Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #5

[Softail]

Right! This plane did not have wifi. But, if it did veer off over Kota Bharu at a lower altitude near that huge cell tower, there could be data from it. :twocents:

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I've got about 6 minutes to catch up on thread 5.
Anything happened??

 

[dotr]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-questions/
"What is a transponder?

It's a radio transmitter in the cockpit that works with ground radar. When it receives a radar signal, it returns a code with the aircraft's position, altitude and call sign. Air traffic controllers use the signals to determine a plane's speed and direction.

Why did it stop working?

That's one of many million-dollar questions. The transponder is situated between the pilots and can be disabled with a twist of the wrist, but former airline captain Mark Weiss said that because of the vital information -- and thus, protection -- the transponder provides, it's highly unlikely a pilot would turn it off. Without the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder, it's difficult to say who was in the cockpit and exactly what happened, Weiss said. Experts also give conflicting opinions: While one expert says the circumstances point to someone -- perhaps a hijacker -- deliberately turning the plane around, another says a catastrophic power failure could explain the anomalies".

bbm.

 

[belimom]

Malaysia knew this way before now. Remember how they diverted their search to the west very early, and even up that way to the Andaman Sea, while leaving the rest of the world to search in the South China Sea for days?



bbm

Exclusive: Radar data suggests missing Malaysia plane deliberately flown way off course - sources

....Exclusive: Radar data suggests missing Malaysia plane deliberately flown way off course - sources said.

The last plot on the military radar's tracking suggested the plane was flying toward India's Andaman Islands, a chain of isles between the Andaman Sea and the Bay of Bengal, they said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-malaysia-airlines-radar-exclusive-idUSBREA2D0DG20140314

#MH370 This is latest and most accurate flight path and the reason why the search is now where it is.

https://twitter.com/sgify/status/444421777280614400/photo/1

 

[JerseyGirl]

another instance, a plane takes off and vanishes from Africa in 2003:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Boeing_727-223_disappearance

Some reports suggest there was only one person on board the aircraft at the time; other reports suggest there may have been more than one. When the aircraft started taxiing down the runway, the control tower tried to make contact, but there was no response, and the tracking transponder was turned off.

 

[dotr]

Seven facts about the Andaman Islands, here is one...


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-latest-3240717

"Arthur Conan Doyle used the islands for a Sherlock Holmes mystery

The second adventure for the master sleuth was called The Sign of Four.

It is set in 1888 and involves the East India Company, the Indian Rebellion of 1857 and some stolen treasure.

Holmes's drug habit is also introduced for the first time, as is Dr Watson's future wife, Mary Morstan".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...-airlines-flight-latest-3240717#ixzz2vwLEzCq4
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[John51]

Quick question for any expert here. So the plane flew along a navigational way point where there is possibility that other aircraft is also using. But with its anti collision transponder off (we assume) how could it avoid running into other planes? Would it have some form of assistance? Ground radar perhaps?

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[I Must Break You]

Quick question for any expert here. So the plane flew along a navigational way point where there is possibility that other aircraft is also using. But with its anti collision transponder off (we assume) how could it avoid running into other planes? Would it have some form of assistance? Ground radar perhaps?

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Well I would assume if the plane was flying lower then normal altitude than the chance of a mid air collision would be pretty low. I'm of course just speculating, but it would stand to reason.

 

[Elley Mae]

Exclusive: Radar data suggests missing Malaysia plane deliberately flown way off course - sources

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-malaysia-airlines-radar-exclusive-idUSBREA2D0DG20140314

Waypoints are geographic locations, worked out by calculating longitude and latitude, that help pilots navigate along established air corridors.

Malaysia's air force chief said on Wednesday an aircraft that could have been the missing plane was plotted on military radar at 2:15 a.m., 200 miles northwest of Penang Island off Malaysia's west coast.

This position marks the limit of Malaysia's military radar in that part of the country, a fourth source familiar with the investigation told Reuters.
When asked about the range of military radar at a news conference on Thursday, Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said it was "a sensitive issue" that he was not going to reveal.

"Even if it doesn't extend beyond that, we can get the co-operation of the neighboring countries," he said.

The fact that the aircraft - if it was MH370 - had lost contact with air traffic control and was invisible to civilian radar suggested someone on board had turned off its communication systems, the first two sources said.

When asked about the range of military radar at a news conference on Thursday, Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said it was "a sensitive issue" that he was not going to reveal.

"Even if it doesn't extend beyond that, we can get the co-operation of the neighboring countries," he said.

much more at link.

 

[dh109977]

Is anyone else extremely frustrated today. A week later and still nothing.

These poor families. I know I wake up everyday hoping today they find this plane. I can't imagine the pain and agony these families are feeling.

 

[dotr]

Scandal in the Andaman Islands in recent years..

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/21/tourists-india-human-safaris?guni=Article:in body link

"forced to dance' for tourists

They are holidays billed as an opportunity to enter another world, a chance to see the world's last primitive tribes up close in their natural environment.

The brochures tease and at times, critics say, titillate. Take the Delhi-based Aces Indian Tours, which invites visitors to travel to see the Bonda people, an ancient tribe found in the remote hilly regions of the state of Orissa. The website breathily offers to provide an insight into utterly different lives. "On the northwest of river Machkund", it states, "live the wildest, rudest and possibly the most interesting tribe known as Bonda Tribe. The scanty dress of the Bonda women and homicidal tendency of Bonda males make them most fascinating people."

It is this kind of exotic invitation that has now come under unprecedented scrutiny in India, raising ethical issues that also apply to similar tours in other remote regions of the world".

 

[momrids6]

I've got about 6 minutes to catch up on thread 5.
Anything happened??

the plane is missing... more maybes, more denials, the plane is still missing

 

[John51]

Well I would assume if the plane was flying lower then normal altitude than the chance of a mid air collision would be pretty low. I'm of course just speculating, but it would stand to reason.

I would agree also with you, but the indication so far with regard to the engine data is that its flying at cruising altitude.

More n more question every day with little answers coming.

 

[momrids6]

Right! This plane did not have wifi. But, if it did veer off over Kota Bharu at a lower altitude near that huge cell tower, there could be data from it. :twocents:

Softail, get outta my head! And we are obviously watching the same station :seeya:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

This is the correct airport-

http://skyvector.com/airport/VYCI/Coco-Island-Airport

http://goo.gl/maps/LTU60

Thanks for researching and sharing, Mom!

:tyou:

 

[popsicle]

David KaminskiMorrow ‏@FlightDKM 14m
Keeping #MH370 conspiracy theorists quiet by asking them to comb endless photos of sea water is black-belt level trolling.

David KaminskiMorrow ‏@FlightDKM 2h
Half of the #MH370 search resources - 57 ships and 48 aircraft - are currently wasting their time. But no-one knows which half.

https://twitter.com/FlightDKM

 

[JerseyGirl]

Indian officials have begun searching hundreds of uninhabited islands in the Andaman Sea using heat-seeking devices in the search for the Malaysia Airlines flight that disappeared six days ago.

Two Indian air force reconnaissance planes began flying over the islands on Friday as a precaution, after they and two naval ships scoured the seas surrounding the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, according to Colonel Harmit Singh of India's tri-services command in the territory.

The archipelago, which stretches south of Burma, contains 572 islands covering an area of 52 x 720km. Only 37 are inhabited, with the rest covered in dense forests.

The Indian navy was considering expanding its search west into the Bay of Bengal.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ian-flight-mh370-india-search-andaman-islands

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Sri Jegarajah ‏@cnbcSri 1m
7th Fleet: P-3C Orion completed search today of NW section of Malacca Strait, flew approx 1,000 miles west, nothing significant to report

Sri Jegarajah ‏@cnbcSri 2m
BREAKING: US 7th Fleet - "We do not have detailed information on her (USS Kidd's) assignment in the Strait of Malacca at this time" #MH370

Sri Jegarajah ‏@cnbcSri 3m
BREAKING: US 7th Fleet - USS Kidd arrived in the northwestern section of the Strait of Malacca late this afternoon #MH370

Sri Jegarajah ‏@cnbcSri 4m
BREAKING: US 7th Fleet - "We shift our focus from the Gulf of Thailand to the northwestern section of the Strait of Malacca" #MH370

Sri Jegarajah ‏@cnbcSri 4m
BREAKING: US 7th Fleet's Cmdr. William J. Marks - "No significant activity" to report in #MH370 search effort

https://twitter.com/cnbcSri

Thanks for you r continued reporting of tweets, Popsicle! so informative!

:tyou:

 

[popsicle]

Retweeted by Stephen Trimble
Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 1h
China now claims a sea bed seismic event was 72 miles north of last known #MH370 location, 90min after it’s last known location. #WTF

https://twitter.com/FG_STrim

 

[belimom]

Exclusive: Radar data suggests missing Malaysia plane deliberately flown way off course - sources

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-malaysia-airlines-radar-exclusive-idUSBREA2D0DG20140314

Waypoints are geographic locations, worked out by calculating longitude and latitude, that help pilots navigate along established air corridors.

Malaysia's air force chief said on Wednesday an aircraft that could have been the missing plane was plotted on military radar at 2:15 a.m., 200 miles northwest of Penang Island off Malaysia's west coast.

This position marks the limit of Malaysia's military radar in that part of the country, a fourth source familiar with the investigation told Reuters.
When asked about the range of military radar at a news conference on Thursday, Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said it was "a sensitive issue" that he was not going to reveal.

"Even if it doesn't extend beyond that, we can get the co-operation of the neighboring countries," he said.

The fact that the aircraft - if it was MH370 - had lost contact with air traffic control and was invisible to civilian radar suggested someone on board had turned off its communication systems, the first two sources said.

When asked about the range of military radar at a news conference on Thursday, Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said it was "a sensitive issue" that he was not going to reveal.

"Even if it doesn't extend beyond that, we can get the co-operation of the neighboring countries," he said.

much more at link.

bbm

Remember how Malaysia asked India to check their radar or for their radar data?

What is really bothering me is that Malaysia knew all of this. Then they denied the plane flew longer. Yet asked for data from India -- next to the Andaman Sea -- still without acknowledging the data they had?

Why? Because someone may have in fact contacted them with demands but warned them not to leak any info. Which is why even in the face of data from the US, they still denied it, claiming it would compromise the search.

John51 said this on the previous thread. I'll look for the link because if you didn't see it, you should.