GUILTY MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* *teen guilty* #5

[ChatteringBirds]

I just watched the "First Police Interview" video. Too bad the audio was so difficult to understand.

I think LE asked if Ethan had any diagnoses or took any medication, and Jennifer said, anxiety and no medication. Did I hear that correctly?

And when they went in to see their son. He's sitting in the corner kind-of slumped down miserable, and neither one goes to him. They both head straight to the chairs. Jennifer exhibits anger toward him. When they get up to leave and he asks them to stay, they still don't make a move toward him.

It feels like he has to beg them for some love, and they just walk out.

James' "I love you"s sounded more robotic than sincere, but maybe it's the audio? IMO/MOO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Law & Crime
Day 4..live

 

[Izzylizzy]

if you get Youtube on your TV it's streaming there under Law & Crime.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I may be wrong. But that is not the "Why?" I hear from mom. Everyone please watch and report back.

Here's another interpretation.

JC said the not caring comment when she and James returned to the room they were previously in with the detectives.

I still can't make out what EC said.

"
In the video, Crumbley has one question for her son: "Why? Why?"


The shooter appears to say, “Please take care of Dexter," referring to his cat, and "I did it.” He wrote in journal entries presented during his Miller hearing to determine if he could be fairly sentenced to life without parole that he talked to his cat more than people, even his parents.

“He didn’t even, like, care,” Jennifer Crumbley said during the video. “What the f—k.”

Live Blog Day 6: Testimony resumes in Jennifer Crumbley trial

Jennifer Crumbley, the mother of the Oxford High School shooter, is charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter.

www.detroitnews.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Court is in break mode for some reason.

JC entered the court and walked over to defense table and then was escorted out by a deputy.
She smiled so it doesn't appear to be anything serious that would delay today's proceedings.
??

 

[SieSie]

Hi guys! One thing I've noticed when watching this trial is that I don't hear the judge say "Sustained/Overruled" after objections from counsel. She has asked the witness questions to clarify what the defense or prosecution "meant to say" kind of thing. All the other trials I've watched over the years, it's not been this "laid-back". What do you all think?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Hi guys! One thing I've noticed when watching this trial is that I don't hear the judge say "Sustained/Overruled" after objections from counsel. She has asked the witness questions to clarify what the defense or prosecution "meant to say" kind of thing. All the other trials I've watched over the years, it's not been this "laid-back". What do you all think?

I've commented a few times about the judge not having authority over her courtroom.
She acts like a therapist mediating between the child (defense) and the parents (prosecutors).

 

[Izzylizzy]

Courts back in session and JC at defense table.

OOPs!
L & C just went down.

Back up now and waiting for jury.

 

[LMDlong]

Anyone know what the hold up is?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Ejak is being sworn in.
He was the dean at the school and was in the meeting.
He also was the one with authority to send EC home,suspend,expel etc.
All discipline of students.

 

[MrsWatson]

Anyone know what the hold up is?

Why jury arrival is later than expected​

When Matthews dismissed the jury at 3:35 p.m. Monday, she told them to arrive at 8:30 a.m. Tuesday so they could continue with the prosecution’s next witness.

But the reason for their early dismissal was the prosecution and defense discussing evidence for future admission. When they came back with 55 photos under dispute, the judge realized they would need to continue those arguments in the morning.

So a member of the court called each juror and told them not to come until 9:30 a.m. When Matthews entered the courtroom, she heard arguments from both sides and make rulings on the photos.

Now that that’s been resolved, the jury should arrive soon. Matthews did mention that some of them were having trouble because of the snow.

Live stream: Day 4 of manslaughter trial for mother of Oxford High School shooter

The manslaughter trial will continue Monday for Jennifer Crumbley, the mother of the Oxford High School shooter.

www.clickondetroit.com

 

[SieSie]

I've commented a few times about the judge not having authority over her courtroom.
She acts like a therapist mediating between the child (defense) and the parents (prosecutors).

I've probably missed a bunch of comments as I've had to scroll to catch up, sorry. Did other people agree that it's unusual? She explains her answers instead of just saying "sustained" or "overruled"... your example of a mediator is perfect!!

 

[MrsWatson]

I think the judge is being overly cautious, but I don't fault her for it. She has a background in child neglect/abuse/SA cases, and I think she is very sensitive to the highly emotional aspect of this trial. I also think she's very conscious of the fact that it's the first of it's kind. I think her laid back approach is to temper the strong feelings surrounding this. That's MOO, though.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I've probably missed a bunch of comments as I've had to scroll to catch up, sorry. Did other people agree that it's unusual? She explains her answers instead of just saying "sustained" or "overruled"... your example of a mediator is perfect!!

Nothing at all to be sorry about, I never expected you to go back through my messages and I hadn't brought up the lack of the judge using "overruled" and "abstained", though it is quite noticeable, among her other actions or lack thereof.

 

[Weki]

Wow Dean says there are students who post pics with guns in their homecoming pictures. There are also students who go hunting before coming to school in the morning. So seeing guns and talks of guns was not cause for alarm at the school. Wow. Also says it’s not uncommon for students to draw guns on school work.

Interesting.

Edited to clarify - I don’t think he was saying students bring guns to school. He specifically said if he knew EC had a gun that day on him at school he would’ve been alarmed.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I think the judge is being overly cautious, but I don't fault her for it. She has a background in child neglect/abuse/SA cases, and I think she is very sensitive to the highly emotional aspect of this trial. I also think she's very conscious of the fact that it's the first of it's kind. I think her laid back approach is to temper the strong feelings surrounding this. That's MOO, though.

I don't see the judge as tempering the strong feelings.
I see her as enabling them.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Wow Dean says there are students who post pics with guns in their homecoming pictures. There are also students who go hunting before coming to school in the morning. So seeing guns and talks of guns was not cause for alarm at the school. Wow. Also says it’s not uncommon for students to draw guns on school work.

Interesting.

I also did a "Wow" when reading about the culture of kids and guns in the area.

Check this out.


THE LAW UPDATED JAN. 26, 2024



https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/oxford-school-shooting-ethan-crumbley-parents.html

 

[Weki]

As I predicted state’s case is getting shakier by the day. The Dean just said if he had known that EC was a threat to himself or others he would’ve raised the threat level. The 10,000 dollar question is, the parents didn’t have any indications of that either, did they? Hallucinations do not indicate suicidality or homicidality. How can the parents be negligent if they had no indication he was going to do this prior to the shooting?

JMO

 

[ChatteringBirds]

How can the parents be negligent if they had no indication he was going to do this prior to the shooting?

My opinion: His parents knew his mental health history. They knew about his lack of a social life or healthy hobbies. They knew he had access to a gun. Then they saw the drawing.
The school staff saw only the drawing. They didn't know the whole picture, but his parents absolutely did.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Wow Dean says there are students who post pics with guns in their homecoming pictures. There are also students who go hunting before coming to school in the morning. So seeing guns and talks of guns was not cause for alarm at the school. Wow. Also says it’s not uncommon for students to draw guns on school work.

Interesting.

Edited to clarify - I don’t think he was saying students bring guns to school. He specifically said if he knew EC had a gun that day on him at school he would’ve been alarmed.

And when Smith went there with Ejak not having asked if the Crumbleys had guns in the house she tried once again to use the "blame the rape victim for being raped" and not the rapist.
A highly offensive and pathetic defense .