MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #13

[JazzTune]

Huh. Well I find the timing of the house listing interesting. Not (just) because of the possibility of plummeting value if a murder or other violence is found to have occurred there. But because it signals a possible liquidation of shared assets. I also find it interesting that the pool table is staying. Whose decision is that, I wonder? What do pool tables cost, anyway? Enough to buy defense attorneys? Or is this more a symbolic act, and an expectation that FG won't be returning to play pool anytime soon?

Rhetorical questions; sorry if they sound snide. MOO

Good questions and they may be right on target. However, it may have less to do with symbolic acts, or the cost of the pool table itself, but more with the cost of getting it moved.

We have one in our basement and wanted to have it moved to a relative's home. We were quite surprised though when local movers refused to move it due to liability issues.

Told us it has to be done by specialists because it has to be carefully dismantled, and then reassembled after the move.

We called the company we bought it from, and were blown away when we heard the outrageous cost! Serious big time bucks!

That's for local service too in the same city.

We told our relative it was free if he wanted it - just had to pay 'shipping costs.'

When we told him the amount he let out a low whistle, and said it's wayyyy over his budget.

So the pool table is staying put.

That might be the reason FG's pool table is staying put too...

 

[NYArtist]

My observation at looking at the house in 2012, it needed a lot of work inside and out. Over the span of 4 years, the house was almost completely renovated except for the one bedroom. That may have been the final room to be updated. That would be quite a large investment. The floors alone would be the major expense I would think. Was there more than one tenant living in that house during the four year period, or did the present owner make all the changes? Just wondering.The house is 67 years old. Surely in that amount of time there would have been some updates made but then maybe not.

 

[monkeypants]

Huh. Well I find the timing of the house listing interesting. Not (just) because of the possibility of plummeting value if a murder or other violence is found to have occurred there. But because it signals a possible liquidation of shared assets. I also find it interesting that the pool table is staying. Whose decision is that, I wonder? What do pool tables cost, anyway? Enough to buy defense attorneys? Or is this more a symbolic act, and an expectation that FG won't be returning to play pool anytime soon?

Rhetorical questions; sorry if they sound snide. MOO

To be honest, it is extremely common to leave pool tables when you sell the house. For a myriad of reasons. Top 2 are the slate is extremely heavy and costs more to move via movers than it would to just grab a new table, the cost of assembling/reassembling and the weakening of the table during each also. I've left two tables behind in moves for these very reasons. Now, that could be the reason but if I had to guess it's simply because eily is going to be staying with her parents until this nightmare comes to some kind of conclusion and her health stabilizes and there's no place to store such a big possession. I am sure she has realized DNA doesn't lie and it's time to start liquidating things as I'm sure she isn't working and he may have been the sole provider or the one who held the health insurance. Money is going out the window fast between medical and legal and general life I'm sure. It looks like he will never be coming home so she us getting her ducks in a row. I thought I recalled a neighbor stating that the house was pretty quiet and vacant for months before FG name was ever known to the world so they may have been prepping to sell prior to this craziness for financial reasons anyhow. Might be why no one reported moving trucks etc. it might have been down to bare minimum to begin with.

 

[monkeypants]

My observation at looking at the house in 2012, it needed a lot of work inside and out. Over the span of 4 years, the house was almost completely renovated except for the one bedroom. That may have been the final room to be updated. That would be quite a large investment. The floors alone would be the major expense I would think. Was there more than one tenant living in that house during the four year period, or did the present owner make all the changes? Just wondering.The house is 67 years old. Surely in that amount of time there would have been some updates made but then maybe not.

The listing says the home was remodeled in 2000 and then sold in 2004 and that owner didn't sell until 2013 when Eily bought it. So my guess is that she didn't do much other than paint most likely. Idk how many years she's been sick out of the last 4 of ownership either...

 

[Bird of Paradise]

I just did a quick search and don't see any media reports about the house being up for sale, carpet being installed, items being moved out (even if over time).

The neighbors were alert enough to say they saw Dani's car in the driveway, have any of them been on camera or in quotes again about this?

I'm puzzled why the media hasn't jumped on this.

 

[monkeypants]

I just did a quick search and don't see any media reports about the house being up for sale, carpet being installed, items being moved out (even if over time).

The neighbors were alert enough to say they saw Dani's car in the driveway, have any of them been on camera or in quotes again about this?

I'm puzzled why the media hasn't jumped on this.

Yeah that's what made me remember the neighbor interview and if irc people noticed at the time of the search it wasn't decorated or well tended to at that point. I think it was a shell of a place by that point. LE taking the mattress and items may have been the last of big items maybe. They probably had a family friend install carpet and remove leftover flooring from that bedroom in the middle of the night to alleviate the kravitz's. For just one room it would have been done very quickly and quietly. An hour at most really with a few people doing it.

 

[Midge Montana]

Is it a law in MI that you have to disclose any known deaths in a home to a buyer?

Maybe want to get it sold before he gets arrested for it

Michigan does not have that requirement. It's called a stigmatized home. We just put one of our homes up for sale and filled out a seller's disclosure.

From this link: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/home-sellers-michigan-your-disclosure-obligations.html

While some states have specifically addressed whether sellers must disclose whether a property is “stigmatized” (by death, murder, infectious disease, and so forth), Michigan has not yet specifically addressed this issue. The disclosure statement does not include this information, and instead generally limits disclosures to the physical condition of the property.

Here is Michigan's disclosure form: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(2s...eg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-565-957

Unless this has changed within the last month and a half or so, or changes in the future, they wouldn't have to disclose even IF a person was murdered in that home.

 

[monkeypants]

Michigan does not have that requirement. It's called a stigmatized home. We just put one of our homes up for sale and filled out a seller's disclosure.

From this link: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/home-sellers-michigan-your-disclosure-obligations.html

While some states have specifically addressed whether sellers must disclose whether a property is “stigmatized” (by death, murder, infectious disease, and so forth), Michigan has not yet specifically addressed this issue. The disclosure statement does not include this information, and instead generally limits disclosures to the physical condition of the property.

Here is Michigan's disclosure form: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(2s...eg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-565-957

Unless this has changed within the last month and a half or so, or changes in the future, they wouldn't have to disclose even IF a person was murdered in that home.

Thanks!

But then again, regardless if they HAVE to most people that will be searching for a home in that neighborhood will be local vs relocation and will know it's, seemingly, rich history. I'd guess they listed high to negotiate down severely. Someone will take advantage of her misfortune and make a sweet deal for themselves.

 

[Midge Montana]

Thanks!

But then again, regardless if they HAVE to most people that will be searching for a home in that neighborhood will be local vs relocation and will know it's, seemingly, rich history. I'd guess they listed high to negotiate down severely. Someone will take advantage of her misfortune and make a sweet deal for themselves.

Some people don't give a hoot about that kind of stuff, others do. If I were to buy a home, I'd be more interested in the neighborhood, RSO's living nearby, environmental issues, etc. than what may or may not have happened in it. Because, in all honesty, even if a murder happened there in the past it's not like that murderer is going to come back and murder anyone else that lives there later. There is no added danger because of what had happened in that home, as long as it didn't happen because it was in a crime-riddled neighborhood, etc.

It's also a seller's market out there at this time. In my Michigan town, realtors are BEGGING for people to list their homes, because they are 'selling out' of listings. I have had three realtors who are personal friends ask me to sell my second home because they have such a demand.

 

[monkeypants]

Some people don't give a hoot about that kind of stuff, others do. If I were to buy a home, I'd be more interested in the neighborhood, RSO's living nearby, environmental issues, etc. than what may or may not have happened in it. Because, in all honesty, even if a murder happened there in the past it's not like that murderer is going to come back and murder anyone else that lives there later. There is no added danger because of what had happened in that home, as long as it didn't happen because it was in a crime-riddled neighborhood, etc.

It's also a seller's market out there at this time. In my Michigan town, realtors are BEGGING for people to list their homes, because they are 'selling out' of listings. I have had three realtors who are personal friends ask me to sell my second home because they have such a demand.

I think it's more of a creepy factor/belief in unsettled spirits vs murderer return imo

 

[monster12]

Yeah that's what made me remember the neighbor interview and if irc people noticed at the time of the search it wasn't decorated or well tended to at that point. I think it was a shell of a place by that point. LE taking the mattress and items may have been the last of big items maybe. They probably had a family friend install carpet and remove leftover flooring from that bedroom in the middle of the night to alleviate the kravitz's. For just one room it would have been done very quickly and quietly. An hour at most really with a few people doing it.

Hmmm that is a good point. Maybe that's why he took Dani there... if they were not there regularly and say, living with other relatives, the house may have been mostly empty.
Then it may have been a place he thought others wouldn't be coming in and out of and he could store whatever there without it being noticed. My mind is going 500 different directions with this idea so I can't really explain one thought. Ha.

I recall neighbors saying nobody lived there/it was an older couple/FG hadn't lived there in some time/it was a rental. Maybe they said that just to throw people off or maybe they really had no idea and that's why he went to the house that night. But then again, if a house has been mostly left alone and then suddenly there were people there, that might stand out more to neighbors. I don't know. I can't quite put into words what I'm thinking but maybe it makes sense.


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[Lupy]

Good questions and they may be right on target. However, it may have less to do with symbolic acts, or the cost of the pool table itself, but more with the cost of getting it moved.

We have one in our basement and wanted to have it moved to a relative's home. We were quite surprised though when local movers refused to move it due to liability issues.

Told us it has to be done by specialists because it has to be carefully dismantled, and then reassembled after the move.

We called the company we bought it from, and were blown away when we heard the outrageous cost! Serious big time bucks!

That's for local service too in the same city.

We told our relative it was free if he wanted it - just had to pay 'shipping costs.'

When we told him the amount he let out a low whistle, and said it's wayyyy over his budget.

So the pool table is staying put.

That might be the reason FG's pool table is staying put too...

Regarding what you have said about the pool table it seems such a weird room or location in the house to have it assembled then. IMO. It seems that FG's pool/pong hobby took priority over decor. A subtle sign of his personality? Personally I would tell my hubby his pool table would be located in the basement. I have a friend whose pool table is in the basement/recreation room not front and center main floor of house. Maybe he had lots of friends over for practice and games and wanted it located close to kitchen for beverages and access to outside. Just thinking out loud here and just offhanded observations that don't mean much really other than maybe a glimpse of his personality and the relationship dynamic.

 

[monkeypants]

Regarding what you have said about the pool table it seems such a weird room or location in the house to have it assembled then. IMO. It seems that FG's pool/pong hobby took priority over decor. A subtle sign of his personality? Personally I would tell my hubby his pool table would be located in the basement. I have a friend whose pool table is in the basement/recreation room not front and center main floor of house. Maybe he had lots of friends over for practice and games and wanted it located close to kitchen for beverages and access to outside. Just thinking out loud here and just offhanded observations that don't mean much really other than maybe a glimpse of his personality and the relationship dynamic.

It's a 4 bedroom home and they had no kids....plenty of house for just 2 people. And since we can see they both love beer pong and pool from sm pics I would not assume he bullied his way into any decorating imo. Their basement is unfinished and his weights are down there, so obviously he isn't a bully about it or they would be up in one of the empty rooms. Honestly I think he probably treated eily like a queen and this devil personality is reserved for strangers. Not one negative or bad word has ever been said about him from any direction.

 

[Lupy]

I just did a quick search and don't see any media reports about the house being up for sale, carpet being installed, items being moved out (even if over time).

The neighbors were alert enough to say they saw Dani's car in the driveway, have any of them been on camera or in quotes again about this?

I'm puzzled why the media hasn't jumped on this.

I searched as well and nothing noted which is odd. I also find it interesting as moving big furniture items would require a lot of activity and large trucks. Carpet installation could be done by family members by just carrying in the role of carpet and that's it. I have moved several times and also renovated so I know the flurry of activity that is involved. Only thing I can think of is maybe they moved in the dark late night hours or wee hours of the morning to avoid any detection to tip of a media frenzy but still it would be noisy. One other thought, possibly the house has been pretty empty for a long while? Marital relationship not what people think? FG chose the home to bring DS to because it already was half empty anyways?

 

[Lupy]

Hmmm that is a good point. Maybe that's why he took Dani there... if they were not there regularly and say, living with other relatives, the house may have been mostly empty.
Then it may have been a place he thought others wouldn't be coming in and out of and he could store whatever there without it being noticed. My mind is going 500 different directions with this idea so I can't really explain one thought. Ha.

I recall neighbors saying nobody lived there/it was an older couple/FG hadn't lived there in some time/it was a rental. Maybe they said that just to throw people off or maybe they really had no idea and that's why he went to the house that night. But then again, if a house has been mostly left alone and then suddenly there were people there, that might stand out more to neighbors. I don't know. I can't quite put into words what I'm thinking but maybe it makes sense.


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I just posted similar thoughts and I get where you're going with this. I am now further thinking about that big, obtrusive pool table being left there in a pretty much empty house. Did he play alone or have buddies over like a hangout? There is gym equipment in the basement also. It appears to me that it's like a bachelor pad. Hmmm. I don't want to let my imagine wander as to all the nefarious things he could have chosen to do there in that case. MOO

ETA: It appears EG is leaving FG's personal recreation items with the house for sale? That says a lot about where her mind is at.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

I just posted similar thoughts and I get where you're going with this. I am now further thinking about that big, obtrusive pool table being left there in a pretty much empty house. Did he play alone or have buddies over like a hangout? There is gym equipment in the basement also. It appears to me that it's like a bachelor pad. Hmmm. I don't want to let my imagine wander as to all the nefarious things he could have chosen to do there in that case. MOO

ETA: It appears EG is leaving FG's personal recreation items with the house for sale? That says a lot about where her mind is at.

Maybe the pool table came with the house. I didn't look to see if it's in the previous listing photos.

I know we're all looking for answers and I am in no way discouraging other's thoughts, but this is one of those times that I think some things can get over analyzed. JMO and not intended as criticism towards you or anyone else.

 

[Kensie]

I really do not understand all this talk about a pool table. Maybe the pool table was placed in that room because of the pool table size. The house is not very big square footage wise. We don't know why the pool table is in the listing pictures - maybe because it was not necessary to move at that time. Who really cares about the pool table? Not me. I think it has zero to do with Dani.

 

[Owl4]

Is it a law in MI that you have to disclose any known deaths in a home to a buyer?

Maybe want to get it sold before he gets arrested for it

Or to pay his lawyer fees!

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[Owl4]

Hubby and I and our boys are off to rent a canoe on Hines! Going to scope out that box I seen! Thinking always of Dani [emoji72] [emoji179]

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[monster12]

I just posted similar thoughts and I get where you're going with this. I am now further thinking about that big, obtrusive pool table being left there in a pretty much empty house. Did he play alone or have buddies over like a hangout? There is gym equipment in the basement also. It appears to me that it's like a bachelor pad. Hmmm. I don't want to let my imagine wander as to all the nefarious things he could have chosen to do there in that case. MOO

ETA: It appears EG is leaving FG's personal recreation items with the house for sale? That says a lot about where her mind is at.

I'm curious on the activity of the house prior to December. Do neighbors recall a lot of cars being there (his friends) or were they maybe in the process of moving or downsizing already?

In terms of the pool table and weight equipment, I don't think it's that strange. Like others have said, pool tables are very heavy and a pain to move. Most people I know have given them away for free if someone comes to pick them up. I doubt she wanted to go through that hassle. I'm currently house hunting and people leave behind very random and odd items. When I go through some of these houses, it amazes me what people just leave in them. Also, the weights could've been there for the pictures but thrown away or given away since. I highly doubt she's concerned about his weights and personally do not think it means anything.


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