MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #7

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Hi there- new to WS but have been following from the start. I live about 15 min away from IGA. I guess I've been more drawn to this investigation since my cousin and his family are close friends with DS -... Forgive me in advance if I break a rule- I'll try not to... delete if not allowed and my apologies if this was mentioned- but in the last updated article from Fox News a few days ago- that was posted on the Find DS site 1) mentions three cars have been searched. Haven't heard any discussion on that. I know one belonged to DS, probably the second to the SG and the third is a mystery (for good reason I'm sure) but seems this must mean that there was another person involved? 2)Also, in the early threads a woman at IGA mentioned that she was approached awkwardly by a strange man looking for apartment numbers on the same day DS disappeared.(I believe). I'm just wondering if she is still on here and did she follow up with calling in since maybe this was the suspect's accomplice who could've been picking up the suspect after he dropped off the car belonging to DS?? Probably a long shot or maybe they have already followed up on it. Praying for Dani....

Hi, I am the IGA woman with the encounter! The tip was called into LE before I found this site. It did take place around 6pm the day Danielle went missing, December 2. They had dismissed it as coincidence a few weeks ago but called me this morning with more questions. The information they were looking for has not been reported in MSM and revolves around SM stuff so it's nothing that can be freely talked about here as far as I know. I've maintained from my day 1 on here that I would not be giving out the description of the man I encountered and I stick to that, especially because it's seemingly back on the burner, but as I did mention before, he does not match the SG.
 
Hi there- new to WS but have been following from the start. I live about 15 min away from IGA. I guess I've been more drawn to this investigation since my cousin and his family are close friends with DS -... Forgive me in advance if I break a rule- I'll try not to... delete if not allowed and my apologies if this was mentioned- but in the last updated article from Fox News a few days ago- that was posted on the Find DS site 1) mentions three cars have been searched. Haven't heard any discussion on that. I know one belonged to DS, probably the second to the SG and the third is a mystery (for good reason I'm sure) but seems this must mean that there was another person involved? 2)Also, in the early threads a woman at IGA mentioned that she was approached awkwardly by a strange man looking for apartment numbers on the same day DS disappeared.(I believe). I'm just wondering if she is still on here and did she follow up with calling in since maybe this was the suspect's accomplice who could've been picking up the suspect after he dropped off the car belonging to DS?? Probably a long shot or maybe they have already followed up on it. Praying for Dani....
Welcome [emoji2] I was wondering if the third car was SGs wifes car. the person who reported the man at IG did follow up. He doesnt match the description of SG but that is all I recall.

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Thank you for sharing, Lia. Your strength in enduring so much at such a young age is admirable (yes, 28 is still very young to me ;) Midway through your post when referencing your husband as your superman, I got an odd thought about the SG. Being a caretaker can be incredibly overwhelming. In between doctors visits and tending to a sick spouse, there are still the mounting duties of cooking, cleaning, shopping, scheduling, etc. with little time for rest. My daughter has had the flu for a week now and I realize that my husband and I are much different in our care taking. I don't mean this to be sexist, but it's possible that men deal with these pressures much differently than women. I'm not attempting to provide an excuse for the SG in any way, just saying that a year's worth of these added stressors in a fairly new marriage could have driven the SG to behaviors that led to a need to gain back some control in his life. JMO


I agree with you but..gah, you guys are strangers and I'm having a hard time even saying it to this thread..basically, I'm the same age as danielle and most of my friends are ones I've had since 4th grade. When my husband and I started dating we were 14 and 15. We were that couple who people make comments on for being so in love and connected and perfect for each other. When he was in his mid 20s he began acting off and I couldn't figure out what it was. I was at my sickest back then and was hospitalized alot..he was working alot and sleeping in a chair at my bedside and I first felt maybe the stress was finally ruining the incredible connection we had. He was so mean and just off, he was always awake and not knowing the signs, I'd had no idea a specialist he went to wrote him for adderall....and he was taking alot of it so he could be superman and work and live at the hospital with me and teach a few times a month..... He knew I didn't approve of the medication after I'd learned about its dangers in college and a documentary, so he hid it. I discovered the bottle, it was hard. We struggled and I was mortified, I didn't want a soul to know. This wasn't my michael, this isn't what I wanted people to think of him as or see our relationship as. I didn't tell my best friends, I told nobody. I struggled through and kept my feelings hidden...I just didn't want people to think badly of him and I wanted to protect him. I know my friends wouldn't of judged but I just couldn't tell anyone and I'm simplifying it here to illustrate that sometimes people have struggles in their lives that the best friends on the planet don't know. I'm not saying DS was hiding but just felt I should share although even repeating it now, is hard.

My spouse, was my rock, my soul mate and I wanted people to see him for all the amazing things that he was. And despite that short blip, he was everything you could want in your best friend and other half, I was lucky....unfortunately alot of women have the same mentality I displayed with no telling a soul about his issurs, except their spouses are really dangerous or abusive but the women keep silent on that part of him because they want their loved ones to see only the positive attributes but in reality they are hiding an abusive spouse and nobody knows until it's too late. Again, I don't see DS in this type of situation but it's not uncommon for girls to fear the truth their best friends will force them to see if they tell the truth behind a bad relationship

Ew I'm gonna just post this before I delete it lol
 
Thanks for the update, AA! I don't know whether to be more concerned or reassured, though. I'm glad to hear LE is following up on your lead, but I now worry that they are not as close to making an arrest as I had hoped :( I do agree completely, keep a lid on the identify and anything else that hasn't been disclosed in MSM. I would hate for anything to tip off a perp or jeopardize the investigation. Praying DS makes it home soon.


Hi, I am the IGA woman with the encounter! The tip was called into LE before I found this site. It did take place around 6pm the day Danielle went missing, December 2. They had dismissed it as coincidence a few weeks ago but called me this morning with more questions. The information they were looking for has not been reported in MSM and revolves around SM stuff so it's nothing that can be freely talked about here as far as I know. I've maintained from my day 1 on here that I would not be giving out the description of the man I encountered and I stick to that, especially because it's seemingly back on the burner, but as I did mention before, he does not match the SG.
 
FWIW, as of today, Backpage.com was forced to shutdown its Adult section... small victory I suppose.
This makes me so happy. I'm sure something else will pop up but for the meantime this type of site is shut down. And I don't consider it censorship like they are broadcasting. They are pimps, soliciting for cash.
 
Do you have a link? That's not how I've interpreted today's ruling. My understanding is that they are being accused of altering the wording in the ads to conceal trafficking and may be held in contempt for not producing requested documents. I haven't found anything that has shut down or limited the online activities, though. IMO, in the absence of the Supreme Court making a ruling, the states are powerless in holding these creeps accountable. BBM

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/high-court-hear-appeal-backpage-escort-ads-44650744

http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-...e-backpage-com-filtered-escort-ads-1484013188[/FONT][/COLOR]
The most reliable way to verify the absence of the "adult" section is to go to backpage and click on it for any city. Then read "why" it was shut down in one of those links.
 
Today, I was trying to think of a way to depersonalize the discussion about trafficking as posters on both sides felt passionate about it. So to celebrate the current closure of Backpage and DS's family vigil this week to help increase awareness of trafficking, I was inspired to create this diagram.

To bring victims home and to solve disappearances, I do think there are critical distinctions that differentiate various crimes and it is important not to under or over categorize a specific evil act - though there is considerable overlap and many are caused by the same social ills.

I know in this case - we don't have enough facts to put into a certain type yet.

D.S. I hope you will be found safe.
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You just won my heart by creating a Venn diagram. :loveyou:

Just remember, there are always exceptions to every rule, except the rule of death. 100% of the human race will 100% die... maybe sporadically, maybe unevenly, but certainly eventually.
 
Hi, I am the IGA woman with the encounter! The tip was called into LE before I found this site. It did take place around 6pm the day Danielle went missing, December 2. They had dismissed it as coincidence a few weeks ago but called me this morning with more questions. The information they were looking for has not been reported in MSM and revolves around SM stuff so it's nothing that can be freely talked about here as far as I know. I've maintained from my day 1 on here that I would not be giving out the description of the man I encountered and I stick to that, especially because it's seemingly back on the burner, but as I did mention before, he does not match the SG.
Please keep safe.
 
Detroit WDIV - channel 4 - will be having a segment tomorrow about DS, supposedly with some details they said.
 
Please keep safe.

Thanks, GigTu! I consider myself fairly street smart (lived on the eastside of Detroit, went to school downtown Detroit, lived on my own since 19, spent a lot of time at sports games and concerts and bars/restaurants alone, work with schools in undesireable neighborhoods on the regular) and, regardless of if it's something or nothing, this whole incident has reminded me that I'm not as invincible as I convinced myself I was. I have a few super close friends who I've kept up to date on my police chats that now require "I made it to <wherever I'm going> safe" texts.
 
I agree with you but..gah, you guys are strangers and I'm having a hard time even saying it to this thread..basically, I'm the same age as danielle and most of my friends are ones I've had since 4th grade. When my husband and I started dating we were 14 and 15. We were that couple who people make comments on for being so in love and connected and perfect for each other. When he was in his mid 20s he began acting off and I couldn't figure out what it was. I was at my sickest back then and was hospitalized alot..he was working alot and sleeping in a chair at my bedside and I first felt maybe the stress was finally ruining the incredible connection we had. He was so mean and just off, he was always awake and not knowing the signs, I'd had no idea a specialist he went to wrote him for adderall....and he was taking alot of it so he could be superman and work and live at the hospital with me and teach a few times a month..... He knew I didn't approve of the medication after I'd learned about its dangers in college and a documentary, so he hid it. I discovered the bottle, it was hard. We struggled and I was mortified, I didn't want a soul to know. This wasn't my michael, this isn't what I wanted people to think of him as or see our relationship as. I didn't tell my best friends, I told nobody. I struggled through and kept my feelings hidden...I just didn't want people to think badly of him and I wanted to protect him. I know my friends wouldn't of judged but I just couldn't tell anyone and I'm simplifying it here to illustrate that sometimes people have struggles in their lives that the best friends on the planet don't know. I'm not saying DS was hiding but just felt I should share although even repeating it now, is hard.

My spouse, was my rock, my soul mate and I wanted people to see him for all the amazing things that he was. And despite that short blip, he was everything you could want in your best friend and other half, I was lucky....unfortunately alot of women have the same mentality I displayed with no telling a soul about his issurs, except their spouses are really dangerous or abusive but the women keep silent on that part of him because they want their loved ones to see only the positive attributes but in reality they are hiding an abusive spouse and nobody knows until it's too late. Again, I don't see DS in this type of situation but it's not uncommon for girls to fear the truth their best friends will force them to see if they tell the truth behind a bad relationship

Ew I'm gonna just post this before I delete it lol
This is very brave of you and important for all to keep in mind. ( things are not always as they seem ) IMO
Thank you.
Your story really hit home with me & has played out much the same in a couple different scenarios in life.


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Thank you for sharing, Lia. Your strength in enduring so much at such a young age is admirable (yes, 28 is still very young to me ;) Midway through your post when referencing your husband as your superman, I got an odd thought about the SG. Being a caretaker can be incredibly overwhelming. In between doctors visits and tending to a sick spouse, there are still the mounting duties of cooking, cleaning, shopping, scheduling, etc. with little time for rest. My daughter has had the flu for a week now and I realize that my husband and I are much different in our care taking. I don't mean this to be sexist, but it's possible that men deal with these pressures much differently than women. I'm not attempting to provide an excuse for the SG in any way, just saying that a year's worth of these added stressors in a fairly new marriage could have driven the SG to behaviors that led to a need to gain back some control in his life. JMO


Thank you :)

I agree with you completely, I used to tell my spouse that he had a harder job having to see someone he loves suffer and not be able to do anything about it, than I did as a patient..but I know the toll being a caretaker can have on people can be disaster on relationships, your comment about my superman comment got me thinking lol

I remember when I first began becoming very sick I went to read those online support group forums and I realized over the years how very lucky I was to have mike stand by me how he did.

When your stressed out taking care of your spouse but feel guilty for feeling that way and keep quiet, you feel alone ,it seems neverending, it can become so frustrating but I feel that a lot of men are scared to open up about that. they don't want to sound like they are whining about taking care of their spouse while their spouse is gravely ill. I remember this guy saying, "What am I supposed to say to her? Sorry hunny but your cancer is really putting me in a bad mood and having to help you with everything is making me feel resentful towards you. Plus, I know your in horrible pain and can barely get out of bed, but our sex life is non existent and that is also putting me in a really bad place emotionally"

In fact, I noticed that a lot of relationships where there is a longterm or terminal illness end up failing. I cant say what causes it for all of them, but a repeating theme I had noticed was the guys were misdirecting their anger and frustrations--they were really mad at the situation, at the disease even--but it ends up being taken out on the patient. Of course, since the guy feels that if he were to voice his struggling with being a caretaker, he would be a jerk or whatever, this leads to finding outside comfort in some cases.

Of course I have no clue how the SG is feeling or the status of their relationship, however you've brought up a really good point :)

Picture it, SG has been feeling the stress and strain of being a caretaker to his wife. he loves her, but hes getting frustrated, feeling under-appreciated and he believes telling his wife how depressed or down he is, would be insensitive since she is the sick one--perhaps he feels his family may also view his complaining as selfish as well in his mind.

so, eventually, he begins opening up to other women about his stress, his feelings and it starts almost an emotional "affair" in HIS mind. He begins telling a sweet, kind woman about how down he has been and he feels like she really cares, she really is listening to him and that feels good, something he hasn't felt in ages. However, to the woman, she may see this as simply comforting someone in a frail mental spot struggling with all these heavy things and not even notice that he would consider taking it any farther because shes been comforting him about his wife.

but in his mind, he could view the sympathy as an opening, an innocent comment of support from the woman begins to bloom into much more in the SG mind and as he has so much stress and hurting in the other portions of his life, he begins obsessing and revolving his thoughts around her.

In many cases of people who are really sick, the sex life for the couple goes out the window. I remember reading a lot of women would post on these support boards. To the women, its baffling that the male can even THINK about intimacy when she feels like shes been ran over by a train and has no energy but with the guy, it is just one more area of frustration and potential growing spot for resenting his spouse even though it isn't her fault.


In 2009, my friend was seriously ill. She would talk to me about how her boyfriend as time went on, pushed away and she ended up snooping around, and discovered he was having what she called an "emotional affair about to turn physical". She said it would of hurt less if it had just been him looking for physical intimacy but she found email after email of him complaining about the stress and exhaustion of taking care of her on top of his hectic work schedule. That he had begun to feel unappreciated, and the woman would comfort him but for the most part her responses were therapeutic and emotional in nature, not sexual yet but his intentions seemed clear to lin.

Perhaps if a guy who is really struggling with his job as caretaker finds a woman he feels he can finally confide in and talk about all of the things he wanted to talk about with his wife but couldn't, if the guy began making more intimate moves and the woman rejected those moves, I guess I could see how this guy would feel his world falling apart because he had created this obsession with her to block out things in life he didn't want to deal with anymore and the guy becomes enraged and flips out and abducts someone?

Again, this is long lol, sorry, the thought in my head is hard to explain and say right when im writing it down!
 
While I agree that someone would probably tell a long time friend most of the details of their life, it's also true that:

1. No one tells everyone everything. We all keep secrets, and

2. It's been said that her long-time friend had recently lost a child. If your best friend is going through something that devastating, you would probably hold back on sharing your issues for a while, while your friend is dealing with such a huge loss. You'd be more focused on helping her through her ordeal. You would probably self-censor, figuring your friend has more than enough to deal with at the time. IMO, an empathetic person would be sensitive to not over burdening her friend going through the trauma of losing a child, but also because the circumstances of how the child died. It's complicated grief with secondary loss.

I do not believe DS had a secret relationship with the SG, but if she did, I wouldn't necessarily assume that she shared it with her BFF or others.

Just MO
 
What are the chances a perpetrator would execute a premeditated crime in the parking lot he is most likely recognizable?

This question haunts me.

What are the chances a perpetrator would execute a crime, motivated by money, and leave a purse untouched?

This, baffling as well.

It is reasonable however to think, that a late in the day request to leave work early, occurs when something "just came up. For instance someone asks for a few minutes of your time.
 
What are the chances a perpetrator would execute a premeditated crime in the parking lot he is most likely recognizable?

This question haunts me.

What are the chances a perpetrator would execute a crime, motivated by money, and leave a purse untouched?

This, baffling as well.

It is reasonable however to think, that a late in the day request to leave work early, occurs when something "just came up. For instance someone asks for a few minutes of your time.
She requested to leave early to go visit her friend. Do you think she lied to coworkers?
 
You would think the parking lot would be full with workers leaving on a Friday rushing to go home.
 
What you've said helps me understand a lot more and opens my mind up a lot. But I wonder why an insurance company as large as Met Life, located in a building which contracts security guards and is apparently equipped with cameras would allow all those cameras to be in a non working state. Southfield borders Detroit and both cities are exposed to a lot of crime, carjackings and so forth. Has it been confirmed all cameras were inoperable? All I heard was that "They did not get video of her walking out to her car". I perhaps mistakenly implied "they did get video of her leaving the lot".

I've been wondering about the camera situation myself. I worked at Blue Cross Blue Shield for 4 years, and they have what sounds like a similar setup as MetLife. We had a handful of security guards who mainly worked the front lobby (monitoring surveillance footage, logging visitors, verifying employment and issuing temporary ID cards that are required to access all buildings for those who forgot theirs at home, etc.). I can't imagine any scenario that would result in a complete breakdown of their video surveillance, and if one such scenario did occur, the company would likely force all employees to promptly remove themselves from the premises until the issue could be rectified. There's just way too much liability involved for an insurance provider if they fail to monitor every inch of their property at all times. They are also required BY LAW to maintain specific, and often strenuous, safeguards to ensure their client's privacy is protected.


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I've been wondering about the camera situation myself. I worked at Blue Cross Blue Shield for 4 years, and they have what sounds like a similar setup as MetLife. We had a handful of security guards who mainly worked the front lobby (monitoring surveillance footage, logging visitors, verifying employment and issuing temporary ID cards that are required to access all buildings for those who forgot theirs at home, etc.). I can't imagine any scenario that would result in a complete breakdown of their video surveillance, and if one such scenario did occur, the company would likely force all employees to promptly remove themselves from the premises until the issue could be rectified. There's just way too much liability involved for an insurance provider if they fail to monitor every inch of their property at all times. They are also required BY LAW to maintain specific, and often strenuous, safeguards to ensure their client's privacy is protected.


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Medical records have their own specific laws, BCBS is medical insurance, MetLife is not. Even so medical records do not require security guards, which were the buildings that MetLife leases from not MetLifes.

In the building video surveillance would satisfy liability for maintaining records(although Im not aware of laws that require even that). Video surveillance outside the building would not be needed to maintain records, when it's provided inside the building.

At this time businesses are not required in Mi to have security guards and/or video surveillance to maintain a safe environment for employees.
 
Thanks, GigTu! I consider myself fairly street smart (lived on the eastside of Detroit, went to school downtown Detroit, lived on my own since 19, spent a lot of time at sports games and concerts and bars/restaurants alone, work with schools in undesireable neighborhoods on the regular) and, regardless of if it's something or nothing, this whole incident has reminded me that I'm not as invincible as I convinced myself I was. I have a few super close friends who I've kept up to date on my police chats that now require "I made it to <wherever I'm going> safe" texts.

Yes , please continue to be aware of your surroundings. I have a daughter the same age as DS and we go over quite frequently safety reminders. I also gave her a dog for her birthday a VERY BIG DOG ! He is her guardian and takes his role seriously. I tell her to keep her car keys in her hand at all times going to / from her car with her thumb on the panic button and to push it if she ever feels uncomfortable no matter what the reason is. I would rather be embarrassed than risk it being a real threat. I remind her to take her keys to bed with her and use the panic button if she hears things outside ( usually ) the dog gives good warnings. She also text me where she's going just so someone knows . Probably sounds a bit much but I too am street smart and work in a job field that has given more than enough reason to feel these things need to be addressed. Well that and I am a MaMa bear and I protect what's mine the best I know how. Things can happen even with all the safety precautions in the world I just like to think I am one step closer than behind.

Listen to your gut , if somethings not right follow your instincts. Mine have always been right.
 
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