Found Deceased MD - Rachel Morin, 37, left for walk on Ma & Pa Trail 6pm, car found at Williams St entrance, Bel Air, 5 Aug 2023 #2

[Knox]

Police struggle to find suspect in Rachel Morin’s death | Elizabeth Vargas Reports​

Good interview - towards the end, more interesting talk of the "arm".

 

[Iloveicarly]

I assumed his dna was on the young victim he assaulted. imo

same. However we really don’t know.
Speculation ~ if the dna wasn’t taken from the young victim herself is it safe to assume it was taken elsewhere in the house? perhaps if the perp entered through a window or back door dna could have been left behind on a door handle or broken window? did he injure himself whilst breaking in?

I’m not too sure how to quote another comment as I’m new to this but someone did say that the term ‘assault’ does not always mean it was physical. The DNA of the perp could very well have been taken from elsewhere within the property.

 

[Iloveicarly]

Good interview - towards the end, more interesting talk of the "arm".

“Has not been able to provide us with the identity of that person”

Interesting… there’s still no clarification that the person closing the door does NOT KNOW who the individual is. The sheriff also seemed to stumble on his words towards the end when asked that question.

It’s no surprise people are questioning the integrity of the LAPD since it’s obvious certain pieces of information/evidence is being withheld to the Harford County sheriff’s office.

Question is why?

 

[dotr]

Trying to think of a polite way to speculate about the assault on the young female, not necessarily considered sexual, but a degrading and odd act for a break and enter situation.

Elimination of 1 or 2 things.
speculation, imo, fwiw.

 

[OldCop]

Some folks are not understanding the differences between assault, battery, and sexual assault.

A charge of assault means the victim was put in fear of immediate danger or harm. This may include threats to harm or kill you, brandishing a weapon, swinging and missing etc. In other words you were very afraid at this moment. However, there is no physical contact.
Battery means there was actual physical contact.

Sexual assault in CA is often used interchangeably with sexual battery

California “Sexual Battery” Laws – Penal Code 243.4 PC​

In California, sexual battery is charged under penal code 243.4 pc making it a crime to touch the intimate body part of another without their consent for the purpose of sexual arousal, gratification, or abuse.

The touching may be accomplished directly, through the clothing of the defendant or the accuser. Moreover, there is no requirement that touching requires skin contact.[1] An intimate body part of another is:

• a female’s breast,
• anus,
• groin,
• sexual organ,
• Buttocks.[2]

Sexual battery can be charged as a felony or misdemeanor. If the defendant restrained the purported victim, then the prosecutor can charge the defendant with felony sexual battery. Misdemeanor sexual battery occurs when the defendant did not restrain the accuser.

California “Sexual Battery” Laws – Penal Code 243.4 PC

In California, sexual battery is charged under penal code 243.4 pc making it a crime to touch the intimate body part of another without their...

johndrogerslaw.com

Hope this helps when we are discussing what occurred in the LA case.

 

[justtrish]

I've been thinking about this CA case and thinking of possibilities. What if the initial crime was just the home invasion? What if they got DNA from that somehow.. maybe on a door or somewhere else in the house. Then there is the crime against Rachel and they get this DNA match in the system. So the police go back to the home where the home invasion occurs and they talk to them again and explain the seriousness with how this perp has now committed murder and there is a match.. maybe it's then that the people in the house report the assault of the girl. Maybe there was fear of coming forward before and it could be the initial crime reported was just a home invasion and maybe the police didn't have a sense of urgency because I'm sure in LA area there are many break ins, home invasions, etc. Maybe knowing that there is now a murder connected to this perp, it encouraged the victim to tell what actually happened in March. This is all just me thinking, nothing factual just opinions on possible reasons the initial crime in March wasn't seen as something urgent by a violent offender.

 

[Just K]

What's the connection between the three cities regarding to the POI.


We know an assault/home invasion occurred in March in Los Angles where the suspect left behind his DNA. We know Rachel was killed in Bel Air on August 5 and DNA from the suspect matched the LA suspects DNA. We know LE has traveled to Chicago, but we don't why and if there was a crime commited there we don't know when.


Both Los Angles and Chicago are big cities. Just a hunch but maybe the suspect was in a large city near Bel Air in early August for some reason. The closest large city from Bel Air would be Baltimore.

SO what's the connection between those three LARGE cities. Sporting event? Work related?

Maybe he’s a roadie with a band.

 

[Peppery]

Although I don’t really think the details of the LA crime are going to catch this guy. But as far as the DNA I think it’s more likely he left something in the house. We aren’t sure what he had on when he entered or what he carried when he left. Might his DNA been taken from a sock, glove, dropped undershirt, hat, etc? We do know the assault was not SA, so he may have threatened the young girl, or grabbed something roughly from her (maybe his dropped clothing) causing a scratch. Perhaps the victim or whoever reported it knows/suspects the perp was involved in another more serious crime so that’s why LA LE took the dna swab.

I think we could drive ourselves mad analyzing LA when focusing on the day off and days leading up to Rachel’s murder is likely going to yield better results. Moo

 

[Jurisprudence]

Although I don’t really think the details of the LA crime are going to catch this guy. But as far as the DNA I think it’s more likely he left something in the house. We aren’t sure what he had on when he entered or what he carried when he left. Might his DNA been taken from a sock, glove, dropped undershirt, hat, etc? We do know the assault was not SA, so he may have threatened the young girl, or grabbed something roughly from her (maybe his dropped clothing) causing a scratch. Perhaps the victim or whoever reported it knows/suspects the perp was involved in another more serious crime so that’s why LA LE took the dna swab.

I think we could drive ourselves mad analyzing LA when focusing on the day off and days leading up to Rachel’s murder is likely going to yield better results. Moo

I think they might. Here's why I think this. Imoo, I think it's pretty clear by now that the people who actually do know him aren't going to give him up. So, put out something new. They stated there were common elements/similarities at the scenes. Some additional details of that LA crime may hit with someone NOT in that circle and they may come forward.

It's worth a shot imo.

 

[nao]

Moo..was Rachel SA ed? I know her clothes were re-arranged, but person could of been hoping she had something of value in her clothes...moo

 

[Peppery]

It’s never been confirmed either way.

 

[Peppery]

Moo..was Rachel SA ed? I know her clothes were re-arranged, but person could of been hoping she had something of value in her clothes...moo

It’s never been confirmed either way

 

[Charlot123]

Trying to think of a polite way to speculate about the assault on the young female, not necessarily considered sexual, but a degrading and odd act for a break and enter situation.

Elimination of 1 or 2 things.
speculation, imo, fwiw.

And leaving DNA...

 

[Charlot123]

Some folks are not understanding the differences between assault, battery, and sexual assault.

A charge of assault means the victim was put in fear of immediate danger or harm. This may include threats to harm or kill you, brandishing a weapon, swinging and missing etc. In other words you were very afraid at this moment. However, there is no physical contact.
Battery means there was actual physical contact.

Sexual assault in CA is often used interchangeably with sexual battery

California “Sexual Battery” Laws – Penal Code 243.4 PC​

In California, sexual battery is charged under penal code 243.4 pc making it a crime to touch the intimate body part of another without their consent for the purpose of sexual arousal, gratification, or abuse.

The touching may be accomplished directly, through the clothing of the defendant or the accuser. Moreover, there is no requirement that touching requires skin contact.[1] An intimate body part of another is:

• a female’s breast,
• anus,
• groin,
• sexual organ,
• Buttocks.[2]

Sexual battery can be charged as a felony or misdemeanor. If the defendant restrained the purported victim, then the prosecutor can charge the defendant with felony sexual battery. Misdemeanor sexual battery occurs when the defendant did not restrain the accuser.

California “Sexual Battery” Laws – Penal Code 243.4 PC

In California, sexual battery is charged under penal code 243.4 pc making it a crime to touch the intimate body part of another without their...

johndrogerslaw.com

Hope this helps when we are discussing what occurred in the LA case.

OK but let's say a person holding a gun is also demonstrating his riches to someone else? To me, it is a sexual attack and the fact that he left the house half-dressed indicates something like it, too, but maybe the police thinks otherwise?

 

[Charlot123]

Moo..was Rachel SA ed? I know her clothes were re-arranged, but person could of been hoping she had something of value in her clothes...moo

I suspect it was some weird behavior but not technically rape. It left DNA and is probably some form of fetishism, hence they are talking about "similarities" and mentioning the Chicago attack. ETA: perhaps it is something that legally would fall under "lewd behavior" but definitely not something women would willingly ask for. I wonder why the murder...and thinking, maybe a child would respond in a more passive and scared way, while adult women usually hate exhibitionists and voyerists, IMHO. Did he have any scratches from RM? She had long nails, too. Asking because someone could have seen him with scratches, or he had to stay at home for a few days, or if he had to fly from MD somewhere else (not unlikely) the airport cameras might see a person in eyeglasses or with scratches on the face.

Has anyone considered the chance of him leaving MD almost immediately? In fear for what he's done? I think he is flying.

 

[TravelingBug]

Hadn't there been a more recent comment (maybe last 7-10 days) from MD authorities that aside from DNA there was another "tie" of sorts in terms of similarity of severity of the case in CA to this one?

And knowing CA wasn't a murder, obviously, I think something about the phrasing of that had also gotten some thinking maybe there was SA in both because people were struggling to come up with what parallels in severity there would be in a murder to a 459/assault aside from that.

I just can't recall the exact phrasing that it seems like I recall also had added to speculation about possible SA in both.

 

[Soulmagent]

Good interview - towards the end, more interesting talk of the "arm".

So 613 as a time stamp for good measure , and wow and Why did she not let him finish?

 

[Just K]

OK but let's say a person holding a gun is also demonstrating his riches to someone else? To me, it is a sexual attack and the fact that he left the house half-dressed indicates something like it, too, but maybe the police thinks otherwise?

It’s possible he was bleeding from his left hand or forearm and took his shirt off to wrap the injury. Maybe, he dropped blood somewhere in or outside of the house.

 

[OldCop]

Hadn't there been a more recent comment (maybe last 7-10 days) from MD authorities that aside from DNA there was another "tie" of sorts in terms of similarity of severity of the case in CA to this one?

And knowing CA wasn't a murder, obviously, I think something about the phrasing of that had also gotten some thinking maybe there was SA in both because people were struggling to come up with what parallels in severity there would be in a murder to a 459/assault aside from that.

I just can't recall the exact phrasing that it seems like I recall also had added to speculation about possible SA in both.

Gahler also said there were similarities between the incident in Los Angeles and the attack on Morin, a fitness enthusiast whose body was found on Aug. 6 in a wooded area near the Ma & Pa Heritage Trail.

“Criminals have habits,” Gahler said. “He did this thing in Los Angeles and there are some elements of that crime, which I can’t discuss, that are present in what happened here in Rachel’s homicide.”

Detectives pursue leads in LA, Chicago in Rachel Morin homicide case

 

[OldCop]

OK but let's say a person holding a gun is also demonstrating his riches to someone else? To me, it is a sexual attack and the fact that he left the house half-dressed indicates something like it, too, but maybe the police thinks otherwise?

LAPD Capt. Kelly Muniz said the video comes from a March 26 “hot prowler” burglary in South L.A., which means he burglarized an occupied home. Muniz said a person was assaulted in that incident, but it was not a sexual assault. Hartford County sheriff’s officials said the assault victim was a minor. LAPD collected DNA during the burglary investigation.

South L.A. prowler tied by DNA to slaying of mother of five in Maryland

A South L.A. burglar who was caught on a home security video has been tied by DNA to the slaying of a mother of five in Maryland.

www.latimes.com

RM can not tell us that her killer exposed himself or what else he did at the scene. One crime occurred inside and one was outside so it was not that. For LE to tell us that there are similarities between the two incidents tells me he left something behind at each scene. Was it bodily fluids? Maybe. Was it some sort of calling card? Maybe. We don’t know if he removed something as opposed to leaving something.
What if the clothes the LA suspect was carrying included something that was not his? A bra? Underwear? It is not uncommon for suspects to take trophies from scenes.