Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #7

[gia2]

With the video we have seen taken of the girls in the cockpit partying...I don't think they followed protocol. Seems it did not take much for someone to schmooze their way into their pilot pit.

I forget - didn't that image depict women in the cockpit when the plane was on the ground, not during flight?

 

[ToutCa]

I think people are missing the fact that the 'pings' that kept going for 4 or 5 hours

The ACARS pings were NEVER switched off. They continued for 7.5 hours. Experts have stated there was no way for anyone on the plane to disable the pings.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Question. I just looked at a few maps of international air space. I didn't reach a definite conclusion but it seems most airspaces are just beyond the natural coastline of the country.

So who is in charge of watching the sea? No-one? Is this why we're in this mess?!

 

[Snoods]

You go thru a hatch in the cockpit to shut-off ACARS correct?

It sure does seem as if one of the pilots is involved, I just don't think anything else makes sense at this point. None of it makes sense, but y'all know what I mean...

 

[ElleElle]

So now, US investigators are saying the pilots are involved.

I can agree with this, however, would the planed have not crashed?

I really have a hard time accepting there is no sign of MH370.

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

ScarlettScarpetta, in the last thread, wanted to know which ship (carrier) this is

I looked up the USS Kidd and USS Pinckney, they are destroyer class,

I must be the carrier that has the Poseidon and Orion air craft on it or it belongs to another country

Is it definitely military, or could it be a tanker with helicopter landing facilities?

If you have a rough idea of where/when it was taken, then one of the ship tracking sites (like https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/) might help ID it!

 

[martin walkerdine]

BREAKING NEWS :: Pilot that was flying the missing plane attended court case in defence of opposition leader JUST HOURS BEFORE was this sabotage ?

 

[Snoods]

With the video we have seen taken of the girls in the cockpit partying...I don't think they followed protocol. Seems it did not take much for someone to schmooze their way into their pilot pit.

That was the young co-pilot with a different pilot chatting up the young girls; no evidence that the pilot of this plane would break that protocol, but I get what you mean!

 

[catatonia]

This has to be the biggest mystery in aviation history ever.

 

[fruity]

It wasn't 4-5 hrs later though. They were both shut off before it made the turn back.

The second portion if the ACARS was not. Please read this post by dotr from the last thread, it explains it really clearly.

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It has information from this link:

http://www.cp24.com/world/malaysia-says-disappearance-of-jet-was-deliberate-1.1730505

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I forget - didn't that image depict women in the cockpit when the plane was on the ground, not during flight?

Roos told CNN on Wednesday that she and a friend were waiting for a flight in 2011 when Hamid and another pilot asked them if they wanted to sit in the cockpit during the flight. Roos and her friend agreed and went to their assigned seats when they boarded. Later they were escorted to the cockpit, she said, and they were there for the rest of the flight.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-cockpit-companions/

(Comes from an interview with Piers Morgan so stated on video by the woman)

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It sure does seem as if one of the pilots is involved, I just don't think anything else makes sense at this point. None of it makes sense, but y'all know what I mean...

It definitely seems "a" pilot is involved. It may not be either of the Malaysians ones though, a flight trained terrorist or two may have overpowered the real pilots. Don't forget although many countries (including UK & US I believe) have locked cockpits since 9/11, many do not.

I just don't want to believe it was suicide. I don't see why the plane would still be at optimum flying height 8 hours after take off. Why???

 

[panthera]

Richard Quest on CNN: "a case where a pilot has gone awry" What an understatement! I love Richard, who apparently never sleeps. He covers Royal weddings and missing airliners with equal aplomb. (I realize he had interviewed and perhaps filmed the co-pilot for a feature story he was doing about a month or so ago.)

Richard did just make a good point. Why go to all the trouble (disabling the transponder, ACARS, making the wide turn diversion, etc) if it were the pilot or co-pilot presumably on a suicide mission? Add to that, my question, what was the purpose?

There also has been some discussion of the Al-Qaeda connection to Malaysia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10700652/Malaysia-Airline-MH370-911-style-terror-allegations-resurface-in-case-of-lost-plane.html

 

[lawstudent]

Question. I just looked at a few maps of international air space. I didn't reach a definite conclusion but it seems most airspaces are just beyond the natural coastline of the country.

So who is in charge of watching the sea? No-one? Is this why we're in this mess?!

Countries watch their own airspace to make sure no one is attacking them - so they are considered to "own" that airspace/ocean - no one is put in charge of anything. There isn't really a reason to be concerned over ocean airspace/water because there's no threat to anyone and probably not a lot of travel there either.

 

[Snoods]

Dead on, lawstudent.

Can't help but feel if he wanted to "make a statement" then by now the world should know or be aware of what he was trying to say!
(If suicide, some form of communication left beforehand, if hijacking and kidnapping,contact with demands.)
Maybe he planned something and it just got screwed up on him and the plane crashed.
My gut says this pilot was a good guy. So, I dunno :dunno:

BBM :scared: I know what you mean! I just posted a page or two back what a nice guy I think the pilot is, but now I don't know WHAT to think.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

If someone said to me, "Hey, in 2003 a Boeing 727 was stolen and it still has never been found!" I would have answered "No way!"

Well, it happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Charles_Padilla#Ben_Charles_Padilla

Here's a more in-depth article about it:
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Missing-jet-linked-to-terrorism-20030623


You'd think after an incident like this happening in 2003 that being able to find an airplane would have moved up a notch in importance?

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eta: I am not by nature a conspiracy theorist type of person. But is anyone other than me getting the feeling that something really hinky is going on here - in addition to this plane being missing, I mean?

So MANY things are unusual. The whole Malaysian "I didn't say that. Oh, wait, I said that" And how everything that doesn't make sense is explained by "Oh, well, the Malaysians. You know how they are!"

One of the "experts" just went through this whole "Oh, well, the Malaysians" explanation in answer to "Why wasn't the pilot's house searched until yesterday?"

 

[panthera]

Roos and her friend agreed and went to their assigned seats when they boarded. Later they were escorted to the cockpit, she said, and they were there for the rest of the flight.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-cockpit-companions/

(Comes from an interview with Piers Morgan so stated on video by the woman)

It was also mentioned today on CNN and reported he had been reprimanded by the airline.

MOO

 

[21merc7]

Richard did just make a good point. Why go to all the trouble (disabling the transponder, ACARS, making the wide turn diversion, etc) if it were the pilot or co-pilot presumably on a suicide mission? Add to that, my question, what was the purpose?

There also has been some discussion of the Al-Qaeda connection to Malaysia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10700652/Malaysia-Airline-MH370-911-style-terror-allegations-resurface-in-case-of-lost-plane.html

Wonder if this is how the pilot and co-pilot were trained to respond in a hijacking/take over situation? How to leave a trail of crumbs for the area they were piloting in?

 

[popsicle]

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[danzn16]

So if this ping (in the yellow box) was at 8:11am, we know that it was still flying at around normal flight level at that time, some 7 hours later. You would think if it WAS suicide he would have done it over the sea, much earlier.



Lends more weight to it being flown and landed somewhere perhaps?

Very good point


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