ME - Lewiston, Mass Shooting, Multiple Scenes - Oct 2023

[Inthedetails]

I’m a little confused on the suspected means of escape…car found at Pejepepscot boat ramp of Androscoggin river- seems logical he got in a watercraft. Media has reported he has a 15 ft bayliner that is unaccounted for and that he has a sea-doo jet ski registered in his name - though I have seen no report on whether that jet ski is accounted for or not. I saw somewhere that said he had a motorcycle and could have had it parked at the boat ramp to throw off LE & cause them to think he was on the river.

Can anyone point me to any info on whether the jet ski has been located? Or if anything about the motorcycle has been confirmed?

Also, is there any indication whether he typically had the boat or jet ski at his home or docked somewhere or anything?

And are there any pics of the boat or jet ski? It seems to me that if LE really thinks he may have escaped on a watercraft pics of those would be all over the media urging people to look for them and yet I haven’t seen any - though I did see something that indicated either the sea doo or the boat was green.

I think that one reporter covering this needs to slow down and get the facts straight and report them to inform the public correctly.

There are reports that the Coast Guard is searching so that does indicate watercraft as a possibility. Nothing is confirmed about how he escaped because he remains on the run, imo.

Coast Guard deploys ship, plane to search for Maine shooting suspect's boat

A law enforcement source told CBS News that shooting suspect Robert Card's vehicle was found near a boat launch.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[aafromaa]

There is a dam upsteam as well as downstream. I highly doubt he went by boat at the boat dock. I think it was a decoy

So you think he had another vehicle there? Perhaps the motorcycle? Or that he left on foot?

 

[aafromaa]

There are reports that the Coast Guard is searching so that does indicate watercraft as a possibility. Nothing is confirmed about how he escaped because he remains on the run, imo.

Coast Guard deploys ship, plane to search for Maine shooting suspect's boat

A law enforcement source told CBS News that shooting suspect Robert Card's vehicle was found near a boat launch.

www.cbsnews.com

I agree they cannot confirm but if I lived around that area and there was a possibility that he was on the river, I would sure like to know what his boat and/or jet ski looked like so I could keep my eye out for it.

 

[Elley Mae]

I’m a little confused on the suspected means of escape…car found at Pejepepscot boat ramp of Androscoggin river- seems logical he got in a watercraft. Media has reported he has a 15 ft bayliner that is unaccounted for and that he has a sea-doo jet ski registered in his name - though I have seen no report on whether that jet ski is accounted for or not. I saw somewhere that said he had a motorcycle and could have had it parked at the boat ramp to throw off LE & cause them to think he was on the river.

Can anyone point me to any info on whether the jet ski has been located? Or if anything about the motorcycle has been confirmed?

Also, is there any indication whether he typically had the boat or jet ski at his home or docked somewhere or anything?

And are there any pics of the boat or jet ski? It seems to me that if LE really thinks he may have escaped on a watercraft pics of those would be all over the media urging people to look for them and yet I haven’t seen any - though I did see something that indicated either the sea doo or the boat was green.

I think that one reporter covering this needs to slow down and get the facts straight and report them to inform the public correctly.

According to this he has a sea doo, 15 foot boat, motorcycle.

Coast Guard deploys ship, plane to search for Maine shooting suspect's boat

A law enforcement source told CBS News that shooting suspect Robert Card's vehicle was found near a boat launch.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[LaborDayRN]

Also from link.

Card is enlisted in the U.S. Army Reserve, where he has served as a petroleum supply specialist since 2002, and has an active military ID, which gives him access to any military base, according to the law enforcement bulletin.

I personally don't think he would try to enter a base. I would think there would be some type of name alert along with a photo at military base entrances for safety reasons. JMO

 

[aafromaa]

Another reason I was asking about whether RC was known to keep his boat & jet ski at home or at a dock is that the car in the pics appears to be found in a parking spot and didn’t have a boat or jet ski trailer attached - really couldn’t tell if it had a trailer hitch or not from pics I saw - but the fact that it was in a parking spot says to me either he had a boat slip at a dock (for boat or jet ski or both) or he left on foot or in/on another vehicle (perhaps the motorcycle) or someone picked him up and I don’t think that’s much of a possibility. I’m also not sure that if one has just killed and injured 30 people and is running from the law that you bother to park your car if you are heading to a boat or jet ski in a boat slip - might be more likely to pull up as close as possible and jump out of the car and leave it there. Also I’ve seen no indication that this boat launch area also had a boat dock with slips for rent or anything. So as Justice101 said, it may have been a decoy. Or perhaps he just had one of his watercraft parked at that launch for the getaway but if so there should be a trailer somewhere, shouldn’t there? And wouldn’t a boat or jet ski trailer without a vehicle attached at a boat launch stick out like a store thumb?

 

[technicallymissing]

The point is, with what is known already about the shootings, I doubt his planning would have stopped at him wanting to go into the woods in Maine and just hunker down. His escape plan was probably "crazy" complicated and extremely well thought out. When you get crazy... sometimes it's maniacally crazy. Those poor poor victims did not have a chance.

I personally think he is hundreds of miles away from Maine.

(respectfully snipped) I think this is such a good point, Justice. I'm worried about this too. This is so different from something like when BL killed Gabby Petito- his escape from his parents' house was panicked and haphazard. This shooter seems prepared in all the worst ways. I've been reading in MSM there is a Canadian border alert for him now. 36 hours to get that done and Lewiston is only 130 miles from Canada. I don't know. I really hope they find him soon.

 

[waldojabba]

I personally don't think he would try to enter a base. I would think there would be some type of name alert along with a photo at military base entrances for safety reasons. JMO

The thought floating in the back of my mind is that I suppose its also a possiblity that as a reservist, he has an uniform/outfit he could wear that would make him look like he was one of the searchers and that he could easily blend in and get past them.
<modsnip - no link> JMO

 

[flowershop]

Just watched the presser by Mr. Sauschuck. They will use divers and sonar near the boat launch area.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

Divers to search waters near dock where his car was found (screenshot included as the link to their index doesn't always go to the most recent article):

October 27, 2023 news on the Maine shootings investigation

The Lewiston, Maine, shooting rampage suspect was found dead Friday night, police said, about 48 hours after the attack that left 18 dead and 13 wounded.

www.cnn.com

 

[Moonstrawbs]

Officials asked whether suspect may have killed himself​

Public safety commissioner Mike Sauschuck is taking questions now and is asked whether the suspect could be dead.
He says police still "don't have him located" and there are multiple "options on the table" as for what has happened.
Mr Sauschuk says officials want to check all the options.

Maine shooting - latest: Suspected gunman Robert Card believed to have died from self-inflicted gunshot wound

Suspected gunman Robert Card has been found dead after 18 people were shot dead at a bowling alley and bar in Maine on Wednesday night.

news.sky.com

 

[Leilei]

The thought floating in the back of my mind is that I suppose its also a possiblity that as a reservist, he has an uniform/outfit he could wear that would make him look like he was one of the searchers and that he could easily blend in and get past them.
<no link> JMO

He would have to show his ID to get on base, uniform or not. He would literally be in custody the minute he tried to gain access (or worse).
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JMO

 

[branmuffin]

When I went to be I really thought I’d wake up to him being caught - when CNN were streaming LE outside the house

I really hope he is caught soon - MOO is that he’s killed himself in the water the problem with this is that water can be hard to search and it may take weeks to find the body. Which obviously gives no peace to the people of Maine as until he is found they will not be sure if he’s still on the run.

I just can't imagine the heightened fear of the unknown for the citizens of these communities. They will be suffering from PTSD for a long time if there is no closure as to his status. It worries me that the heightened stress level could trigger some other crime where the fear of the unknown could result in reactive measures.

 

[Betty P]

The thought floating in the back of my mind is that I suppose its also a possiblity that as a reservist, he has an uniform/outfit he could wear that would make him look like he was one of the searchers and that he could easily <modsnip - no link> JMO

JMO I think he's getting help. He planned the shootings and escape in advance.

 

[mcmlxxix]

I think the boat was a decoy to tie up more early LE time while he drove further away

I think this is a reasonable possibility. I don't think the Androscoggin river is passable very far south because of the numerous dams (without locks/bypasses) along the way. He wouldn't have been able to go more than two miles downstream, and not at all upstream (from that particular boat launch). Perhaps he left the motorcycle at that boat launch, launched his boat on the Kennebec river, drove back up to Lisbon and left the white vehicle, then headed back to his boat and ditched the bike. I'm reaching, I know, but he did have I believe over 3 hours of lead time before they found his car (or maybe it wasn't there yet).

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

I just can't imagine the heightened fear of the unknown for the citizens of these communities. They will be suffering from PTSD for a long time if there is no closure as to his status. It worries me that that heightened stress level could trigger some other crime where the fear of the unknown could result in reactive measures.

I know. Look at the recent Danelo Cavalcante case (he escaped from a Chester County, PA prison, and wasn't caught for about 2 weeks). Even though there were sightings of Danelo and technology detected him a few times, so they knew roughly where he was at times, the residents in that perimeter must have been terrified. That's an awfully long time to live in fear.

 

[Elley Mae]

Looking at maps and lots of streets closed on north side of lisbon center where the Sabattus river runs.

 

[thelesis]

Also from link.

Card is enlisted in the U.S. Army Reserve, where he has served as a petroleum supply specialist since 2002, and has an active military ID, which gives him access to any military base, according to the law enforcement bulletin.

Okay, I gotta ask: is a 'petroleum supply specialist' a fancy way to say he refills gas tanks? Like, my opinion of his capabilities as a soldier and and general work ability changes based on whether or not he's been a fancy gas station attendant or if he's been, say, in charge of coordinating petroleum orders across an entire base including budgeting and quality control across vendors.

 

[branmuffin]

So devasting. And so sad that the family couldn't get information.

We have to ask ourselves why did it take so long for identification to take place. I think authorities have a habit of 'protecting' the general public from the catastrophic injuries victims receive from high powered weapons. Decapitation, traumatic amputations and unrecognizable body parts are why. Maybe these types of things should be made public. You can't hurt the family members anymore than they already have been.

 

[Elley Mae]

Okay, I gotta ask: is a 'petroleum supply specialist' a fancy way to say he refills gas tanks? Like, my opinion of his capabilities as a soldier and and general work ability changes based on whether or not he's been a fancy gas station attendant or if he's been, say, in charge of coordinating petroleum orders across an entire base including budgeting and quality control across vendors.

Petroleum Supply Specialist | U.S. Army

In this job, you’ll supply the Army with the fuel it needs to maintain a state of readiness at all times. You’ll supervise and manage the reception, storage, and shipping of bulk or packaged petroleum-based products.

www.goarmy.com