MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* #3

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January 7, 2022 - James and Jennifer's Motion to Reconsider bond amount.

It seems to have started mid argument unfortunately.

Defense attorneys claim that they have spoken to their clients about extramarital affairs.

Ethan's journal says "I have to find where dad hides the firearm."

Parents were unaware of Ethan's torture of a bird.

Asking to reduce bond to 100K cash or surety.

Prosecution Argument:
One of the underlying factors is flight risk. ONe thing to consider is ties to the community. James had employment with Door Dash, and Jennifer's employment has been terminated. All of the items are going into storage, their home is going on the market, their horses are going up for sale. They drained their son's bank account. They had multiple phones, some of which they gave their numbers to LE, other's were not.

Prosecutor is going through the events of the C's hiding from being arrested. When taken into custody, they had $6600 in cash, burner phones, tons of credit cards and gift cards, and Jennifer's SS card. They fled to another county. There was a police station across the street from their hotel.

As to the likelihood of conviction: They committed these crimes by either grossly negligent in their storing of firearms, or bad parents (simply). As far back as March 2021, he would text his mother that there was a demon or a ghost in the house. He tortued animals at the family home. He filmed these on hisp hone. The head of the bird was displayed in his room. he searched school shootings and guns on his phone, that he recieved spam email about mental health. His parents didn't intervene. They didn't investigate phone or browser history. In August of 2021, he mentioned shooting up a school and then had written jk jk jk. The evidence shows that the firearm was bought for Ethan. Ethan stopped doing school work and was surprised that his parents didn't seem to know or care. The teacher caught him looking up the ammunition the day before the shooting.

As the prosecutor talks about how the school told the parents that EC needed therapy, Jenifer is shaking her head. She keeps shaking her head and making faces as he is talking. Including the fact that her employer would let her have the day off and she had no meetings.

Defense Rebuttal:
After the shooting, the Crumbley's home address was listed on the internet. Prior to being charged and arrested, they had received threats to their lives. They had to leave their home. They are selling the home because it's no longer safe to live there. Prosecutor is ignoring that defense attorney's had tried to contact them all day.

Judge: Defendant's have ties to the state of FL; after the chargers were issued they didn't turn themselves in, their vehicle was hidden, they withdrew a substantial amount of money, they weren't returning attorney's call. Bond as set is reasonable and the court DENIES reduction of bond.
 
Live: Crumbley parents denied reduction in $500K bond (detroitnews.com)

Rochester Hills James and Jennifer Crumbley lost their bid Friday to lower their $500,000 individual bonds on charges of involuntary manslaughter after their son was accused of killing four classmates at Oxford High School.

52-3 District Court Judge Julie Nicholson denied the request, citing the parent's ties to family in Florida, the seriousness of the alleged crimes and their flight to "an abandoned building" in Detroit...
 
Case against Ethan Crumbley advances to Oakland County Circuit Court – The Oakland Press

The case against accused school shooter Ethan Crumbley advanced to Oakland County Circuit Court on Friday after the teen waived his right to a preliminary exam during a hearing in 52-3 District Court.

Crumbley, 15, faces 24 felony charges including multiple counts of first-degree homicide, assault with intent to murder, terrorism causing death and firearms crimes in connection with the Nov. 30, 2021 mass shooting at Oxford High School that left four students dead and 11 others wounded...
 
Jennifer and James Crumbley hearing held in Rochester Hills – The Oakland Press

The hearing for accused Oxford High School shooter, Ethan Crumbley, was held in the 52nd-3rd District Court in Rochester Hills. In the afternoon, the boy’s parents appeared virtually in court, before 52nd-3rd District Judge Julie Nicholson.

Nicholson ruled after a brief hearing that the bond would remain at $500,000 for each of the parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley. They will return to court on Feb. 8 for a preliminary examination...
 
January 7, 2022 - James and Jennifer's Motion to Reconsider bond amount.

It seems to have started mid argument unfortunately.

Defense attorneys claim that they have spoken to their clients about extramarital affairs.

Ethan's journal says "I have to find where dad hides the firearm."

Parents were unaware of Ethan's torture of a bird.

Asking to reduce bond to 100K cash or surety.

Prosecution Argument:
One of the underlying factors is flight risk. ONe thing to consider is ties to the community. James had employment with Door Dash, and Jennifer's employment has been terminated. All of the items are going into storage, their home is going on the market, their horses are going up for sale. They drained their son's bank account. They had multiple phones, some of which they gave their numbers to LE, other's were not.

Prosecutor is going through the events of the C's hiding from being arrested. When taken into custody, they had $6600 in cash, burner phones, tons of credit cards and gift cards, and Jennifer's SS card. They fled to another county. There was a police station across the street from their hotel.

As to the likelihood of conviction: They committed these crimes by either grossly negligent in their storing of firearms, or bad parents (simply). As far back as March 2021, he would text his mother that there was a demon or a ghost in the house. He tortued animals at the family home. He filmed these on hisp hone. The head of the bird was displayed in his room. he searched school shootings and guns on his phone, that he recieved spam email about mental health. His parents didn't intervene. They didn't investigate phone or browser history. In August of 2021, he mentioned shooting up a school and then had written jk jk jk. The evidence shows that the firearm was bought for Ethan. Ethan stopped doing school work and was surprised that his parents didn't seem to know or care. The teacher caught him looking up the ammunition the day before the shooting.

As the prosecutor talks about how the school told the parents that EC needed therapy, Jenifer is shaking her head. She keeps shaking her head and making faces as he is talking. Including the fact that her employer would let her have the day off and she had no meetings.

Defense Rebuttal:
After the shooting, the Crumbley's home address was listed on the internet. Prior to being charged and arrested, they had received threats to their lives. They had to leave their home. They are selling the home because it's no longer safe to live there. Prosecutor is ignoring that defense attorney's had tried to contact them all day.

Judge: Defendant's have ties to the state of FL; after the chargers were issued they didn't turn themselves in, their vehicle was hidden, they withdrew a substantial amount of money, they weren't returning attorney's call. Bond as set is reasonable and the court DENIES reduction of bond.

THANK YOU, Kristin Esq.! Your great summaries are so helpful! :)
 
Prosecutors Say Alleged School Shooter Ethan Crumbley Was 'Fascinated with Guns and Nazi Propaganda'; Judge Refuses to Lower Parents' Bond

... the family dog died ...

... In his journal, the teen wrote that he carried out acts of animal abuse such that his parents wouldn’t be able to find out what he was doing ...

... Ethan Crumbley’s alleged “torturing and killing animals” at the family home dated back to May 2021, Keast continued; the teen recorded video of the act or acts and kept the severed bird head “for six months,” Keast said. ...

Did EC kill his own dog? As more and more horrid facts come to light about him (and his parents), I'd say the chances that the dog died a natural / accidental death are slim to none.

JMO
 
Oxford school lawsuit faults leaders for Ethan Crumbley's 'rampage' (detroitnews.com)

Survivors of the mass shooting at Oxford High School filed an updated $100 million lawsuit late Friday accusing the superintendent, principal and others of gross negligence, intentional infliction of emotional distress and failing to prevent the massacre.

The 107-page lawsuit added 11 new counts against school officials in the wake of new information that has emerged in the five weeks since investigators say 15-year-old sophomore Ethan Crumbley shot and killed four fellow students at Oxford High School and wounded seven others, including a teacher.

He faces four counts of first-degree premeditated murder and 20 other felonies and was bound over for trial Friday, hours before Southfield attorney Geoffrey Fieger filed the amended lawsuit...
 
Prosecutors Say Alleged School Shooter Ethan Crumbley Was 'Fascinated with Guns and Nazi Propaganda'; Judge Refuses to Lower Parents' Bond

... the family dog died ...

... In his journal, the teen wrote that he carried out acts of animal abuse such that his parents wouldn’t be able to find out what he was doing ...

... Ethan Crumbley’s alleged “torturing and killing animals” at the family home dated back to May 2021, Keast continued; the teen recorded video of the act or acts and kept the severed bird head “for six months,” Keast said. ...

Did EC kill his own dog? As more and more horrid facts come to light about him (and his parents), I'd say the chances that the dog died a natural / accidental death are slim to none.

JMO

Now I can't "unsee" this scenario.

Oxford school lawsuit faults leaders for Ethan Crumbley's 'rampage' (detroitnews.com)

Survivors of the mass shooting at Oxford High School filed an updated $100 million lawsuit late Friday accusing the superintendent, principal and others of gross negligence, intentional infliction of emotional distress and failing to prevent the massacre.

The 107-page lawsuit added 11 new counts against school officials in the wake of new information that has emerged in the five weeks since investigators say 15-year-old sophomore Ethan Crumbley shot and killed four fellow students at Oxford High School and wounded seven others, including a teacher.

He faces four counts of first-degree premeditated murder and 20 other felonies and was bound over for trial Friday, hours before Southfield attorney Geoffrey Fieger filed the amended lawsuit...


"Defendant Wolf excited Ethan Crumbley by pulling him out of class, warning him that Child Protective Services might be called (without actually calling Child Protective Services) thereby, encouraging Crumbley to accelerate his timetable for murder," according to the lawsuit.

Interesting way to put it, that pulling Ethan out of class and threatening to call CPS actually encouraged him to shoot that particular day.

It makes me wonder if the threat of counseling also encouraged him to shoot that day. Of course he had the gun and may have went through with it anyway regardless of being called out of class etc...
 
The Oxford school shooter's parents bought him a gun after he made Molotov cocktails at home and texted a friend about shooting up a school, prosecutors say

Crumbley repeatedly texted his mom about seeing "demons" and "ghosts" at home, prosecutors said in court on Friday, according to the Detroit Free Press. He also recorded himself torturing animals, made Molotov cocktails at home, and joked about shooting up a school.

"It's time to shoot up a school. JK. JK. JK," Crumbley wrote in a text to a friend, according to county prosecutors.

The prosecutors also said Crumbley had been fascinated by Nazi propaganda, and said he had searched up guns and school shootings so frequently that he began to receive ads concerning "his mental well-being and firearms," the Detroit Free Press reported.
 
This school didn’t *want* to think they had an issue. That kid could have been sitting in front of the principal with a T-shirt on that said “I’m going to shoot up the school after lunch” and it wouldn’t have changed the outcome. Maybe the principal would have asked him to turn it inside out before he went back to class after his parents “declined” to take him home.

I don't think the public has all the relevant & accurate information yet about exactly what school staff did & didn't do.

From what *is* known so far, though, I'm not sure this is a fair take. Certainly EC's classroom teacher DID take what she saw that AM- his drawings- very seriously. She/he took a picture of them, and removed him immediately, directly to the school's counseling office.

It's unclear from the school super's message to the community and from news reports whether or not anyone from the counseling office informed administrators (the principal or vice principal) about the situation that AM.

New info disclosed during yesterday's bond reduction hearing IMO provides clues about what might have contributed to the fatal miscalculations by school staff.

The school counselor (s) DID take the situation seriously. It sounds like he/she/they was alarmed, though, solely about the possibility EC might be suicidal.

If so, that would explain why they kept him in the office under observation, questioned him about suicidal ideations, didn't want to send him home to an empty house, and ordered his (criminally negligent!!!!) parents to get him to therapy, but, *didn't* bring in the school "resource" officer, search his backpack, or if accurate, even involve/inform the principal.

What seems most likely imo is that kind of terrible miscalculation/misreading of the situation by school staff, maybe in part because of how overwhelmed most are everywhere by unending pandemic related crises. That rather than a looking the other way or deliberately trying to evade their responsibilities.
 
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