MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* #3

[Lux et Veritas]

Clear backpacks... that's like a band-aid that's way too small.

Agreed. Clear backpacks are pretty much useless, feel-good optics. A handgun (or other small weapon) could easily be hidden among other items. Not to mention it's winter and weapons can be well-hidden in jackets, coats, boots.

 

[TristanP]

I agree on the detectors AND I think that in this day and age with guns so available that I can't find a way around it. This school didn't think they had an issue. Humans make mistakes in judgment. From this perspective, clear backpacks and all of the other measures will not keep a gun out of a school if a bad actor wants to get one in. I hate to say it but it is true. IMHO.

This school didn’t *want* to think they had an issue. That kid could have been sitting in front of the principal with a T-shirt on that said “I’m going to shoot up the school after lunch” and it wouldn’t have changed the outcome. Maybe the principal would have asked him to turn it inside out before he went back to class after his parents “declined” to take him home.

 

[borndem]

Agreed. Clear backpacks are pretty much useless, feel-good optics. A handgun (or other small weapon) could easily be hidden among other items. Not to mention it's winter and weapons can be well-hidden in jackets, coats, boots.

That's so true. Metal detectors would "find" those weapons, and they would deter some students from carrying a metal weapon into the building. Not a cure-all, but it's a start...

 

[MimosaMornings]

Museums, libraries, stadiums - have metal detectors. Four of the grands are elementary school age and don’t hesitate or seem the least bit concerned to go through one.
I don’t think clear backpacks will be much of a deterrent.
JMO

 

[Murphy1950]

I don’t think clear backpacks will be much of a deterrent.
JMO

RSBM

Clear backpacks are definitely a deterrent for carrying your weapon in your backpack. However carrying it in your lunch bag, hollowed book and under the pant leg/clothes is AOK!

This school didn’t *want* to think they had an issue.

Our next step on the denial train...clear backpacks

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I can imagine clear backpacks causing a lot of confusion for students unless they are kept with the owner at all times. Students can easily identify a backpack that they're familiar with just like we identify our luggage on the carousel at an airport. When everyone's backpack looks the same, there is bound to be confusion at times. JMO

 

[borndem]

Maybe the admins will add that the clear b-packs must have the student's initials or something... but what if there are duplicate initials? Probably should require padlocks with keys or numbers or, even better, voice recognition...

 

[Kristin Esq.]

Just popping in with a reminder:

Ethan Crumbley:
January 7 @ 9:00AM - Probable Cause Conference

Jennifer and James Crumbley:
January 7, @ 1:15pm - Hearing on Bail Reduction

 

[lake daze]

We frequently attend basketball games and we can only bring clear bags instead of large purses. We also must go through a metal detector. It's amazing that people still can sneak in small metal flasks to drink during the game. I see them all over the gym. Girls are allowed to bring small purses, which are not clear, but I assume that's because of monthly issues that girls deal with.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Clear backpacks required for some students after deadly Michigan school shooting (nbcnews.com)

Oxford Community Schools will have private security, therapy dogs, counselors and trauma specialists in all buildings, Superintendent Tim Throne said.

Some students in the Michigan school district where the deadly Oxford High School shooting took place will be required to carry clear backpacks starting Monday.

“We are doing clear backpacks for middle schools ... and high school students when they return,” Oxford Community Schools Superintendent Tim Throne said in a video message to parents.

The backpacks will be provided to students upon their return, according to the superintendent’s statement. Elementary school students won’t be required to use clear backpacks but their backpacks must be kept in their lockers or cubbies all day.

The school district has introduced a number of new security measures in the wake of the Nov. 30 shooting in the Detroit suburb that killed four students...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

House launches safety task force after Oxford shooting. What it hopes to do (detroitnews.com)

A bipartisan task force in the Michigan House will study safety in schools and policy solutions they hope will help prevent further violence in the wake of the Nov. 30 Oxford High School shooting.

The eight-member task force will look at practical ways to improve safety protocols at schools as well as ways to assess and improve student mental health.

The committee hopes to have recommendations within the first few months of 2022.

"Outside of Oxford, I think everyone can see just the tremendous increase in demand for school mental health help," said Rep. Luke Meerman, R-Coopersville. "It was there before COVID, and just has been exacerbated by COVID."...

 

[Kristin Esq.]

Probable Cause Conference at 9am. If someone has a link handy for the stream, can you please post it? I'll be looking for a stream as the time gets closer as well.

 

[Kristin Esq.]

Live stream: Court hearing for Oxford High School mass shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley

 

[Kristin Esq.]

January 7, 2022, 9AM - Probable Cause Hearing for Ethan Crumbley:

It seems to be starting late because there is no Jail connection.

The Court recieved a written waiver of the prelimiary exam. The court is confirming that Ethan is waiving his right to the preliminary exam. He is automatically bound over to the Circuit Court.

Court confirmed that the prosecutor agreed to the waiver.

As it relates to bond: Will be addressed within 2 weeks before the Oakland County Circuit Court due to a newly enacted law.

This court loses jurisdiction and it goes to the Oakland County Circuit Court.

 

[Sundog]

Does anyone know what the new federal law is regarding bail, and why the prosecution and defence attorneys need 2 weeks to review that law before they can have a bond hearing?

 

[Kristin Esq.]

Does anyone know what the new federal law is regarding bail, and why the prosecution and defence attorneys need 2 weeks to review that law before they can have a bond hearing?

I don't know what it is yet, I can look it up later. But I think the 2 weeks also has to do with getting a hearing on calendar at the circuit court.

ETA: The circuit court couldn't schedule the hearing yet because they didn't have jurisdiction over the matter. Now that EC has been bonded over, they can set the hearing.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Accused Oxford High shooter Ethan Crumbley headed to trial (detroitnews.com)

Rochester Hills — Accused Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley waived his probable cause hearing Friday.

Crumbley, 15, also waived the preliminary examination that would have followed and will now head to trial at Oakland County Circuit Court.

The hearing lasted about five minutes.

“Has anybody threatened you or promised you anything to waive your right to a preliminary exam?” Judge Nancy Carniak asked.

“No,” Crumbley said...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Oxford High School mass shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley bound over to trial (clickondetroit.com)

15-year-old faces 24 charges in connection with deadly mass shooting at high school

Ethan Crumbley appeared via video conference Friday to continue his probable cause conference in court.

The 15-year-old is accused of opening fire inside Oxford High School on Nov. 30, killing four students and wounding seven other people.

Crumbley waived his right to a preliminary hearing Friday and Judge Nancy T. Carniak automatically bound him over to circuit court for trial as charged. A trial date will be set by the circuit court...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Oxford High School shooting suspect, parents expected in court on Friday: What to know (clickondetroit.com)

Parents request bond be lowered

OAKLAND COUNTY, Mich. – Friday is a crucial day in the Oxford High School shooting case as the accused shooter and his parents are all due in court.

Four students were killed and seven other people were injured in a shooting at Oxford High School on Nov. 30, 2021.

Ethan Crumbley will be in court for a probable cause conference while his parents Jennifer and James Crumbley will be in court attempting to get their bond reduced...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Parents' bond hearing at 1:00PM (Eastern) today.

Live stream: Bond hearing for parents of suspected Oxford High School shooter (clickondetroit.com)