Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #6

[aa9511]

What about if we look at where they cut off last contact (turned off transponder)? What would be the reason that they chose to do it precisely at that moment?

 

[Lola68]

The last words heard "alright, good night" are unusual in that the two systems, ACAR and transponder, had already been turned off. So the timing of events means the words are out of place and suspect.

Talking about his now on CNN.

Out of place and suspect IF the Captain himself knew that both systems had already been turned off by this point

 

[khaki]

like someone posted above, I too am wondering about the air traffic controllers in Malaysia... were they involved? maybe the "all right, good night" was code for them about the next phase of the plot

 

[Beetlebrow]

I believe China and India satellites would have detected a plane approaching their air space
I agree..no one country wants to show their hand in regards to spy satellites..etc..

But if it was someone who worked for Malaysia Airlines.... they would know how to program a route that the airline normally takes when flying across these countries. Malaysia airlines has permanent routes they fly everyday across India. Planes are hardly ever on time and if a control tower contacted them when they popped up on radar, they might be able to talk their way out of it. just thinkin...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I know I read that it was another plane ......I guess I just ASSumed :truce:
That means there was a frequency to make some kind of contact on. I thought that this type of mumbling was the same as what they refer to as squawking but my brain is so fried. Anyway, I guess only another pilot would know if the sounds were unusual or just a messed up connection. whew!

For some reason, to my knowledge, this information is either wrong or hasn't been reported on msm yet. Wonder why?

They're asking these questions now. Why didn't ATC alert sooner that something was wrong and who did the pilots last speak to.

 

[Tssiemer]

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This made me giggle. But you failed to include the Moon and Mars. (I mean really, at this point it could be orbiting earth and no one would tell us).


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[dotr]

" U.S. aviation safety experts say the shutdown of communications systems makes it clear the missing Malaysia Airlines jet was taken over by someone who knew how the plane worked.

To turn off the transponder, someone in the cockpit would have to turn a knob with multiple selections to the "off" position while pressing down at the same time, said John Goglia, a former member of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. That's something a pilot would know, but it could also be learned by someone who researched the plane on the Internet, he said.

The Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) has two aspects, Goglia said. The information part of the system was shut down, but not the transmission part. In most planes, the information section can be shut down by hitting cockpit switches in sequence in order to get to a computer screen where an option must be selected using a keypad, said Goglia, an expert on aircraft maintenance.

That's also something a pilot would know how to do, but that could also be discovered through research, he said.

But to turn off the other transmission portion of the ACARS, it would be necessary to go to an electronics bay beneath the cockpit. That's something a pilot wouldn't normally know how to do, Goglia said. The Malaysia plane's ACARS transmitter continued to send out blips that were recorded by satellite once an hour for four to five hours after the transponder was turned off. The blips don't contain any messages or data, but the satellite can tell in a very broad way what region the blips are coming from."

Read more: http://www.cp24.com/world/malaysia-says-disappearance-of-jet-was-deliberate-1.1730505#ixzz2w42UIayk
bbm.

 

[Tssiemer]

like someone posted above, I too am wondering about the air traffic controllers in Malaysia... were they involved? maybe the "all right, good night" was code for them about the next phase of the plot

All right, good night sounded weird to me as well. Maybe it didn't translate well.


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[popsicle]

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Based on new satellite info,we can say w/ a high degree of certainty tt d Aircraft Communications Addressing&Reporting System(ACARS)..-Admin

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... was disabled just before the aircraft reached the East coast of peninsular Malaysia. -Admin

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Shortly afterwards, near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control, the aircraft’s transponder was switched off.-Admin

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From this point onwards, the Royal Malaysian Air Force primary radar showed that an aircraft which was believed... -Admin

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...– but not confirmed – to be MH370 did indeed turn back. -Admin

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[Leilei]

Just jumping off your post Leilei.

The extra security that came with 9/11 in the U.S. at airports is not worldwide.

And, some airports in other areas do not want that extra security.

I believe it. Even my dad said that passengers traveling on stolen passports are not uncommon. That's something I keep having to remind myself of, that just because we increased airport security after 9/11, doesn't mean that other countries did.

Do you think things will change over there now, security-wise?

 

[khaki]

among the many things shocking about 9-11, the way the event unfolded....box cutters, flying lessons, etc.... I know I never could have imagined a scenario such as that....with that in mind, anything seems possible, no matter how incredulous it seems....

 

[Intermezzo]

Where does another pilot making contact and getting a mumbling response, fit in?

It's just another piece of the puzzle, they made a connection but they were not able to establish direct communication and speak with the pilots of MH370

When MH370 failed to make contact with Vietnam air traffic control they asked a pilot of another 777 plane heading to Japan to try and contact MH370 using their plane's emergency frequency
He said there was interference and he believes he heard mumbling

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/genera...lot-i-established-contact-with-plane-1.503464

"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.
"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.
"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.
"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times.
He said those on the same frequency at the time would have heard the exchange.
This, he said, would include vessels on the waters below.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Out of place and suspect IF the Captain himself knew that both systems had already been turned off by this point

Several pilots interviewed have stated that both pilots would be in their seats during the time when the plane was entering a new region. They said this would not be the time to use the restroom or get something to eat.

If the captain had become ill, the co-pilot would alert to the problem.
Therefore, either the pilots were taken over by a third party or one of them is culprit. I believe this is what is being suspected now - one of these choices.

In other words, there was time to alert to the problem but no one did.

 

[Tssiemer]

among the many things shocking about 9-11, the way the event unfolded....box cutters, flying lessons, etc.... I know I never could have imagined a scenario such as that....with that in mind, anything seems possible, no matter how incredulous it seems....

Yeah. This event has made me go back over events on each of the flights involved with 9/11. It seems the hijackers did not turn off transponders so atc knew where they were and when they tried to broadcast to the passengers on the plane each of them accidentally communicated with atc. But even with these mistakes the authorities and military were alerted but the planes still mostly hit their targets. So maybe, if these are hijackers, they learned from Al-quada's mistakes? All that info is available on Wikipedia.


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[panthera]

The last words heard "alright, good night" are unusual in that the two systems, ACAR and transponder, had already been turned off. So the timing of events means the words are out of place and suspect.

Talking about his now on CNN.

Also appears something more would have been said, even without the ACAR and transponder shut off. Agree with the man who was speaking on CNN; something definitely wasn't right.

MOO

 

[Nore]

OMG. My doctor hasn't checked me for that yet! I've been having "phantom pains" as well and I had my gbladder out a year ago. I will bring it up!! Thanks!!

Sorry OT.

But that's funny.

She probably had as good a chance finding than anyone else lol.


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Hi, my SIL had the same thing, stone in the duct. She was VERY sick..:seeya:

 

[aa9511]

did%3D756355657#/video/world/2014/03/11/exp-lead-intv-shachtman-technology-locate-flight-370.cnn

This video shows map that at 12:41 am it left Kuala Lumpur. At 1:30 am, it turned left-ish direction. It made sure, it looks like, to get past Malaysian air traffic control.

Once it got to Vietnamese air control, it began doing things.

Does anyone think they might have had people on the inside in Vietnam, who "looked the other way"?

 

[Tssiemer]

It's just another piece of the puzzle, they made a connection but they were not able to establish direct communication and speak with the pilots of MH370

When MH370 failed to make contact with Vietnam air traffic control they asked a pilot of another 777 plane heading to Japan to try and contact MH370 using their plane's emergency frequency
He said there was interference and he believes he heard mumbling

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/genera...lot-i-established-contact-with-plane-1.503464

"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.
"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.
"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.
"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times.
He said those on the same frequency at the time would have heard the exchange.
This, he said, would include vessels on the waters below.

But what if the mumbling was another person speaking another language?


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[IHAVENOCLUE]

I hadn't heard this - please could you repost where you saw it? Thanks

I have it written in my notes...

So I googled... Only found references in non MSM tweets ...

But I also found reference (in google, by the way ) to :

Websleuths -thread #5-pages 41 &42...

maybe another Sleuther has more information on truth to possibility that Malaysian flight 370 had cargo pushed through due to inoperable x-Ray machine... Just on that flight?

TIA...:seeya:

 

[Beetlebrow]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-Airline-planes-pilots-starts-to-emerge.html

A lot of new info on the older pilot. I just can't see this man in any way harming his passengers. We need more info on the co-pilot.