MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* #3

[IAMWAN]

Ethan Crumbley pleads not guilty to Oxford mass shooting charges in circuit court, trial looms (clickondetroit.com)

Teen faces list of charges in connection with Oxford High School mass shooting

Ethan Crumbley had another not guilty plea entered on his behalf during a court hearing Wednesday afternoon.

Crumbley appeared for his circuit court arraignment virtually after he was bound over for trial last week on terrorism and murder charges in connection with the mass shooting at Oxford High School...

I know we probably shouldn't speculate, but are we anticipating a mental illness/insanity defense (do they even use the word insane anymore?) I can't fathom any other way that he could be pleading not guilty given the plethora of physical/video evidence against him.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

^ I'm actually surprised that we haven't heard anything about Ethan undergoing a psychological evaluation. Would the judge have to authorize a psych eval before one can be administered? Maybe that is something that will be discussed at the next hearing when Ethan won't be included. Perhaps our resident attorney can weigh in on this.

Michigan Legislature - Section 768.21a
768.21a Persons deemed legally insane; burden of proof.

 

[kaen]

I think that this young man doesn't have a documented history, unlike the Stoneman Douglas and Sandy Hook murderers. I think it will be hard to get him a dx of legally insane. My general understanding is that judges have to order that kind of testing after hearing arguments from both sides. I believe the defense will want one at some point.

He is responsible for his actions in my book but I do think he was horribly failed by his family and school administration.

 

[Doghairrules]

I think that this young man doesn't have a documented history, unlike the Stoneman Douglas and Sandy Hook murderers. I think it will be hard to get him a dx of legally insane. My general understanding is that judges have to order that kind of testing after hearing arguments from both sides. I believe the defense will want one at some point.

He is responsible for his actions in my book but I do think he was horribly failed by his family and school administration.

Imo, if he doesn’t have a documented history of mental illness it’s probably because the bio donors didn’t bother taking him anywhere for help.

 

[Luna20]

The fact that he assumes the position of NG lends itself to mental illness. I realize the majority plea NG regardless of guilt but in his case I really wonder if he truly believes he isn’t guilty.

 

[kaen]

Imo, if he doesn’t have a documented history of mental illness it’s probably because the bio donors didn’t bother taking him anywhere for help.

All true. And, I agree that it is neglect if he needed help and didn't get it. That said, without a history I believe that a plea based on his mental state is probably not going to happen. JMHO

 

[Kristin Esq.]

The fact that he assumes the position of NG lends itself to mental illness. I realize the majority plea NG regardless of guilt but in his case I really wonder if he truly believes he isn’t guilty.

Pleas of NG don't necessarily mean that the defendant believes that he's NG. It's usually done for more time - time to gather discovery, time to come up with a plan. If he were to plead guilty, he'd go straight to sentencing. If there is ANY chance they can mitigate a sentence in any way, the NG plea helps with that. It's a strategy.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Imo, if he doesn’t have a documented history of mental illness it’s probably because the bio donors didn’t bother taking him anywhere for help.

This, exactly. If teachers or other school personnel requested meetings with Ethan's parents to discuss behavioral issues, they were likely met with the same cocky attitudes and denial that we've witnessed during their court appearances. They are the type of parents who do not want the school telling them how to raise their child. If a psychological evaluation or other testing was recommended or suggested, no doubt the Crumbleys said, "Absolutely not!" - probably with threats to sue the school district if testing was done anyway. Jennifer Crumley's flippant, "Are we done here?" during the meeting with school personnel the morning of the shooting says it all. JMO

 

[Luna20]

Pleas of NG don't necessarily mean that the defendant believes that he's NG. It's usually done for more time - time to gather discovery, time to come up with a plan. If he were to plead guilty, he'd go straight to sentencing. If there is ANY chance they can mitigate a sentence in any way, the NG plea helps with that. It's a strategy.

True but my point was it’s really possible that he thinks he is NG simply because he’s so messed up. Who knows, we will never find out what exactly goes on inside his head but we know he’s deranged.

 

[Cool Cats]

Oxford High had shooting warning signs, lawsuit claims

DETROIT – Nearly three weeks before Ethan Crumbley allegedly shot up Oxford High School, he brought a bird's head to school in a mason jar filled with yellow liquid and left it on top of a toilet paper dispenser in the boys' bathroom, according to new claims in a lawsuit.

School officials knew the sophomore had done this, the suit says, but told students and parents there was nothing to worry about.

Then he showed up with ammo.

On the day before the massacre, Crumbley brought bullets to class and had them out on full display – this in addition to researching ammunition on his cellphone that same day, a revised lawsuit states. School officials knew about the bullets, the suit claims, along with a post on Twitter hours later:

“Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds. See you tomorrow Oxford.”

This Twitter post shows he knows he's guilty in my opinion.

True but my point was it’s really possible that he thinks he is NG simply because he’s so messed up. Who knows, we will never find out what exactly goes on inside his head but we know he’s deranged.

 

[Cool Cats]

What Oxford High shooting suspect is allowed to do in jail
The Detroit News

Crumpley’s lawyers sought to move him to the Children’s Village,
Programs & Services | Oakland County Children's Village
which they said was a more suitable facility for their client. The district judge agreed with the prosecutors that he should be imprisoned in the Oakland County Jail.

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Crumbley's usual day in the Oakland County Jail begins around 5 a.m. when he is offered a breakfast tray for eating in his cell, Oakland County Jail’s Curtis D. Childs said. He said the lunch tray is delivered between 10:30 a.m. and 11 a.m. and dinner at 4 p.m.

Prison officials said last week that Crumbley remains under close, around-the-clock surveillance by the Oakland County sheriff’s deputy. The only time he’s allowed out of his cell is to shower daily, take a phone call, or make virtual visits, primarily via Zoom.

“He’s kept in one cell and isolated from his other colleagues,” Childs said. “He is not suicidal. He is on constant watch.”

Ethan’s visitors
Because he is a minor, information about his visitors is limited. Prison officials said Crumbley has his lawyer and was “consulting daily” with mental health professionals via Zoom. Zoom sessions with attorneys and guardians are done by an approved appointment.

In Crumbley’s case, parent visits in prison are not an option. Both parents, James and Jennifer Curmbley, are also imprisoned in Oakland County Jail instead of Bond, each charged with four counts of manslaughter.

He also meets regularly with his assigned caseworker and through Zoom with his attorney and guardian Deborah McElvey. All declined to comment on Crumbley.

Crumbley is usually offered entertainment within the prison entertainment schedule, but has been paused due to COVID-19 protocols.

He is provided professional care by the staff, like any other guest, and he is allowed to use the guest’s tablet system, which contains movies, games and books. It also has an educational website, Khan Academy, an American non-profit organization created in 2008 with online tools to help educate students through training videos and exercises. He also has access to a TV.

While his activities are not monitored, he has been instructed that he should not have expectations about privacy.

“The plans to provide him with continuing education are well under way,” Childs said, adding that while Crumbley can email others and receive emails, he doesn’t have access to Internet searches.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Use of a tablet for movies, games, books, Khan Academy, and use of a television?

 

[californiagem]

Imo, if he doesn’t have a documented history of mental illness it’s probably because the bio donors didn’t bother taking him anywhere for help.

This. And depending on what type of illness he may have , this is generally the age many mental illnesses start to manifest.

 

[Marysmith]

Use of a tablet for movies, games, books, Khan Academy, and use of a television?

That made me pause too. Maybe it’s a limited time thing. I guess he’s innocent until proven guilty though. IMO people who are convicted anyways should not have unlimited use of a TV and phone, etc…

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Final Oxford shooting survivor returns home (detroitnews.com)

Oxford — Kylie Ossege, the longest hospitalized victim in the Nov. 30 Oxford High School shooting, has been back home for the past week, her family said.

Ossege's family provided an update Sunday on her page, which has raised about $139,000 of the $150,000 it seeks to aid in her recovery. Ossege, 17, was shot in the chest.

"After one week at home, we are adjusting," the Jan. 16 update reads. "Kylie began outpatient physical and occupational therapy. The therapists have welcomed her and have been so kind. We are seeking to establish our new routine...

 

[Kristin Esq.]

Final Oxford shooting survivor returns home (detroitnews.com)

Oxford — Kylie Ossege, the longest hospitalized victim in the Nov. 30 Oxford High School shooting, has been back home for the past week, her family said.

Ossege's family provided an update Sunday on her ******** page, which has raised about $139,000 of the $150,000 it seeks to aid in her recovery. Ossege, 17, was shot in the chest.

"After one week at home, we are adjusting," the Jan. 16 update reads. "Kylie began outpatient physical and occupational therapy. The therapists have welcomed her and have been so kind. We are seeking to establish our new routine...

Happy to hear she's back home.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Oxford schools superintendent ‘clarifies’ incidents before, after mass shooting (clickondetroit.com)

‘We feel it is important to clarify the details we can address at this time’

OXFORD, Mich. – The Oxford Community Schools superintendent issued a statement this week in an effort to “clarify” incidents that happened before the Nov. 30, 2021 mass shooting at Oxford High School.

Eleven people were struck by the gunfire inside the school that day, of which four were killed: 14-year-old Hana St. Juliana, 16-year-old Tate Myre, 17-year-old Madisyn Baldwin and 17-year-old Justin Shilling.

Sophomore student Ethan Crumbley, 15, is facing 24 charges as an adult in connection with the mass shooting. He is accused of being the lone gunman and opening fire with a handgun. His parents also face involuntary manslaughter charges.

Meanwhile, Oxford High School students have begun to return to classes at Oxford Middle School and Oxford Bridges High School. The Oxford High School building is expected to be ready this week. Students are expected to physically return to the building the week of Jan. 24.

In his letter to the community on Tuesday, Superintendent Tim Throne addressed a deer head that was found at the school Nov. 4, the head of a bird found in a jar at the school on Nov. 11, claims that live ammunition was found at the school, tips sent to law enforcement, what the district knew -- or didn’t know -- about the suspected shooter’s social media posts, training that he said saved lives that day inside the high school, and law enforcement’s response.

Here is Throne’s full letter titled “January 18, Clarification from Supt.”...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Status conference today at 2:00PM: Live stream: Status conference for case against Ethan Crumbley (clickondetroit.com)

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Attorneys discuss placement for Oxford suspect Ethan Crumbley at hearing (detroitnews.com)

Attorneys for accused Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley are set to argue Wednesday for the teen to be relocated to a juvenile facility while he awaits trial.

Crumbley is being held in Oakland County Jail without bond...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Memorial at Oxford High School will be removed, officials say (detroitnews.com)

A memorial created for the victims of the Oxford High School shooting outside the school will be taken down on Sunday, one day before the first day of classes at the school since the Nov. 30 shooting.

On Wednesday, Oxford Superintendent Tim Throne announced that trauma specialists advised the district that the memorial should not remain when students return "to further their healing process."...