water, unless it's a miracle, IMO.

I guess it would explain why the ELT's went off.

What if the plane was flying low enough that when it hit the water, it just sank?
I don't know, really. I'm just grasping at straws at this point.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

New Flight MH370 Search Area to Be Announced by End of June

Investigators hunting for the wreckage of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 will announce a new search zone within two weeks, authorities said Wednesday.

The new area in the hunt for the Boeing 777 “will be confirmed before the end of June, after completion of extensive collaborative analysis by a range of specialists,” Australia’s Joint Agency Coordination Center said in a statement...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...370-search-area-be-announced-end-june-n134306

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Outside group tells governments where to search for Flight 370

By Mike Ahlers, CNN

updated 7:37 AM EDT, Wed June 18, 2014

Washington (CNN) -- The doubters have spoken.

A group of independent experts -- who prodded authorities to release satellite data on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 -- says it thinks it knows the approximate location of the missing aircraft.

Five separate computer models all place the plane in a tight cluster of spots in the south Indian Ocean — hundreds of miles southwest of the previous search site.

"We recommend that the search for MH370 be focused in this area," the group said in a statement late Tuesday.

"While there remain a number of uncertainties and some disagreements as to the interpretation of aspects of the data, our best estimates of a location of the aircraft (is) near 36.02 South 88.57 East," according to the statement, which was approved by 10 named experts...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/18/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[khaki]

been reading along since the beginning...thanks to all for all the insight and dedication.....had a wild thought.....what if ISIS took the plane, and the powers that be know they did and are orchestrating this sham of a search effort to trick them? call me crazy, but at this point, anything seems possible

 

[ilovepierre]

been reading along since the beginning...thanks to all for all the insight and dedication.....had a wild thought.....what if ISIS took the plane, and the powers that be know they did and are orchestrating this sham of a search effort to trick them? call me crazy, but at this point, anything seems possible

What's ISIS?
And IMO, I don't think this plane's disappearance is any sort of sham or conspiracy.

 

[Nymeria]

What's ISIS?
And IMO, I don't think this plane's disappearance is any sort of sham or conspiracy.

ISIS is a terrorist group so awful that Al Qaeda has denounced them.
They are also at the moment wreaking havoc in Iraq.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_in_Iraq_and_the_Levant"]Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[khaki]

ISIS stands for Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. They are causing all the trouble in Iraq these last few days and this organization is considered by some to be worse than Al-Qaeda.

 

[khaki]

...and as far as I understand, ISIS recruits heavily in Malaysia

 

[ilovepierre]

Thanks!
But IMO, I don't think they are involved. I DID think terrorism earlier on, but not anymore. But my opinion does change weekly.

 

[pocoloco]

Ok.. sorry, but I don't think I understand.

I do have an iPhone (unfortunately), and went I set it to "Airplane mode", and call it, again, it immediately goes into voicemail.

This is from one of my older posts.

When the cell phone is turned on, it connects to the network and basically says hello network, i'm this phone and i'm connected. Some would call it a handshake, ping, or acknowledgement. Which is why the police and authorities are able to ping your cell phone and pull a GPS coordinates to find out where you are.
Now when you turn your cell phone off, it sends another message, basically saying i'm leaving the network and will no long be on to accept calls. So there will be no more ringing.
If you happen to pull your battery out or the battery dies, the phone has no time to send that goodbye message, and the network will assume the phone is still on and just not in network range, temporary signal loss, and to someone who is trying to call you, they will think you are ignoring their calls. Which is why the families still heard their loved ones phone ring when they called.
When you place the phone in "Airplan Mode" it is turning off the Antennas and any outgoing signal. At the same time it is telling the network that it is no longer available to receive calls, which is why I say it is not posisble to test this from an iPhone.

 

[Hatfield]

Outside group tells governments where to search for Flight 370

By Mike Ahlers, CNN

updated 7:37 AM EDT, Wed June 18, 2014

Washington (CNN) -- The doubters have spoken.

A group of independent experts -- who prodded authorities to release satellite data on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 -- says it thinks it knows the approximate location of the missing aircraft.

Five separate computer models all place the plane in a tight cluster of spots in the south Indian Ocean — hundreds of miles southwest of the previous search site.

"We recommend that the search for MH370 be focused in this area," the group said in a statement late Tuesday.

"While there remain a number of uncertainties and some disagreements as to the interpretation of aspects of the data, our best estimates of a location of the aircraft (is) near 36.02 South 88.57 East," according to the statement, which was approved by 10 named experts...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/18/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Its probably worth sending a 2nd sonar search device like the Bluefin over there to try to see if they spot anything.

It amazes me to this day how they put all their eggs in that 1 basket near Perth and did not search multiple locations at the same time. They sure felt so confident they had the right spot that they ignored all other possibilities and other areas.

They should have released the satellite data immediately to independent groups to allow others to form an opinion of where the plane went down. If they would have done that early on while the pingers were still sounding then they would have been able to use pinger locators in any other areas that other groups determined the plane to be. They could have had mutliple searches going on at the same time.

Now they are left with only being able to find it using a sonar device like the Bluefin which is much harder than using a pinger locator.

Its looking very grim for ever finding the plane although I hope they never give up looking for it.