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"Above all, we still demand the release of the raw data," Wang said. "Experts from around the world may help us find our loved ones based on the data."

ttp://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1508716/flight-mh370-relatives-refuse-give-search-loved-ones
 
BBM

Yes, I believe the reports from the French involved in the Air France case stated the ping was received as a 34 kHz sound wave.

My opinions only, no facts here:

I have searched far-and-wide but have not yet located a single scientific article that verifies the 34 khz claim for the Air France black boxes in the Atlantic. Could this be a myth? Can anybody here give me a link to a scientific article (many such articles have been written about this accident) that verifies the claims of 34 khz transmissions from the black boxes?
 
I have searched far-and-wide but have not yet located a single scientific article that verifies the 34 khz claim for the Air France black boxes in the Atlantic

The manufacturer & Houston would seem to believe it ...

"Air Chief Marshal Houston said Tuesday that advice from the manufacturer of the missing jet's black boxes suggested the signals detected this past weekend, which occurred at a frequency of 33.2 kHz, were credible. The locator beacons in the black boxes of Air France Flight 447, which crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, were designed to emit signals at a frequency of 34 kHz, he said"

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB30001424052702304819004579488281543461374

This next aritcle identifies a Dr. David Gallo as an oceanographer who helped in that search ...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/06/mh370-search-continues-after-black-box-ping-claim

So try searching his company website ...

http://www.whoi.edu/main/topic/airfrance-flight447?tid=3902&cid=422&c=9&type=4

They have a Data & Repositories search feature here ...
http://www.whoi.edu/data/

They also give a contact email for info ...
http://www.whoi.edu/main/contact-us
 
"Above all, we still demand the release of the raw data," Wang said. "Experts from around the world may help us find our loved ones based on the data."

ttp://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1508716/flight-mh370-relatives-refuse-give-search-loved-ones

I really feel for the families in that regard.

I doubt they will ever see a packaged release of any data. It might even be a contravention of law to release it outside of the investigation.

I too have some issues with the data(the Immarsat BFO) and other info(military), likely because we haven't been given enough detail for it to be vetted and quite frankly probably shouldn't be privy to it until a final report is released.

When I read the US patents that deal with AES, Satellite, and GES doppler shift, it doesn't seem to quite jive with what Immarsat is publishing, however I give them the benefit of doubt as they are the patent owners and I may be misinterpreting their technical jargon.
 
hummm...why would she get death threats? Strange.

Why would Sarah Bajc get death threats? I wonder if it is connected to MH370. I wonder if other family members got death threats.
 
Why the Official Explanation of MH370’s Demise Doesn’t Hold Up
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...ation-of-mh370s-demise-doesnt-hold-up/361826/

Investigators searching for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight were ebullient when they detected what sounded like signals from the plane’s black boxes. This was a month ago, and it seemed just a matter of time before the plane was finally discovered.

But now the search of 154 square miles of ocean floor around the signals has concluded with no trace of wreckage found. Pessimism is growing as to whether those signals actually had anything to do with Flight 370. If they didn’t, the search area would return to a size of tens of thousands of square miles.

Even before the black-box search turned up empty, observers had begun to raise doubts about whether searchers were looking in the right place. Authorities have treated the conclusion that the plane crashed in the ocean west of Australia as definitive, owing to a much-vaunted mathematical analysis of satellite signals sent by the plane. But scientists and engineers outside of the investigation have been working to verify that analysis, and many say that it just doesn’t hold up.

I am still not even sure if MH370 even ended up in the South Indian Ocean since no debris has been found.

I saw a map at the NBC News link by BetteDavisEyes and it looks like it went over Indonesia. I wonder if Indonesian air traffic control detected that airplane.
 
Why the Official Explanation of MH370’s Demise Doesn’t Hold Up
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...ation-of-mh370s-demise-doesnt-hold-up/361826/



I am still not even sure if MH370 even ended up in the South Indian Ocean since no debris has been found.

I saw a map at the NBC News link by BetteDavisEyes and it looks like it went over Indonesia.
I wonder if Indonesian air traffic control detected that airplane.

BBM.
I wonder that too...

Indonesia Air Traffic Control would not have detected the plane..the Transponder was turned off and Indonesia Military have said they did not detect it on military radar
 
Why would Sarah Bajc get death threats? I wonder if it is connected to MH370. I wonder if other family members got death threats.

Seems weird. Did not feel she was genuine but cannot imagine why she would get death threats. Wonder too if any other family members got them. Awful.
 
The manufacturer & Houston would seem to believe it ...

"Air Chief Marshal Houston said Tuesday that advice from the manufacturer of the missing jet's black boxes suggested the signals detected this past weekend, which occurred at a frequency of 33.2 kHz, were credible. The locator beacons in the black boxes of Air France Flight 447, which crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, were designed to emit signals at a frequency of 34 kHz, he said"

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB30001424052702304819004579488281543461374

This next aritcle identifies a Dr. David Gallo as an oceanographer who helped in that search ...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/06/mh370-search-continues-after-black-box-ping-claim

So try searching his company website ...

http://www.whoi.edu/main/topic/airfrance-flight447?tid=3902&cid=422&c=9&type=4

They have a Data & Repositories search feature here ...
http://www.whoi.edu/data/

They also give a contact email for info ...
http://www.whoi.edu/main/contact-us

My opinions only, no facts here:

Well, the claimed 34 khz signal from the black boxes of AF 447 must be some sort of myth because pings from its black boxes were never detected!! We know AF 447 had black boxes that transmitted at a standard frequency:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...air-france-flight-447s-black-box-how-it-works

"Both units were equipped with underwater locator beacons that transmitted at 37.5 kHz for over 30 days before the signal faded."


The problem is, no pings were detected during the search (at least not officially).
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http://www.grangier.fr/news/journal-2009-06-23.txt

"French military ships searching for the black boxes of Flight 447 have detected sounds in the Atlantic depths but they are not from the Air France plane's flight recorders, a French official said Tuesday.The official and French investigators denied a report on the website of the French newspaper Le Monde that French ships had picked up a signal from the black boxes."
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https://www.informs.org/ORMS-Today/...8-Number-4/In-Search-of-Air-France-Flight-447

According to this scientific study, the signals from the black boxes of AF 447 were NOT detected during the official search.

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www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol.af.447/metron.search.analysis.pdf

"A French submarine as well as French and American research teams searched
acoustically for the Underwater Locator Beacons (ULBs, or “pingers”) on each of the two flight recorder’s “black boxes” for 30 days from 10 June to 10 July 2009 with no results."
 
My opinions only, no facts here:

Well, the claimed 34 khz signal from the black boxes of AF 447 must be some sort of myth because pings from its black boxes were never detected!! We know AF 447 had black boxes that transmitted at a standard frequency:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...air-france-flight-447s-black-box-how-it-works

"Both units were equipped with underwater locator beacons that transmitted at 37.5 kHz for over 30 days before the signal faded."


The problem is, no pings were detected during the search (at least not officially).

RSBM

This article says that the beacons from the black boxes were tested after they were recovered, and that is when one of them was found to be pinging at 34kHz.

"A beacon recovered from Air France Flight 447, the jet that crashed in the South Atlantic in 2009, and then tested was found to have shifted frequency, transmitting at 34 kilohertz, Patel said."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-09/plane-hunt-fails-to-replicate-signal-as-search-narrows.html
 
Why would Sarah Bajc get death threats? I wonder if it is connected to MH370. I wonder if other family members got death threats.

Sarah Bajc is in Beijing & has been very vocal in the American media.
China has a very different culture than that of North America -
China's is much more authoritative & does not respond well to questioning, criticism, rebels, etc.
Neither do they adhere to North American policies of free speech, equality, feminism, etc.
She is really the only American presence involved, so if her voice is removed,
CNN has more difficulty getting interviews.
Those in power might be trying to silence Bajc through intimidation tactics.
Or it could be a lone stalker type who still thinks that it is a woman's place
to be in silent servitude & not in the centre of a major public controversy.
Or someone who thinks they will get some fame of their own if they can get
close to someone who is famous ... like Chapman who killed John Lennon.
 
According to MSM seems threats started already 2 weeks after the flight went missing March 8.
Had Sarah Bjac been in public attention that much already in the beginning of the search for MH370?
Why would somebody want to hurt a family-member of a passenger — haven't they suffered enough?
It's just horrible and very sad for a family-member missing their loved ones from MH 370 flight,
makes wonder if any other family-members than Sarah Bjac have experienced something similar ?
Support and Respect to the MH370 family-members! :candle:



Apr 22, 2014 - Bajc said she was shocked to receive an email from a senior Fox executive who offered to
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...ells-of-strange-email-from-sacked-fox-officer
" Sarah Bajc, whose partner Philip Wood is among the 239 people on board the missing plane, told the Sydney Morning Herald (SMH) that she
had replied an email from Darlene Tipton, vice-president of Fox's standards and practices department, who offered to raise millions of
dollars to help her.
Tipton then responded by saying that her husband had visions that the 239 passengers were alive, and said they would reveal their
whereabouts and go ahead with a fundraiser for the affected families if Bajc agreed to waive any future compensation claims."
" It was then that a shocked Bajc alerted Fox, who promptly gave Tipton the sack after 24 years of service with the network.
Tipton had defended her action, saying she had offered to help in good faith.
“I’ve lost my job, I can’t collect unemployment. I have no insurance. What is wrong with trying to help people?”
the 61-year-old was quoted by SMH"


"Since the plane's disappearance she has become perhaps the most prominent American spokesperson for family and friends of those
gone missing, appearing on numerous national television broadcasts and being profiled for an upcoming People magazine feature, always
holding out hope that Wood and the other passengers are still alive, somewhere."
"I still believe they'll be found," she told The Daily Mining Gazette
"Bajc was born Sarah Hamil in Utah, and moved to Houghton as a small child. She said that she attended Houghton schools through eighth
grade before moving to Escanaba and graduating there. As an adult, she worked as a CEO before switching careers to teaching. "
http://www.mininggazette.com/page/c...ner-was-on-Malaysian-flight-370.html?nav=5006


Published May 11, 2014
"Sarah Bajc said she has also been robbed twice. Following the incidents, the FBI was called in but neither the agency nor
she have been able to explain how the series of frightening incidents are linked to her partner Philip Wood, who went missing on the plane."
"she got an instant message warning that "I'm going to come and kill you next" about two weeks after MH370 disappeared on March 8."
"Bajc received the bizarre call reportedly from a China-based number"
"phone calls and messages started after her apartment was robbed for the first time, two weeks after MH370 officially went missing."
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ing-death-threats-fbi-called-in/1/360182.html
 
If only MH370 had this flight tracking system, which is being installed by First Air in Canada

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...st-air-in-canada/story-e6frfq80-1226913367388

I'd love to edit one of the lines in that report to read...

At a cost of up to $100,000 to buy and install an AFIRS box and antenna per aircraft, it’s not cheap. But keep in mind that a single business class seat can cost this much. certain CEO of a worldwide airline earns close to $100,000 per week. It’s a small price to pay for safety.

Absolutely disgusting....the technology has been available for two & half years & owners/CEO's of major world airlines haven't gotten around to spending that money on those who pay their wages.
 
Wasn't Mr. Wood the subject of a rumor that he was being held by Americans, along with the other passengers? Is it possible that someone in China believed this rumor was true? Rumors can cause a lot of damage to innocent people. jmo
 
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