ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 3

[TorisMom003]

The mom said she talked with him prior to this appt. -- and at that time there was an issue of her wanting Ayla back and for dad to give up custody.

PRIOR to this phone conversation dad DID show up to all the doctor appts with Ayla.

I think there's reason to at least consider that dad didn't show up to this ONE appt because of something the mom may have said during the phone conversation the night before.

Links of transcripts of the mother answering questions veryifying she spoke with dad the night prior to the appt - and her stating that dad had been at all the previous appts are in the media thread.

This is incorrect information based on what we have been told so far. The father has missed at least 2 dr appointments for shots and/or check-ups. Then the father missed a very important bone specialist appointment.

If mom was incorrect in this information that she was putting out there about the father, I feel sure that in one of his statements to the media that he would have corrected it.

MOO

 

[jadejazzkayla]

I think they mean 'foul play'---as in she was kidnapped.... imoo

sbm...I agree.

LE changing the baby's classification from "missing" to "evidence of foul play", to me, means that LE or the DA feels that the baby did not wander away on her own. If she had, I think LE feels she would have been found by now and since she hasn't - that alone can equal "evidence of foul play".

 

[TorisMom003]

Mom has been on a media blitz to bash dad but I have yet to see her upset, shaken, or pleading for her daughter or for help to find her daughter.

I am so on the fence with this one its not even funny. No, actually it feels more like I'm on a see-saw..........

Why would she plead for her daughter or for help to find her daughter when she (and apparently LE) believes that the father is the one responsible. It is not as if a stranger came in and took Ayla. Mom's emotions are getting the best of her at times and I for one can not blame her. If something happened to one of my daughters while on my ex's watch, and I knew that things were hinky before it happened, I wouldn't be begging and pleading on national tv for my daughter. I would be in a jail cell after beating the carp out of my ex until he gave up the information about where my daughter was, what happened to her, and why he did this or allowed this to happen.

MOO

 

[NFYIAMY]

Ok - I totally see the other side of this - and like I've said a bunch of times I go back and forth on which way I think this is gonna go - but I do think there's as much likely hood as someone on the mother's side having something to do with this as on the father's side BASED on what we know as FACT (which is actually not a whole lot). There are lots of 'fill in the gaps' on things as well.......

 

[LvsAMystry]

Ok - I totally see the other side of this - and like I've said a bunch of times I go back and forth on which way I think this is gonna go - but I do think there's as much likely hood as someone on the mother's side having something to do with this as on the father's side BASED on what we know as FACT (which is actually not a whole lot). There are lots of 'fill in the gaps' on things as well.......

I agree with this. We know little by way of real facts, but by what facts we know or that I've seen and barring outside involvement, which I doubt, JD had physical custody of Ayla and access so it makes sense that he's more likely the person responsible for whatever has happened. OTOH TR has so much more to gain from Ayla being taken if thats the case. Looking at facts rather than allegations (ie bruises etc) we have a parent who moved back home to provide presumably more stable home environment than the one with TR who clearly had an issue with alcohol and lives in a motel. She needs him to be unfit in other ways. Unfortunately we don't know the truth of anything else, which is why I agree at this point with what little information is fact, I'm torn.

 

[tlcya]

I dont think either parent has been asked not to speak publicly about Aylas case or plead for her return. I do think each may have been asked to limit their statements regarding one another. I think dad has been better about this than mom. If my child were missing and the things reported by mom are true (bruises, lack of contact, etc) I can see my own self having difficulty holding my tongue in that scenerio.

I think mom has been asked to stay away from the home and the searches because there is obviously a possible contentious custody issue involved and LE does not need the distraction of playing referee between mom and dad.

Just some thoughts on POSSIBLE explanations for some of the things being discussed.

 

[cluciano63]

Again, as I said last night, I just hope she is found, and soon. I do not believe she is alive, unfortunately. I don't think that either of these parents are sophisticated enough to have arranged an abduction that would continue to elude LE, including the FBI, for this amount of time. Nor what would be gained, in the long run, as surely the abducting parent would lose custody for good, once discovered. (not saying they are thinking that far ahead, but still...)

When LE says "foul play" and "evidence" and continues to inspect the home of the custodial parent, that is where my suspicions lie, until further information. Or at least someone he brought into the home. JMO

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Clu: I'm confused too but it does sound like what Trista has been saying. Why did JD go to the police first to pick up Ayla though? Did he think he would run up against resistance? This sounds ugly to me. Trista felt bamboozled by this I guess.

I think that I would, too. It kind of goes along with what hambirg and Di were saying the other day about how people can feel really railroaded by cps safety plans, IMO.

 

[Indy Anna]

IIRC, the children's bedroom was in the attic. I just can't imagine anyone outside of the home breaking in, sneaking up to the attic, snatching a toddler, creeping back downstairs with the toddler, and then back outside without waking any of the adults. Neighbors heard a car next door in the middle of the night; why didn't the residents of the house hear it? A non-resident abductor would need to know when all of the adults living in the house were in bed; figure out a way of breaking in without making a lot of noise; somehow snatch a child out of the bed without waking her (which would certainly result in her crying) or waking the other sleeping child (who would be as likely to make a big commotion upon hearing someone in the room); and leaving through the door without waking anyone in the household. Not to mention, how did an abductor do all of this in the middle of the night without turning on lights, which would likely awaken someone? I don't how old the house is or what condition it's in, but the house where I grew up had a creaky staircase and creaky floorboards upstairs. I don't even remember being in a newer house (or apartment, for that matter) where you couldn't hear someone walking overhead. With all of this in consideration, IMO it was an inside job.

 

[LvsAMystry]

Again, as I said last night, I just hope she is found, and soon. I do not believe she is alive, unfortunately. I don't think that either of these parents are sophisticated enough to have arranged an abduction that would continue to elude LE, including the FBI, for this amount of time. Nor what would be gained, in the long run, as surely the abducting parent would lose custody for good, once discovered. (not saying they are thinking that far ahead, but still...)

When LE says "foul play" and "evidence" and continues to inspect the home of the custodial parent, that is where my suspicions lie, until further information. Or at least someone he brought into the home. JMO

As much as I hate it, I see what you're saying. It does seem with more time passing and no Ayla, along with the unlikelihood of stranger abduction, the worst outcome becomes the likely possibility.

 

[Indy Anna]

I agree with this. We know little by way of real facts, but by what facts we know or that I've seen and barring outside involvement, which I doubt, JD had physical custody of Ayla and access so it makes sense that he's more likely the person responsible for whatever has happened. OTOH TR has so much more to gain from Ayla being taken if thats the case. Looking at facts rather than allegations (ie bruises etc) we have a parent who moved back home to provide presumably more stable home environment than the one with TR who clearly had an issue with alcohol and lives in a motel. She needs him to be unfit in other ways. Unfortunately we don't know the truth of anything else, which is why I agree at this point with what little information is fact, I'm torn.

BBM If TR arranged to have Ayla abducted just to make JD look like an unfit parent, it seems she would have reported her suspicions about Ayla's bruises and the recent broken arm to CPS. That would make more sense to me because, with so much attention on Ayla's disappearance, TR will never be able to see her daughter again if she is responsible for this.

TR was the one who stipulated that JD move in with his mother before agreeing to give him temporary custody of Ayla. Obviously, she was already suspicious of JD but not sure enough to accuse him outright of abuse; but she felt Ayla would be safe in a home with other adults present. IMO, TR has been looking out for her daughter's welfare all along.

 

[LvsAMystry]

BBM If TR arranged to have Ayla abducted just to make JP look like an unfit parent, it seems she would have reported her suspicions about Ayla's bruises and the recent broken arm to CPS. That would make more sense to me because, with so much attention on Ayla's disappearance, TR will never be able to see her daughter again if she is responsible for this.

TR was the one who stipulated that JP move in with his mother before agreeing to give him temporary custody of Ayla. Obviously, she was already suspicious of JP but not sure enough to accuse him outright of abuse; but she felt Ayla would be safe in a home with other adults present. IMO, TR has been looking out for her daughter's welfare all along.

Agreed if all that is true, but how is it fact? All of these things are from one source and one source only and none are confirmed outside of that source. My only thing is I feel anything/anyone is possible until more facts are known, although it's harder to put this as an abduction as time goes on yes.

 

[cluciano63]

I have never been comfortable with the idea that no one looked in on these babies for 11-13 hours, depending upon which version it to be believed. I've read all of the posts about babies sleeping peacefully for 12 hours at a stretch, etc...but still, cannot imagine not peeking in at them to make sure blankets are in place, etc. at the very least...with a young mother and a grandma in the house, it kind of defies belief TO ME.

 

[momshrink]

With all due respect, it seems that most, if not all, information about dad and ayla is coming from mom. We don't know how objective her perspective is. LE has asked parents to talk to them, not the media. This is not a legal order, but a request so that LE can work with the best circumstances. Dad seems to be following this. We do not know much about dad. He could be college educated or a high school drop out. We do know that mom does not like him very much.
We do not know if this child really had bruises and we do not know how she broke her arm. One of my kids broke his arm when he was two with me about 20 inches away. And I am a smothering mom! I missed a Dr appointment earlier this week for my 12 year old.
The party seems to have been a family gathering with the sisters boyfriend and dads girlfriend. That does not sound sinister.
The child disappeared which means she was taken. Someone was familiar with the house and may have known where keys were hidden. Or it could have been someone in the house who abducted this child.
If my child disappeared, you would not see me on tv. I would be unable to stand up and would not be able to restrain my emotions.
We want to see and hear from dad and his family. That does not mean we should. LE will solve this, I think they are closer than we think.
Our Florida trial provided such great entertainment, we now expect it. And that is sad.

 

[Pugnolia]

Merriam-Webster Dictionary - Definition of Foul Play:


foul play: noun

1
the intentional and unlawful taking of another person's life <the coroner ruled that there was no evidence of foul play>

Synonyms: blood, foul play, murder, rubout, slaying

Related Words: chance-medley, killing, manslaughter; bloodshed, butchery, carnage, decimation, destruction, massacre, slaughter; assassination, execution, hit; euthanasia, mercy killing; filicide, fratricide, matricide, parricide, patricide, regicide, uxoricide

2
the use of brute strength to cause harm to a person or property <the suspect has a long history of foul play, and was once convicted on assault and battery charges>

Synonyms: force, foul play

Related Words: coercion, compulsion, constraint, duress, pressure; barbarity, brutality, savagery; damage, detriment, harm, hurt, impairment, injury; crippling, maiming, mayhem, mutilation; assault, attack, bashing, battering, battery, batting, beating, belting, bludgeoning, buffeting, clubbing, cudgeling (or cudgelling), drubbing, flogging, hammering, lacing, licking, mauling, paddling, pelting, pommeling (or pommelling), pounding, pummeling (also pummelling), smashing, socking, thrashing, thumping, tromping, walloping, whaling, whipping; frenzy, fury, onslaught, outbreak, outrage, paroxysm, rage, rampage, revolt, riot, rupture, shock, storm, terror, threat, tumult, turbulence, upheaval, uproar; browbeating, bulldozing, bullying, hectoring, strong-arming

 

[cluciano63]

Merriam-Webster Dictionary - Definition of Foul Play:


foul play: noun

1
the intentional and unlawful taking of another person's life <the coroner ruled that there was no evidence of foul play>

Synonyms: blood, foul play, murder, rubout, slaying

Related Words: chance-medley, killing, manslaughter; bloodshed, butchery, carnage, decimation, destruction, massacre, slaughter; assassination, execution, hit; euthanasia, mercy killing; filicide, fratricide, matricide, parricide, patricide, regicide, uxoricide

2
the use of brute strength to cause harm to a person or property <the suspect has a long history of foul play, and was once convicted on assault and battery charges>

Synonyms: force, foul play

Related Words: coercion, compulsion, constraint, duress, pressure; barbarity, brutality, savagery; damage, detriment, harm, hurt, impairment, injury; crippling, maiming, mayhem, mutilation; assault, attack, bashing, battering, battery, batting, beating, belting, bludgeoning, buffeting, clubbing, cudgeling (or cudgelling), drubbing, flogging, hammering, lacing, licking, mauling, paddling, pelting, pommeling (or pommelling), pounding, pummeling (also pummelling), smashing, socking, thrashing, thumping, tromping, walloping, whaling, whipping; frenzy, fury, onslaught, outbreak, outrage, paroxysm, rage, rampage, revolt, riot, rupture, shock, storm, terror, threat, tumult, turbulence, upheaval, uproar; browbeating, bulldozing, bullying, hectoring, strong-arming

Yikes...

 

[LCoastMom]

I have never been comfortable with the idea that no one looked in on these babies for 11-13 hours, depending upon which version it to be believed. I've read all of the posts about babies sleeping peacefully for 12 hours at a stretch, etc...but still, cannot imagine not peeking in at them to make sure blankets are in place, etc. at the very least...with a young mother and a grandma in the house, it kind of defies belief TO ME.

Priorities. Drugs, alcohol or your baby.

 

[gitana1]

I hope the New Year brings resolution (and punishment) to the terrible cases we've seen this year. Have to wonder that someone in Florida didn't start a trend.

I remember reading way back about a neighbor that said her dog was awoken by noises in the middle of that night. I would like to know more about that, where was she in relation to the shed (I thought the article said she lived behind the father) and if it's related in any way. Were there tools used from the shed to commit a crime? Was the baby at one point in the shed and dogs hit on something there? I wish these cases would come to some resolution, no matter how sad.

And I don't buy that the father could have no way known about the custody filing, don't buy that for a second.

Why not? If indeed she filed the day before, she still has to serve the father. Usually, you have to file motions and get a court date before you can notify the other side. The exception to that is when it is an emergency filing and then the other side is usually given about 24 hours notice to come to court.

I wonder what the big thing taken from the house is. Maybe its the bed, and they will look closer for fibers or hair. IDK. Now that the cars are return, do you think that means they are satisfied that she was not dead in the car? Gosh I really can't think of the right way to ask that question. Ok maybe, would they return the vehicles if they knew it was part of her disappearance? She is so sweet, with her big blue eyes, and her little teeth popping in. I can only imagine either an accident at home or someone took her. I can't imagine killed by her parent.

Sadly, parents kill children just this adorable, every single day. An average of 1,560 children die each year due to abuse or neglect in our country. Almost 80% of those kids were under the age of four: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm10/cm10.pdf#page=70

Ok - I totally see the other side of this - and like I've said a bunch of times I go back and forth on which way I think this is gonna go - but I do think there's as much likely hood as someone on the mother's side having something to do with this as on the father's side BASED on what we know as FACT (which is actually not a whole lot). There are lots of 'fill in the gaps' on things as well.......

The facts are that the child was last seen at father's house. She was in his custody when she disappeared. There were a bunch of people there "partying" the night she went missing and they state that no one checked on her for HOURS. Parental kidnappings usually take place during visitation or custodial time. I can't think of one case where a parent broke into another parent's home, at night, during a party, when there were tons of people over, and stole their child out of the room, with no one seeing them.

Dad apparently had little contact with Ayla until he was given the full time care of her. She suffered a broken arm recently and may have had bruises in his care. It is no stretch to surmise that he could not handle her care and/or was not very bonded and hurt her. But, it is a stretch to imagine that the mother, who claims to have just filed for a change in custody the day before, managed to sneak in, steal her baby from a house full of people, without being seen, and then keep her live child hidden. It's also a stretch to imagine that anyone else stole Ayla for purposes of custodial interference and has managed to keep her hidden while alive, for two weeks, despite a frantic search.

The most obvious explanation is usually the correct one.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary - Definition of Foul Play:


foul play: noun

1
the intentional and unlawful taking of another person's life <the coroner ruled that there was no evidence of foul play>

Synonyms: blood, foul play, murder, rubout, slaying

Related Words: chance-medley, killing, manslaughter; bloodshed, butchery, carnage, decimation, destruction, massacre, slaughter; assassination, execution, hit; euthanasia, mercy killing; filicide, fratricide, matricide, parricide, patricide, regicide, uxoricide

2
the use of brute strength to cause harm to a person or property <the suspect has a long history of foul play, and was once convicted on assault and battery charges>

Synonyms: force, foul play

Related Words: coercion, compulsion, constraint, duress, pressure; barbarity, brutality, savagery; damage, detriment, harm, hurt, impairment, injury; crippling, maiming, mayhem, mutilation; assault, attack, bashing, battering, battery, batting, beating, belting, bludgeoning, buffeting, clubbing, cudgeling (or cudgelling), drubbing, flogging, hammering, lacing, licking, mauling, paddling, pelting, pommeling (or pommelling), pounding, pummeling (also pummelling), smashing, socking, thrashing, thumping, tromping, walloping, whaling, whipping; frenzy, fury, onslaught, outbreak, outrage, paroxysm, rage, rampage, revolt, riot, rupture, shock, storm, terror, threat, tumult, turbulence, upheaval, uproar; browbeating, bulldozing, bullying, hectoring, strong-arming

I was just going to post the same thing.

 

[Yoda]

I can see LE asking families to not talk about the case/evidence or make accusations but I do not think LE would have a problem with family members speaking to media about how much they love their child, miss them and want them home. This is where I have a major problem with dad and his family. I have not seen, and correct me if I am wrong, Ayla's paternal gmom and aunt publicly acknowledge that Ayla is missing let alone identify themselves as even a relative.

 

[askfornina]

found this on a public FB page, got permission to post it from mods. JD when he was young. doesn't have any bearing on the investigation, i just wanted to post this because he looks just like Ayla.

ugh. i hope they find this child soon.