MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

[Kittybunny]

Nikki Brueger says she and her husband only met Sutherland one time during Ally’s 2-year relationship with him. Sutherland is now trying to suggest Ally’s father is the killer.

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That's what NB meant when she said that they had only met him one time.

Now it's likely WS had some semblance of a relationship with her parents for a few months after her murder. I have to wonder when that all fell apart. It seems to me that it coincided with her parents discovering that WS didn't pass the polygraph. JMO

Actually, TO ME, the fact that Nikki says they met Wes only once lends some credence to either a bad relationship between Ally and at least one of her parents and/or Nikki lying that they only met once. By all accounts, Ally was at least close to Nikki, and it would be very odd that she at least would only meet her daughter's boyfriend/fiancé once in a serious two-year relationship. So either there was a reason Ally kept him away if what Nikki says is true, OR she lied for some reason to discredit Wes.

This is my opinion only, of course. But I am close to my family so perhaps it is only my perception.

 

[Shiressleuth]

When I googled him time ago, I found a person with the same last name, different first name, who looked strikingly similar to BP. I don't know whether it is a brother.

I read he sometimes goes by his middle name, which is Patrick.

He is a suspect still according to the MSM I linked quoting LE.
@Combatmedic2121 what is your opinion of BP?

 

[Spellbound]

Actually, TO ME, the fact that Nikki says they met Wes only once lends some credence to either a bad relationship between Ally and at least one of her parents and/or Nikki lying that they only met once. By all accounts, Ally was at least close to Nikki, and it would be very odd that she at least would only meet her daughter's boyfriend/fiancé once in a serious two-year relationship. So either there was a reason Ally kept him away if what Nikki says is true, OR she lied for some reason to discredit Wes.

This is my opinion only, of course. But I am close to my family so perhaps it is only my perception.

it could also be the boyfriend was the one who did not want to meet her parents again. In a previous post, Combatmedic said they were mostly the stay-at-home type.

Combatmedic did post on May 11 (#686) that he only met them once in the time they dated, but that post was removed at some point. (I don't know who removed it) He did say he met several times with Nikki after Ally died.

I may be mistaken, but I do not believe they were engaged at the time of her death, but had plans to become engaged the next Christmas. So it is possible in Nikki's mind that the relationship was not as serious as others may have thought.

 

[Jennifer17]

Actually, TO ME, the fact that Nikki says they met Wes only once lends some credence to either a bad relationship between Ally and at least one of her parents and/or Nikki lying that they only met once. By all accounts, Ally was at least close to Nikki, and it would be very odd that she at least would only meet her daughter's boyfriend/fiancé once in a serious two-year relationship. So either there was a reason Ally kept him away if what Nikki says is true, OR she lied for some reason to discredit Wes.

This is my opinion only, of course. But I am close to my family so perhaps it is only my perception.

To me, that could also mean that Wes and Franz did not like each other. A far more like scenario IMO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

So either there was a reason Ally kept him away

^^ This maybe? Perhaps her father had high demands on the boyfriend of his daughter? Perhaps A. had often complained about him and her father (or parents) thought, he would be the wrong partner? (I'm a parent myself ... )

 

[Combatmedic2121]

^^ This maybe? Perhaps her father had high demands on the boyfriend of his daughter? Perhaps A. had often complained about him and her father (or parents) thought, he would be the wrong partner? (I'm a parent myself ... )

Franz NEVER gave two *advertiser censored* about Ally her entire life! Not who Ally dated, not her career/college, not her dreams/goals... nothing!

Franz took absolutely ZERO interest in Ally’s life in ANY way. Ally had personally told me (and others) this repeatedly and Ally hated him for it!
Then Ally gets killed and suddenly Nikki and Franz try to act like Franz is “Dad of the year!” I called out their bluff! And so have many others... I just had the guts to do it publicly.

This isn’t “bashing the parents”... it’s just the truth! I don’t like this FACT anymore than any of you do! And I will NOT be blamed for Franz being a garbage father to Ally. I’ve said this before and everyone flips out on me... don’t shoot the damn messager just because you don’t like the facts surrounding this relationship.

 

[Jennifer17]

Franz NEVER gave two *advertiser censored* about Ally her entire life! Not who Ally dated, not her career/college, not her dreams/goals... nothing!

Franz took absolutely ZERO interest in Ally’s life in ANY way. Ally had personally told me (and others) this repeatedly and Ally hated him for it!
Then Ally gets killed and suddenly Nikki and Franz try to act like Franz is “Dad of the year!” I called out their bluff! And so have many others... I just had the guts to do it publicly.

This isn’t “bashing the parents”... it’s just the truth! I don’t like this FACT anymore than any of you do! And I will NOT be blamed for Franz being a garbage father to Ally. I’ve said this before and everyone flips out on me... don’t shoot the damn messager just because you don’t like the facts surrounding this relationship.

Yeah? He took her on a trip to Germany because he had no interest in her? With respect, we have only your word that Franz was a garbage parent. Why would a 30 year old woman go back to live with a father that she hated, when she had someone who loved her with all their heart and soul? I am sorry, but your version is not credible.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

It's not easy to believe a 68 yr old father would jump into the family car with a loaded shot gun and chase down his daughter, then fire five shots at her back as she runs away.

Occam's razor tells me that's not the likely scenario.

 

[Jennifer17]

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It's not easy to believe a 68 yr old father would jump into the family car with a loaded shot gun and chase down his daughter, thent fire five shots at her back as she runs away.

Occam's razor tells me that's not the likely scenario.

Of course. He would have many opportunities to kill his only child if he hated her that much. Why wait until she was thirty years old and felt quiet comfortable moving back to her parent's home?

 

[Combatmedic2121]

Yeah? He took her on a trip to Germany because he had no interest in her? With respect, we have only your word that Franz was a garbage parent. Why would a 30 year old woman go back to live with a father that she hated, when she had someone who loved her with all their heart and soul? I am sorry, but your version is not credible.

With all over due disrespect...I do not care what you think. I know you’ve seen my screenshots of messages with the other ex-boyfriends, including an ex-boyfriends mother, who all back my claims. You don’t get my respect when you repeatedly and relentlessly claim I’m lying and dismiss everything I say.

Your responses have become so predictable at this point that I could honestly write them for you.
You are one of the people on this forum that will have the most apologies to make when this case comes to light and I look forward to it.
You’ve clearly bought all the parents BS hook, line, and sinker. You have been fooled! One day, hopefully soon, you’ll see that.

I have nothing more to say to you and will no longer waste my time responding to your posts.

 

[Jennifer17]

With all over due disrespect...I do not care what you think. I know you’ve seen my screenshots of messages with the other ex-boyfriends, including an ex-boyfriends mother, who all back my claims. You don’t get my respect when you repeatedly and relentlessly claim I’m lying and dismiss everything I say.

Your responses have become so predictable at this point that I could honestly write them for you.
You are one of the people on this forum that will have the most apologies to make when this case comes to light and I look forward to it.
You’ve clearly bought all the parents BS hook, line, and sinker. You have been fooled! One day, hopefully soon, you’ll see that.

I have nothing more to say to you and will no longer waste my time responding to your posts[/QUOTE
You know, your are not the boss here.

 

[chimpface]

With all over due disrespect...I do not care what you think. I know you’ve seen my screenshots of messages with the other ex-boyfriends, including an ex-boyfriends mother, who all back my claims. You don’t get my respect when you repeatedly and relentlessly claim I’m lying and dismiss everything I say.

Your responses have become so predictable at this point that I could honestly write them for you.
You are one of the people on this forum that will have the most apologies to make when this case comes to light and I look forward to it.
You’ve clearly bought all the parents BS hook, line, and sinker. You have been fooled! One day, hopefully soon, you’ll see that.

I have nothing more to say to you and will no longer waste my time responding to your posts.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[Combatmedic2121]

I’m sorry... but do either of you have anything to actually add to this conversation?
Im only asking because I’m pretty sure you’ve contributed NOTHING that has gone toward helping solve this case in any way!

I have devoted the past 2 years of my life to finding out who killed Alex and what exactly happened that day... while simultaneously having my name and reputation being drug through the mud this entire time.

Now, I have absolutely no problem if someone disagrees with my theory regarding Franz possible involvement in Ally’s murder. That’s completely fine.

However, when I provided information that Franz and Ally had a toxic relationship... and it was dismissed.
I told you there were others who agreed with me about this information... it was still dismissed and I was asked to prove it.
I then proved it with actual screenshots from conversations with 2 of Ally’s old ex boyfriends and a mother of an exboyfriend... this was STILL dismissed, and then people on this forum actually tried to get those screenshot messages removed! Wtf?!?!

At that point, You’ve basically just become a couple of assholes who sit in the back of the room booing everything I say while adding nothing!
Now, this case actually matters to me and its obvious deeply personal... so if your ONLY purpose on here is to “boo” and completely dismiss everything I have to say, and all information I provide... please... just save it! You’re wasting your time and everyone else’s.

 

[Shiressleuth]

CM2121

Could you see my questions about BP?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Best Practices - Dealing with your fellow posters

A reminder.

 

[chimpface]

I’m sorry... but do either of you have anything to actually add to this conversation?
Im only asking because I’m pretty sure you’ve contributed NOTHING that has gone toward helping solve this case in any way!

I have devoted the past 2 years of my life to finding out who killed Alex and what exactly happened that day... while simultaneously having my name and reputation being drug through the mud this entire time.

Now, I have absolutely no problem if someone disagrees with my theory regarding Franz possible involvement in Ally’s murder. That’s completely fine.

However, when I provided information that Franz and Ally had a toxic relationship... and it was dismissed.
I told you there were others who agreed with me about this information... it was still dismissed and I was asked to prove it.
I then proved it with actual screenshots from conversations with 2 of Ally’s old ex boyfriends and a mother of an exboyfriend... this was STILL dismissed, and then people on this forum actually tried to get those screenshot messages removed! Wtf?!?!

At that point, You’ve basically just become a couple of assholes who sit in the back of the room booing everything I say while adding nothing!
Now, this case actually matters to me and its obvious deeply personal... so if your ONLY purpose on here is to “boo” and completely dismiss everything I have to say, and all information I provide... please... just save it! You’re wasting your time and everyone else’s.

I've asked a few questions you'll find if you look back through the thread. The fact you have resorted to name calling says it all.

If you weren't so arrogant and aggressive with your posting I may be more willing to listen to what you're saying but to me it just sounds like you're trying to promote an agenda and/or point suspicion away from yourself.

 

[Spellbound]

Combtmedic:
I don't recall screenshots from two previous boyfriends' conversations. Can you remind me of their names (if they were said) or do you know approximately when you would have posted them here. I tried to find them, but was not successful.

We have been trained to be skeptical here and you should not take any comments as being unworthy, however name-calling and becoming obviously angry when a poster states their view does not make you look innocent. Can you understand that? This is not intended to be disrespectful toward you, but perhaps you can re-read your posts from today and understsnd why some will be less likely to believe you. A lot of what you project to the parents is the same thing you ask us to accept from you. Could you also be twisting truths or facts? Maybe. We have no way to base any definitive conclusion --- other than your word or written news reports (of which there has not been much from LE) and the CWD special.

What makes most sense? What seems most likely? Who is telling the truth? I honestly do not know.

 

[Combatmedic2121]

Combtmedic:
I don't recall screenshots from two previous boyfriends' conversations. Can you remind me of their names (if they were said) or do you know approximately when you would have posted them here. I tried to find them, but was not successful.

We have been trained to be skeptical here and you should not take any comments as being unworthy, however name-calling and becoming obviously angry when a poster states their view does not make you look innocent. Can you understand that? This is not intended to be disrespectful toward you, but perhaps you can re-read your posts from today and understsnd why some will be less likely to believe you. A lot of what you project to the parents is the same thing you ask us to accept from you. Could you also be twisting truths or facts? Maybe. We have no way to base any definitive conclusion --- other than your word or written news reports (of which there has not been much from LE) and the CWD special.

What makes most sense? What seems most likely? Who is telling the truth? I honestly do not know.

I have a mod checking on those screenshots to see if they were removed. If they were the mods going to repost them...
When you see these screenshots you’ll see it isn’t a “my word against the parents word” situation here. You’ll also see this is not an issue of skepticism, it’s an issue of flat out denial in the face of evidence... that’s the problem we have here.

 

[Combatmedic2121]

Here’s just a few...
I’ll find the others later if the mod doesn’t repost them.

 

[Spellbound]

Thank you, CM. I do recall a couple of these now. Isn't Carmella the mother of a previous boyfriend (I don't know his name)?