GUILTY MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* *teen guilty* #4

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Teenager to Plead Guilty to Terrorism and Murder in Michigan School Shooting​

The student is expected to plead guilty on Monday. The attack at Oxford High School killed four students.
Oct. 21, 2022Updated 6:13 p.m. ET
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The student accused of waging a deadly attack last year in a Michigan high school, killing four students and injuring seven other people, is expected to plead guilty on Monday to a number of felony charges, including murder and terrorism, the prosecutor in the case said on Friday.
The case is unusual in several ways. If Mr. Crumbley pleads guilty on Monday as expected, he would be the first suspect in a U.S. school shooting to be found guilty of terrorism.
In interviews, Karen D. McDonald, the Oakland County prosecutor, has said that she brought the unusual terrorism charge to address the damage caused to those who were not killed or injured.
The prosecution of the suspect’s parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, is also a rare instance in which parents stand accused of acts that led to a school shooting. In addition to helping him obtain a gun, prosecutors say that the parents ignored troubling warning signs, including a disturbing drawing he made containing violent images and a plea for help just hours before the shooting. The parents have pleaded not guilty.
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Michigan does not have a death penalty, and imprisoning a juvenile for life is unusual.
But Mr. Williams said that there had been no plea bargaining with Mr. Crumbley.
There are no deals whatsoever. No reductions, no sentence agreements, nothing,” he said in a statement released by his office.
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MrsWatson said:
I think the judge is going to run out of patience with the Crumbleys very soon. I don't think this case is going away, no matter how much they wish it would.

Curious about how long they will be able to afford their private attorneys. Ethan is using a public defender IIRC.

moo
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Yeah, Mom & Pop threw Ethan under the bus a good while back, and their not paying for his attorney (last I heard, anyway) is just one more way Ethan knows that he was nothing to his parents from the get-go.

Note: Not crying a single tear, not one, for EC, but it is kind of cold WRT his parents -- but no surprise, IMO.

I have no problem seeing him sentenced for life.
 
www.nbcnews.com

Michigan school shooter, 16, expected to plead guilty to killing four classmates, prosecutors say

Four students were gunned down at Oxford High School in southeastern Michigan on Nov. 30, 2021.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
The 16-year-old accused of gunning down four schoolmates last year outside of Detroit is expected to plead guilty to all counts, prosecutors said Friday.

Ethan Crumbley has been charged with those killings in addition to the wounding of six other students and a teacher at Oxford High School on Nov. 30 last year in southeastern Michigan, about 40 miles north of downtown Detroit...
 
While DH and I are likely too old (early 70s) to be summoned for jury duty in the future, we reside in Oakland County and have both served on juries previously. Whenever there is a high-profile local case, I try to imagine myself serving on the jury. At this time, there are three cases awaiting trial in Oakland County: Ethan Crumbley, James and Jennifer Crumbley, and Floyd Galloway (disappearance and presumed death of Danielle Stislicki). I have followed these cases from the start and hope that justice is served in all three instances. I would not want to sit on the juries for any of these cases as I think they would be very stressful and tedious. I don't have the stomach for gory crime scene photos, either :oops:

If the evidence in the Crumbley parents' trial was strong enough, I would have no problem with a long-term prison sentence for both of them. Likewise, even if there is no body in the Danielle Stislicki case, if the evidence against Floyd Galloway suggests that he is likely responsible for Dani's disappearance/death, I would have no difficulty sending him to prison for a very long time, maybe even LWOP. In the case of Ethan Crumbley, given the mitigating circumstances that would likely be presented, I think it would be difficult for me to send a 16-year-old boy to prison for the rest of his life. Ethan's upbringing was less than desirable with strong evidence of neglect. I can't help feeling compassion for this young man and would have to consider that he be given the opportunity for psychiatric intervention with a sentence that offers some leniency. JMO
 
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BetteDavisEyes said:
While DH and I are likely too old (early 70s) to be summoned for jury duty in the future, we reside in Oakland County and have both served on juries previously. Whenever there is a high-profile local case, I try to imagine myself serving on the jury. At this time, there are three cases awaiting trial in Oakland County: Ethan Crumbley, James and Jennifer Crumbley, and Floyd Galloway (disappearance and presumed death of Danielle Stislicki). I have followed these cases from the start and hope that justice is served in all three instances. I would not want to sit on the juries for any of these cases as I think they would be very stressful and tedious. I don't have the stomach for gory crime scene photos, either :oops:

If the evidence in the Crumbley parents' trial was strong enough, I would have no problem with a long-term prison sentence for both of them. Likewise, even if there is no body in the Danielle Stislicki case, if the evidence against Floyd Galloway suggests that he is likely responsible for Dani's disappearance/death, I would have no difficulty sending him to prison for a very long time, maybe even LWOP. In the case of Ethan Crumbley, given the mitigating circumstances that would likely be presented, I think it would be difficult for me to send a 16-year-old boy to prison for the rest of his life. Ethan's upbringing was less than desirable with strong evidence of neglect. I can't help feeling compassion for this young man and would have to consider that he be given the opportunity for psychiatric intervention with a sentence that offers some leniency. JMO
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I hear you. I did previously agree with the no mercy post for him as well but I absolutely feel for him too. He was just so messed up - and honestly could have killed more people if he’d wanted to as well that day.
 
BetteDavisEyes said:
I can't help wondering what EC's parents thought when they learned that he would plead guilty. Their attorneys, as well. JMO
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Or whether his parents care enough to have any thought about him at all.

One of the hallmarks, if you will, of Ethan's life is the utter disregard since he was a very young child, for his mental & emotional well-being by the people who brought him into this world.

Their neglect may not have caused Ethan's mental problems, but it certainly did not help alleviate them & probably exacerbated them.

When you obtain counsel for yourself & leave your child - who is not a legal adult - to fight for his life with court-appointed counsel, you demonstrate exactly who you are.

This killing of four young persons full of promise & destruction of lives of survivors was preventable. It always is. We have to get better at looking directly at problems rather than looking the other way. Lives depend on it.
MOO
 
WingsOverTX said:
Or whether his parents care enough to have any thought about him at all.

One of the hallmarks, if you will, of Ethan's life is the utter disregard since he was a very young child, for his mental & emotional well-being by the people who brought him into this world.

Their neglect may not have caused Ethan's mental problems, but it certainly did not help alleviate them & probably exacerbated them.

When you obtain counsel for yourself & leave your child - who is not a legal adult - to fight for his life with court-appointed counsel, you demonstrate exactly who you are.

This killing of four young persons full of promise & destruction of lives of survivors was preventable. It always is. We have to get better at looking directly at problems rather than looking the other way. Lives depend on it.
MOO
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EC's parents will surely care about his guilty plea if it means that he might testify against them at their trial. They could be shaking in their shoes wondering if he plans to throw them under the bus. JMO
 
I think it must be very nerve racking for them wondering what he will do in there trial. I am curious, does anyone know if they are allowed to send him mail? I could see them trying to send him messages trying to dissuade him from testifying.
 
BetteDavisEyes said:
While DH and I are likely too old (early 70s) to be summoned for jury duty in the future, we reside in Oakland County and have both served on juries previously. Whenever there is a high-profile local case, I try to imagine myself serving on the jury. At this time, there are three cases awaiting trial in Oakland County: Ethan Crumbley, James and Jennifer Crumbley, and Floyd Galloway (disappearance and presumed death of Danielle Stislicki). I have followed these cases from the start and hope that justice is served in all three instances. I would not want to sit on the juries for any of these cases as I think they would be very stressful and tedious. I don't have the stomach for gory crime scene photos, either :oops:

If the evidence in the Crumbley parents' trial was strong enough, I would have no problem with a long-term prison sentence for both of them. Likewise, even if there is no body in the Danielle Stislicki case, if the evidence against Floyd Galloway suggests that he is likely responsible for Dani's disappearance/death, I would have no difficulty sending him to prison for a very long time, maybe even LWOP. In the case of Ethan Crumbley, given the mitigating circumstances that would likely be presented, I think it would be difficult for me to send a 16-year-old boy to prison for the rest of his life. Ethan's upbringing was less than desirable with strong evidence of neglect. I can't help feeling compassion for this young man and would have to consider that he be given the opportunity for psychiatric intervention with a sentence that offers some leniency. JMO
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Here's the thing though, we don't know if has a mental health condition that is treatable or if he is a sociopath/psychopath- so in that case there is no known treatment that can fix that-- I am not sure I would ever be comfortable with him ever being free in society. That is just the way I feel
 
www.freep.com

Ethan Crumbley pleads guilty to Oxford school shooting: Here's what comes next.

The plea now raises questions about what comes next for the teen, his parents — who also are charged — and the survivors and their families.
www.freep.com

Ethan Crumbley, the teen accused of killing four fellow students and injuring seven people at Oxford High, pleaded guilty Monday, withdrawing an insanity defense and avoiding a high-profile trial.

The plea now raises questions about what comes next for the 16-year-old, his parents — who are charged with multiple manslaughter counts in connection with the deadly shooting — and the survivors and their families who are still trying to heal.
 
www.clickondetroit.com

Attorney: Oxford High School shooter ‘did not know’ victims

The Oxford High School shooter, who admitted Monday to fatally shooting four students and shooting and injuring several others, apparently did not target his victims in the Nov. 30, 2021, shooting.
www.clickondetroit.com www.clickondetroit.com

The most important testimony from Ethan Crumbley is this: he testified that he gave money to his father to buy the gun he used to kill people and more importantly he testified the gun was not locked. This is in direct contradiction to his parents who had previously testified the gun was locked.
 
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