Maricopa Jane Doe 1999 Thread #5

[Fairy1]

DidI do something wrong? I was only asking what other possible connections there are to Wisconsin other than Lipsey so that I cn share with the WI LE. I didn't ask for info about his mother. If I read incorrectly...I'm sorry! It's been a long day

No worries - if this continues to use his Mom's address as his own, it is public record anyway. It's just not fair to HER - and that's his fault - not yours!

 

[christine2448]

Ty Fairy, that is exactly what I mean.....and Cubby, it's so hard to know what's right and what's not. I am on everyone's 'side' here.....just trying to keep things smooth and 'right'. You all freakin' ROCK! :blowkiss:

 

[Lucy's mom]

No LM, you did nothing wrong. WS TOS we are supposed to use initials and not full names in certain cases.....and there is some confusion with where and when certain things are applicable. I think it is ok to post the full name if the person has been convicted of the crime....

I was answering Christines question in response to why your question was answered. This forum has been flying so it's hard to keep up and Christine has her hands full!

TY for getting WI LE involved! You rock! :blowkiss:

FYI, Kelly Lipsey, did have some court cases for traffic violations and an eviction listed in Milwaukee just prior to his arrival in AZ. These would be in public records in mid to late 98. Some earlier. If this helps your detective friend in any way.

Thank you so much for clarifying! I just wanted to make sure I didn't over step boundaries...aka policies and procedures I'll let our WI LE know about Lipsey's past. Hopefully, that might lead us somewhere!!!!

 

[Fairy1]

Ty Fairy, that is exactly what I mean.....and Cubby, it's so hard to know what's right and what's not. I am on everyone's 'side' here.....just trying to keep things smooth and 'right'. You all freakin' ROCK! :blowkiss:

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss: You rock too!

 

[believe09]

Yes - but according to Suzi's message, it sounds like they're already thinking it's not a viable match. Why would that be???

Is she alive?

 

[believe09]

Is anyone else puzzled by the list on the ME's page? Here is a post from thread #1, posted by Christine2448 on July 18, 2007:

Quote:
just rec'd this from fellow MySpacer:

I just got this..

We are in the process of comparing Jane Doe to Ekaterina, it doesn't
seem like it will be a match.

Thanks again for your interest!

Suzi Dodt, Investigator
Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office
dodts@mail.maricopa.gov <mailto:dodts@mail.maricopa.gov>
Unquote

So now they are considering her?

I also have been told that they are considering DANYEL SPARPANA, but she wasn't on the list. Plus one of the names has already been located deceased. I check the ME's site frequently and this list was put up recently.

I'm glad they are considering and reconsidering, but I'm frustrated that people put a lot of care and thought into making a report about a possible match, get told "no, it's not her" and then, thinking that LE has done their homework, the person is crossed off the list of possibilities prematurely.

Dana had a birthmark on her L knee according to the site-don't see enough roadrash to cover a birthmark for MJD-but I guess it depends on what the birthmark looked like.

 

[believe09]

Maybe we should go through the list of possibles on the ME site and do our own ruling in or out? We could start a sep. thread...

 

[VASHLEY88]

Maybe we should go through the list of possibles on the ME site and do our own ruling in or out? We could start a sep. thread...

I think this is a good idea because obviously there are some girls mentioned on ME's list that either definitely are not her.. or have a strong possibility. Before I posted that ME had updated the site, I knew there was going to be some friction here as some of the girls, clearly, have been discussed before and we were either told it wasn't a match or got no response back!

 

[believe09]

Ekaterina Shcherbakova, Jaycee Dugard, Amber Crum, Melissa McGuinn, Lisa Zaharias, Heather Silver, Michaela Garecht, Amber Jean Swartz Garcia, Jennifer Shawn Vagher, Shannon Marie Sherrill, Monique Daniels, Kaelin Glazier

Pick your favorites-I can take whomever.

 

[Zanko]

I'll take Amber Crum.

 

[Fairy1]

I'm confused! What are we doing with the girls LE is in the process of checking right now?

 

[Zanko]

My understanding is that there is at least one name on the list that is known to have been found deceased.

So, maybe I've got this all confused, but I collected information on Amber Crum. Born September 25, 1981 and missing on December 26, 1983. She would have been 17 years old in January of 1999. So the age fits, maybe a little on the high range. She was missing from Dallas, Texas. Initially her mother's boyfriend (James B. Monroe) was charged with killing her, but no evidence was found and the charges were dropped. Recently there is some who believe that David Elliot Penton killed Amber, although he has never charged (although currently incarcerated for something else). A former cell mate says that he "all but confessed to Amber's abduction".

So could MJD be Amber Crum? Maybe. There are a few composites out there of her and a picture of her when she was 2-years-old. I don't find anything else about her. I was surprised that there wasn't more pictures.

Here's a comparison:

The only thing I'd say is that it appears that Amber's ears stick out more than MJD. Oh, and yes I saved the picture as Nicole Crum by accident!

 

[believe09]

Good work Zanko-was this a non family abduction and do you know if there is DNA on file for Amber or prints?

I will take Kaelin Glazer, and Monique Daniels

 

[believe09]

Links:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/glazier.htm
http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/glazier_kaelin.shtml
http://www.ktvl.com/news/remains_1186117___article.html/glazier_ruch.html

Her remains were located in April of 2008-this might have already been brought up, which is why NCMEC took her case down.

 

[believe09]

DOB: 1976, which puts her on the high, high side of age, not to mention if she were MJD why would she say she was 15 when she went to the club where she was looking to be a dancer?

Links:
http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...=en_US&orgPrefix=NCMC&caseNum=787775&seqNum=1
http://www.emcorgroup.com/index.cgi/63913
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/mdaniels.html
http://doenetwork.org/cases/607dfok.html

Distinguishing charecteristics: A mole on her L upper lip, scars on her L ankle and shin, chipped incisor tooth.

It appears that MJD had none of the above. Monique had auburn hair, not brown.

I think she is too old, and too many charecteristics that do not match, but that is JMO. The Doenetwork site indicates that someone saw her leaving with a white male, but Monique's sister believes some kind of foul play was involved with their stepfather.

 

[believe09]

DOB-1980, 4 inch scar running across her abdomen. Even accounting for shrinkage over time, that scar would have been evident at autopsy, so I think she is a no go, not to mention I do not think she looks at all like MJD-JMO. In 2003 someone called the family claiming to be Shannon and the family believed it was her. Then it turned out to be a hoax. What a world! They arrested the prankster...
http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster193.htm
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/29/se.07.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93423,00.html

 

[Zanko]

Good work Zanko-was this a non family abduction and do you know if there is DNA on file for Amber or prints?

The case is listed as non family abduction. I couldn't find anything about her DNA being on file. But her prints must be, because several years after her disappearance a girl was found in California (I believe) who was thought to be her. She was ruled out by comparing fingerprints.

 

[believe09]

The case is listed as non family abduction. I couldn't find anything about her DNA being on file. But her prints must be, because several years after her disappearance a girl was found in California (I believe) who was thought to be her. She was ruled out by comparing fingerprints.

Her prints must not be in AFIS or they would have ruled her out right away with MJD? FMW-is there a chance you can ask your LE Contact if MJD's prints are in AFIS and DNA in CODIS??

 

[Zanko]

In the police report it says that they took MJD's fingerprints. On the ME website it now says, "unavailable". I'm wondering if they were some how compromised? It'd be helpful to know one way or the other.

 

[Fairy1]

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/z/zaharias_lisa.html

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/silver_heather.html


I think Heather is too old to be MJD. She was already 18 went she went missing in 1997.

Because of the circumstances of Lisa's abduction, I can definitley understand why her mother would not have come forward to report her missing. That being said, Lisa's baby picture shows a strong resemblance to her mother, who is pictured below the case summary. I don't see MJD in her. Also, Lisa would only have been 13 and even though it's within the range, I think that's a bit too young for our MJD.

MOO!!!