Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 - #2

[zwiebel]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28399670

 

[zwiebel]

Fifteen mins to handover of blackboxes. What do people think the chances are of them actually being handed over, intact?

 

[~Lyric~]

I have RT television through Dish and I switched over to the channel this morning and saw on their scroll, that the Russian Television is saying there was another plane close to flight MH-17... here is the link:

http://rt.com/

They are showing a diagram of a second plane....

Not sure I believe it tho.....

 

[zwiebel]

There has been a tribute to two Brit victims at a soccer club today.

'THE SOUND of loud clapping reverberated around Newcastle United’s home ground today (Monday, July 21) as hundreds of people remembered two loyal fans killed in the Malaysia Airlines catastrophe.

A minute’s applause followed an emotional service at the player’s entrance to St James’ Park, where a sea of flowers, football shirts and scarves have been left in memory of John Alder, 63 and 28-year-old Liam Sweeney.'

Liam's Dad is in the photograph.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne..._fans_who_died_in_Malaysian_Airlines_tragedy/

 

[zoomom]

I have read all the threads and have been reading since the beginning - here is my question: Why do they have to be all "secret squirrel" about the trains and the bodies??? Do they think there is going to be a train robbery?? Why not just say the bodies are on X train and will arrive in Z town at approx Ypm, and will be received by "M"???

Are they just trying to emotionally torture the families?


N/M - I think it's a moot point, and has been answered since I first wrote my post.

 

[zwiebel]

Okay. The rebel leaders have been too busy having dinner at their hotel, to have handed the black boxes over yet. According to @maxseddon

https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/tweets

 

[zwiebel]

Malay Colonel waiting for backboxes is Col. Mohd Sakri

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28399670?ocid=socialflow_twitter

 

[zwiebel]

What the Russian papers are saying about flight MH17.

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-media-mh17-malaysia-ukraine/25465129.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

I have RT television through Dish and I switched over to the channel this morning and saw on their scroll, that the Russian Television is saying there was another plane close to flight MH-17... here is the link:

http://rt.com/

They are showing a diagram of a second plane....

Not sure I believe it tho.....

Posted this a little while ago.

Russia Claims A Ukrainian Su-25 Aircraft Was Tailing MH17 - But It Can't Fly That High

15:08 (GMT)

according to the manufacturer of the Su-25, Sukhoi, the maximum altitude of the Su-25 carrying no external ordnance and stores is only 7 kilometers (7000 meters, 23,000 feet). MH17 was flying at 10,000 meters, about 33,000 feet. By this logic, even if the Su-25 was flying directly under MH17 it would be at least 3 kilometers away.

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...-donetsk/#3484

 

[kimi_SFC]

Okay. The rebel leaders have been too busy having dinner at their hotel, to have handed the black boxes over yet. According to @maxseddon

https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/tweets

max seddon (@maxseddon) tweeted at 10:56am - 21 Jul 14:

Malaysia's prime minister says the rebels will hand his investigators the black boxes at 9, but they're all having dinner in this hotel. (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/491280685559455744)


Incredible :moo:


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[Isabelle]

Okay. The rebel leaders have been too busy having dinner at their hotel, to have handed the black boxes over yet. According to @maxseddon

https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/tweets

OMG! I really do think war is the only thing these monsters understand!

 

[Bravo]

OMG! I really do think war is the only thing these monsters understand!

Incredible!!!!! Oh and add food to the list. Heartless %$#!'s. Just jumping off your post.

 

[zwiebel]

I have read all the threads and have been reading since the beginning - here is my question: Why do they have to be all "secret squirrel" about the trains and the bodies??? Do they think there is going to be a train robbery?? Why not just say the bodies are on X train and will arrive in Z town at approx Ypm, and will be received by "M"???

Are they just trying to emotionally torture the families?


N/M - I think it's a moot point, and has been answered since I first wrote my post.

Well Noah Sneider, journo who appears to be tweeting from a position of some danger, says the moment the train left, two jet fighters flew over and dropped bombs nearby. So maybe it's safer if train route destination was not announced?

https://mobile.twitter.com/NoahSneider

 

[Isabelle]

I cannot imagine the pain and sadness that will envelop the airport in the Netherlands when the plane carrying the bodies arrive. So heartbreaking.

 

[Bravo]

Thanks for all the updates and opines folks. I just cant even comment-yet. So deeply saddened and angered. Reading along here.....for now.

 

[zwiebel]

'Earnest, the White House spokesperson, meanwhile says the agreement made by Malaysia and rebels to hand over the MH17 black boxes and bodies "absolutely does not" bolster separatists' legitimacy.'

'The US "is more credible" than Russia, US State Department spokesperson Marie Harf has said at a separate press conference.

"We are not equally credible parties … we don't put out mass amounts of propaganda." '

Pic shows train as it departed station earlier.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/mh17-disaster-ukraine-obama-live-updates

 

[kimi_SFC]

Well Noah Sneider, journo who appears to be tweeting from a position of some danger, says the moment the train left, two jet fighters flew over and dropped bombs nearby. So maybe it's safer if train route destination was not announced?

https://mobile.twitter.com/NoahSneider

Jumping off your post, zwie...


Noah Sneider (@NoahSneider) tweeted at 10:49am - 21 Jul 14:

Fwiw, I think the rebel convoy I just saw driving east away from #donetsk was heading to Snizhne, site of heavy fighting in recent days (https://twitter.com/NoahSneider/status/491278890158292992)

Noah Sneider (@NoahSneider) tweeted at 10:20am - 21 Jul 14:

Massive convoy of rebels and equipment on the road near shakhtyorsk heading away from #Donetsk. Cars, buses, tanks, APCs, maybe ~50 total. (https://twitter.com/NoahSneider/status/491271597312180224)



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[zwiebel]

Sorry folks, once again I've got confused with 24 hr clocks. It is 8.30 now, not 9.30. So there's still half an hour to handover of blackboxes.

I'm not sure if they will contribute anything to the investigation, but it seems important. They have been promised, word has been given and they should be handed over. Otherwise, it will seem like pro Russian rebel leaders are simply playing games.

ETA: I don't even have the excuse of being in a different timezone!

 

[kimi_SFC]

WARNING: Graphic image tweet

Yesterday via

Noah Sneider (@NoahSneider) tweeted at 7:17am - 20 Jul 14:

Locals from nearby villages have laid flowers at the #MH17 site. In the background, bodies being collected & bagged.
http://pic.twitter.com/R9amijGIoX

(https://twitter.com/NoahSneider/status/490863008722481152)

:cry:



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[gia2]

Poroschenko said that they are missing 16 bodies but all the others were leaving in 50 minutes from his interview with Christian Amanpour. He checked his watch. So it looks like repatriation will happen.

It is the least the rebels and russia can do. And they don't have much reason to keep them now, they are probably so decomposed not much evidence can be found from them. They did their nefarious purpose by keeping them in the hot sun for three days

imo

What do you think the bodies would have shown, had them been collected and returned earlier?

I don't understand what people think the bodies would tell us about the circumstances of the crash. The consensus is that a BUK missile hit the plane, this can be verified by the wreckage itself, not the bodies. The bodies won't tell us anything about who hit the plane and whether it was on purpose or a mistake. So I'm wondering what evidence they would give us.