Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 - #3

[CARIIS]

I don’t know guys. Starting to ponder if, after the first 24 hours, Ukraine is throwing out a lot of propaganda. I get it – go while the oven is hot. BUT

If you and I are on, for lack of a better term, on the same side if I said:

"Our friends from high above are very much interested in the fate of the 'black boxes.

I think you would know what we are talking about.

Or if I said

…(the)..people from Moscow."

I think we too, would have clarity.

But in thinking about it this feels like overkill:
"Our friends from high above are very much interested in the fate of the 'black boxes.' I mean people from Moscow."

, redundant not natural flow?

And then today maybe the shots were from Russia itself –---- let’s be frank all our allies WOULD know if they were shot from Russia --- instantly. So far the only ones making that allegation is Ukraine

I would think, that if all of , our allies , KNEW they were fired From Russia, that info would be disseminated by all of us to the world. Kind of serious!

There is just too much from Ukraine, alone, with no confirmation from all these other very sophisticated nations with far superior technological skill sets???
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[CARIIS]

24 on the Australian plane and 16 on the Dutch plane.

Cnn reporting that, for lack of a better word, there is no sorting happening. Body bags from the train are just being placed in coffins. So I would assume the reall stuff starts after they get their, everything unpacked and start for real, IMO

 

[ZaZara]

Cnn reporting that, for lack of a better word, there is no sorting happening. Body bags from the train are just being placed in coffins. So I would assume the reall stuff starts after they get their, everything unpacked and start for real, IMO

It has been reported that the bags are inspected briefly to make sure that indeed there are human remains in them.

 

[CARIIS]

· Hilversum is a municipality and a city in the Netherlands, in the province of North Holland. Located in the region called "'t Gooi", it is the largest town in that area.
It is surrounded by heathland, woods, meadows, lakes, and smaller villages. Wikipedia
· · · Area: 17.85 sq miles (46.24 km²)

· Weather: 69°F (21°C), Wind N at 8 mph (13 km/h), 78% Humidity

Charming quaint

forgot to copy link google images!

 

[CARIIS]

It has been reported that the bags are inspected briefly to make sure that indeed there are human remains in them.

Tuinder’s team is not opening the body bags for a count but instead is placing them in coffins that will be flown to the Netherlands beginning Wednesday morning.

bodies are being prepared for transport in an empty warehouse at a sprawling compound that is a munitions factory where tanks were built in the Soviet era.

Cnn also reported they were being X Rayed for dangerous stuff - when I heard that I thought god how sad.....can you imagaine.........pretty messed up world huh


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...e5e1ec-123a-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html

http://dailyreportage.com/dutch_off..._bodies_train_carrying_remains_r_1041079.html

First bodies from MH17 flown out of Ukraine

 

[SouthAussie]

Australia considering sending Federal Police and Military to secure MH 17 crash site.
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/in-de...999380071?nk=7807e4bbce6ed914b47ff19d480d1b41

Lots of debate on this happening now.

Some analysts say that we cannot just go into someone else's country with military and police. We must be invited/allowed. And then what happens if there is an incident and one of our military or police are killed. Does this then escalate? Do we risk more bloodshed to investigate the previous bloodshed? :dunno:

Such a difficult call.

I wish it could have been as one of the victim's sons said on TV this morning. "I wish that this would have jolted people to lay down their guns and find a way for peace."

 

[Insp.Gadget]

Nice to see the victims treated with “proper dignity and respect”
by the Dutch military men carrying the coffins containing the bodies of MH17 victims during the
ceremony at Eindhoven Airbase in the Netherlands.
Respect & Peace!


MH17 Youtube News-report link to an American radio host, “conspiracy” documentary filmmaker,
this is his syndicated news show on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4W-8qNnD0


Theguardian.com, Wednesday 23 July 2014 01.41 AEST
"MH17: five of the most bizarre conspiracy theories
From Zionist plots to the Illuminati, some wildly imaginative alternatives are being promoted by the likes of Russian TV."
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-theories-zionist-plots-illuminati-russian-tv


Theguardian.com, Thursday 24 July 2014 07.06 AEST
"MH17: Ukrainian fighter jets shot down as rebel admits missile system – live updates
Two Ukrainian fighter jets shot down by rebels
First group of victims' bodies arrive in Netherlands
Black boxes from MH17 arrive in Britain
Eyewitnesses tell the Guardian of Buk system in Torez"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-in-netherlands-as-bodies-arrive-live-updates

 

[Insp.Gadget]

Lots of debate on this happening now.

Some analysts say that we cannot just go into someone else's country with military and police. We must be invited/allowed. And then what happens if there is an incident and one of our military or police are killed. Does this then escalate? Do we risk more bloodshed to investigate the previous bloodshed? :dunno:

Such a difficult call.

I wish it could have been as one of the victim's sons said on TV this morning. "I wish that this would have jolted people to lay down their guns and find a way for peace."

Why can't the Red Cross be there ?

 

[CARIIS]

I actually got goosebumps when I read that excerpt... Stunningly sad, yet beautiful and dignified.

ANd SKy news said that after the tolls stopped it was somewhat windy and all the flags at the actual site the ropes all clinged on the flag poles in unision ... It thought that was neat

 

[redheadedgal]

Have you lost a child?

the quote i replied to was in regard to being suicidal b/c a rebel conducted an autopsy on a loved one, not that a loved one had died. there is a difference. curious why the goal post has changed...

i am sorry i showed concern. i won't make that mistake again.

 

[CARIIS]

Lots of debate on this happening now.

Some analysts say that we cannot just go into someone else's country with military and police. We must be invited/allowed. And then what happens if there is an incident and one of our military or police are killed. Does this then escalate? Do we risk more bloodshed to investigate the previous bloodshed? :dunno:

Such a difficult call.

I wish it could have been as one of the victim's sons said on TV this morning. "I wish that this would have jolted people to lay down their guns and find a way for peace."

yeh ... and as if reported today "someone" shot down two more planes today I would conclude they whomever has not cooled off, or be smart enoguht to at least quit for a week or so pretty ballsey --- that is why I do not think they came from Russia itself..............pretty stupid if so...........

 

[SouthAussie]

Why can't the Red Cross be there ?

There is/was someone on this thread who worked with the Red Cross, who may be able to answer your question. But aren't the Red Cross present just for the victims? I read that Israel just let the Red Cross in to pull deceased persons from Gaza.

I think the Aussie consideration is to protect investigators, which falls outside the Red Cross scope of work, to my understanding.

 

[ZaZara]

Tuinder’s team is not opening the body bags for a count but instead is placing them in coffins that will be flown to the Netherlands beginning Wednesday morning.

bodies are being prepared for transport in an empty warehouse at a sprawling compound that is a munitions factory where tanks were built in the Soviet era.

Cnn also reported they were being X Rayed for dangerous stuff - when I heard that I thought god how sad.....can you imagaine.........pretty messed up world huh


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...e5e1ec-123a-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html

http://dailyreportage.com/dutch_off..._bodies_train_carrying_remains_r_1041079.html

First bodies from MH17 flown out of Ukraine

It's even worse. Paul McGeough reports:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-cr...ised-as-bodies-go-missing-20140723-zvv9x.html

Once the train arrived at a railway siding in a former weapons factory south of downtown Kharkiv, an international team, including Australians, set about repacking the bodies in new body bags, which in turn were to be stored in wooden coffins for the flight to the Netherlands in a process that would likely start Wednesday.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-cr...-go-missing-20140723-zvv9x.html#ixzz38KhunkoI

In the video he says:
It's a very unpleasant process ... [ graphic description of the conditions and the bodies] ... They're having to remove them from the bodybags they came in, pack them into new bodybags and put them into coffins.

 

[SouthAussie]

"We've seen the most solemn, moving ceremony where today 40 people were brought from a very difficult place into the embrace of a people who mean them well," Sir Peter told Australian media afterwards. "We were thinking to ourselves, 'is this person in this casket an Australian?' So today they were all Australians and they were all Dutch and all of the other nations."

http://www.smh.com.au/world/planes-...netherlands-20140724-zw7hq.html#ixzz38Kk1cNsk

 

[CARIIS]

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https://www.google.com/search?q=Sat...j_8AHqzoHYCQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1088&bih=506

https://www.google.com/search?clien...Fgallery%2Fmh17-crash-site-aerials%2F;980;552

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...victims-bodies-STILL-remain-morgue-train.html

 

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It's even worse. Paul McGeough reports:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-cr...ised-as-bodies-go-missing-20140723-zvv9x.html

Once the train arrived at a railway siding in a former weapons factory south of downtown Kharkiv, an international team, including Australians, set about repacking the bodies in new body bags, which in turn were to be stored in wooden coffins for the flight to the Netherlands in a process that would likely start Wednesday.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-cr...-go-missing-20140723-zvv9x.html#ixzz38KhunkoI

In the video he says:
It's a very unpleasant process ... [ graphic description of the conditions and the bodies] ... They're having to remove them from the bodybags they came in, pack them into new bodybags and put them into coffins.

Man



Man intense video - we all have heard 5 cars but to see how long it is knowing what is inside is quite powerful imagery. The old rusty gate closing behind it made it worse.

And, not being gross , but at some point (hopefully very soon god almight) these bodies have to quit being tossed around zip locked un zip locked re ziplocked all that sloshing around continues to degrade valuable stuff

it truly is mind boggling what has been going on this week utterly sad statement about the world in which are living in................

 

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[h=4]MH17: US to release classified information[/h] The US State Department confirms it will release classified information linking Russia to the missile that felled MH17.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/rebels-...s-officials-20140723-zvw2d.html#ixzz38KpsMZn0
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[h=1]MH17 looting confirmed: Victims' phones answered by strangers, relatives say[/h]

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Telephone companies agreed to waive the usual requirement for a death certificate and agreed to cancel the phone subscriptions, so those who took the phones could not continue to use them.

Ukraine has also accused local militants of stealing diplomatic papers carried on the flight.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-lo...latives-say-20140723-zw6uo.html#ixzz38Kqg3qfg



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[h=1]Rebels likely downed MH17 'by mistake', say US officials[/h]The US government believes that pro-Russian separatists most likely shot down a Malaysia Airlines jet "by mistake," not realising it was a civilian passenger flight, US intelligence officials said. The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the "most plausible explanation" for why the separatists fired what the United States believes was a Russian-made SA-11 surface-to-air missile at Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was that they had mistaken it for some other kind of aircraft.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/rebels-...s-officials-20140723-zvw2d.html#ixzz38KrcYRM5



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[h=1]MH17 looting confirmed: Victims' phones answered by strangers, relatives say[/h]

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Telephone companies agreed to waive the usual requirement for a death certificate and agreed to cancel the phone subscriptions, so those who took the phones could not continue to use them.

Ukraine has also accused local militants of stealing diplomatic papers carried on the flight.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-lo...latives-say-20140723-zw6uo.html#ixzz38Kqg3qfg



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Oh ... I was afraid of that.
What a confronting shock for the families, who probably just wanted to hear their loved ones' voice on their voicemail greeting.


(Sometimes to hear that voice is very comforting, I have an old answering machine tape locked away for just that reason.)