MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #3

[sunflowerchick]

Again it goes back to my original statement. If LE is "out to get him" or even if he just thinks they are, something as simple as "providing a statement" becomes much more difficult. Those who distrust LE believe that they can and will twist or alter your words to make your statement fit the crime. I have seen this happen.

Let me ask you a question: Have you ever been stopped for a minor traffic violation or even questioned by LE about anything? Unfortunately I have and they haven't all been positive experiences. I was stopped once for something I didn't do. I had witnesses in my car that knew what he said did NOT occur and I was still cited and had to pay a fine. In the whole process, my words were twisted around and used against me even though I had witnesses to prove my side. That was a minor traffic citation. I can't even imagine being confronted with something more serious.

 

[black_squirrel]

I have several theories, but here is the first one:

Julia invited a (boy)friend over. The friend made sexual avances, which were reject. He strangles her in anger until she is unconscious. Because of her medical condition, this may have been very quickly. Also, note that manual strangulation does not always leave marks, especially when done from a choke hold. When she does not wake up the perp realizes he may go to jail so he makes sure she is dead by drowning her. I wonder though how she could have invited the person over. Police must have checked her cell phone records, emails etc. Perhaps she met the person earlier that day and invited him. Could be a friend from work or a friendly neighbor (or so she thought).

It is unclear of course who this person could be. We do know that there was a basketball player who was accused (in 2013) by his girl-friend of strangling her (but she later did not show up in court). This alleged incident happened in the same apartment complex as where Julia lived. Julia knew many basketball players, male and female, and I think she dated at least one. It is very likely that she knew this particular basketball player (the one that was accused) and she was interested in tall men. The men's team had won a game earlier that weekend.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Again it goes back to my original statement. If LE is "out to get him" or even if he just thinks they are, something as simple as "providing a statement" becomes much more difficult. Those who distrust LE believe that they can and will twist or alter your words to make your statement fit the crime. I have seen this happen.

Let me ask you a question: Have you ever been stopped for a minor traffic violation or even questioned by LE about anything? Unfortunately I have and they haven't all been positive experiences. I was stopped once for something I didn't do. I had witnesses in my car that knew what he said did NOT occur and I was still cited and had to pay a fine. In the whole process, my words were twisted around and used against me even though I had witnesses to prove my side. That was a minor traffic citation. I can't even imagine being confronted with something more serious.

I will agree with all of the above. That said, if I found myself in some surreal situation like Mr. Turnquist, I *would* have defense for all the reasons you cite....BUT I would proceed with providing whatever statements and polygraphs they required to check me off the hinky list and move on to finding the real Perp. Make sense?
And this, is what continues to bother me.....why isn't he doing that? He has defense, he should help LE, not distract them.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I have several theories, but here is the first one:

Julia invited a (boy)friend over. The friend made sexual avances, which were reject. He strangles her in anger until she is unconscious. Because of her medical condition, this may have been very quickly. Also, note that manual strangulation does not always leave marks, especially when done from a choke hold. When she does not wake up the perp realizes he may go to jail so he makes sure she is dead by drowning her. I wonder though how she could have invited the person over. Police must have checked her cell phone records, emails etc. Perhaps she met the person earlier that day and invited him. Could be a friend from work or a friendly neighbor (or so she thought).

It is unclear of course who this person could be. We do know that there was a basketball player who was accused (in 2013) by his girl-friend of strangling her (but she later did not show up in court). This alleged incident happened in the same apartment complex as where Julia lived. Julia knew many basketball players, male and female, and I think she dated at least one. It is very likely that she knew this particular basketball player (the one that was accused) and she was interested in tall men. The men's team had won a game earlier that weekend.

These are all very good theories and possibilities. Then why isn't LE pursuing them? What do they know that we don't? Why isn't Mr. Turnquist getting himself out of the way so LE can move on? I'm so hung up on why he won't clear himself?! I'm beyond baffled.

 

[sunflowerchick]

Perhaps his lawyers have advised him not to? Perhaps he has and LE hasn't been entirely forthcoming? We just don't know.

 

[Spellbound]

Just throwing this out as another possibility. Perhaps Julia let a "maintenance type person" in to do a repair? Although I would think any repairs needed would have been pre-arranged and she should have known to expect the person, someone could have come to the door with an "urgently need to fix such-and-such" and she let him in, went to her room, ..... then either was attacked or had an unwanted sexual advance that led to this tragedy.

 

[Forager]

I have several theories, but here is the first one:

Julia invited a (boy)friend over. The friend made sexual avances, which were reject. He strangles her in anger until she is unconscious. Because of her medical condition, this may have been very quickly. Also, note that manual strangulation does not always leave marks, especially when done from a choke hold. When she does not wake up the perp realizes he may go to jail so he makes sure she is dead by drowning her. I wonder though how she could have invited the person over. Police must have checked her cell phone records, emails etc. Perhaps she met the person earlier that day and invited him. Could be a friend from work or a friendly neighbor (or so she thought).

It is unclear of course who this person could be. We do know that there was a basketball player who was accused (in 2013) by his girl-friend of strangling her (but she later did not show up in court). This alleged incident happened in the same apartment complex as where Julia lived. Julia knew many basketball players, male and female, and I think she dated at least one. It is very likely that she knew this particular basketball player (the one that was accused) and she was interested in tall men. The men's team had won a game earlier that weekend.

Thanks for that. I hadn't heard about that assault by the basketball player accused of assault in 2013 (the slow learner, if he is really our guy). I'll put the incident on the Julia map, with a caveat about it not necessarily being related to the case. Do you have a source I could site? (I tried to find it for myself, I did, but there are so many posts).

We're generally thin on map points related to her life at EMU, and it sounds like you are well up on the case history. Can you think of other points I might add to the map?

 

[dmc43613]

I agree with Roses about not understanding whyJT wouldn't get himself off the POI list.

I have a couple of theories 1) JT may have said something that was twisted in a previous statement and is fearful he could be perceived as lying. 2) Someone lied about his alibi because they knew his whereabouts could not be corroborated.

I have sort of felt like this a was personal attack, and I keep going back to a roommate or a roomates friend.

There was no sexual assault (as far as we know), the body was in an "unnatural" position; could it be because someone could not lift Julia or easily move her (a smaller woman)?

I know we've read that a roommate was in and out the couple of days or during the weekend and that the other went home for the weekend, but let's be honest "home" for either roommate is NO alibi, IMO.

I cannot get past 2 people living in an apartment hearing a cell phone, an alarm no car movement from a girl who was always on the go, always on her cell phone, and they let that go for 2 days??!!

If a roommate was home for weekend, wouldn't she have gotten back to the apartment Sunday night sometime? It was finals, if she didn't return to the apartment on Sunday, wouldn't that be odd?

I cannot get past the roommates or a connection to the roommates.

 

[black_squirrel]

Thanks for that. I hadn't heard about that assault by the basketball player accused of assault in 2013 (the slow learner, if he is really our guy). I'll put the incident on the Julia map, with a caveat about it not necessarily being related to the case. Do you have a source I could site? (I tried to find it for myself, I did, but there are so many posts).

We're generally thin on map points related to her life at EMU, and it sounds like you are well up on the case history. Can you think of other points I might add to the map?

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsila...ed-following-arraignment-on-criminal-charges/

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsila...ketball-player-accused-of-choking-girlfriend/

http://heritage.com/articles/2013/06/02/ypsilanti_courier/news/doc51a7b6096bd2f207328313.txt

None of the articles I have seen makes a link to Julia's death. I am not sure if LE has interviewed GB.

 

[Trojan1966]

Was Julia in her last year at EMU?
Did she have concrete plans where to go after she completed her study?
Did she plan to leave Ypsilanti/Monroe?

I believe she would have graduated in May 2013. I may be wrong too.
She did not have any "concrete" plans although I know she enjoyed the "big" cities of New York and Chicago. So my answer would be "yes" she planned on leaving her hometown of Monroe. She really wanted to be the person on camera doing something with TV industry. She had the personality for that and so said her friends and college instructors. She really enjoyed her visit to the Anderson Cooper show when she was in New York on a EMU class trip.

 

[FindHG]

I believe she would have graduated in May 2013. I may be wrong too.
She did not have any "concrete" plans although I know she enjoyed the "big" cities of New York and Chicago. So my answer would be "yes" she planned on leaving her hometown of Monroe. She really wanted to be the person on camera doing something with TV industry. She had the personality for that and so said her friends and college instructors. She really enjoyed her visit to the Anderson Cooper show when she was in New York on a EMU class trip.

When I think of your grand-daughter, her friends at EMU, how hard she worked to keep up, move ahead, into her own, her excitement about her trip, her ambitions, who Julia is most vibrant for me with that.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

We have a teenager who currently is about a day from not having a door ...because of the constant slamming, my husband goes fishing alone...to relax....I avoid my mother in law like the plague...because she's crazy...I work and function in a 30 mile radius of my home...because it's convenient. My husband most definitely has watched *advertiser censored*...because he is a man... and lastly I would lawyer up if I was questioned by the police...simply because it's the smart thing to do...and probably why it's part of your Miranda rights.

I'm sure many of you will take this as me defending...to me these are all just part of life. Of course....jmo.

I hope you're suggesting this as a generality and not as fact. I can assure you that my husband of nearly 44 years has never looked at *advertiser censored* nor would ever consider doing so. I read your post aloud to him last night, and he was not amused.

 

[MIMOMMY]

Bette - perhaps, and I am not meaning to sound rude here, but it is that we are from a much younger generation? I know you stated that your husband did not find it amusing - but when I mentioned the subject to my husband, or even coworkers it was agreed that looking at pornographic images by both men and women is considered very common in today's society - again perhaps in younger generations. The internet, I believe is a very strong contributing factor to this as you can do this now basically anywhere and does not require purchasing these images in print form and then finding somewhere to "stash" them, which would have been the case even in the '80's.

Actually, I just attended a seminar on this very subject - the openness of sexuality and how it has changed in the last 4 - 5 generations. The statistics on this are staggering - in some cases the reports are that 64-80% of men are habitual *advertiser censored* "viewers".

Being comfortable in your own sexuality and with sex in general is something that has really changed. In fact, while obtaining my undergrad I was required to take several classes in sexuality and how it effects cultures and personalities, etc.

 

[Forager]

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsila...ed-following-arraignment-on-criminal-charges/

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsila...ketball-player-accused-of-choking-girlfriend/

http://heritage.com/articles/2013/06/02/ypsilanti_courier/news/doc51a7b6096bd2f207328313.txt

None of the articles I have seen makes a link to Julia's death. I am not sure if LE has interviewed GB.

Thanks Black_Squirrel! I've added a marker for the GB arrest at the location of the Peninsular Place building where Julia lived. You have to zoom in pretty tightly around the Pen.Pl. building to see the marker, a little red square. I've linked your articles in the caption to the marker.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.kY07lN8zpHx0

 

[DazednConfuzed09]

As long as we focus on Julia being a victim. The subject of erotic asphyxia could easily suggest that Julia was into kinky sexual practices (alone or with others) and should be avoided unless or until more details of the homicide are released. :moo:

There is no doubt that Julia is the victim. I thought the purpose of this website was to discuss possibilities and question scenarios that could have happened. I asked the question because I recently learned of a friend who has been asked to participate in this type of play and she has agreed to because she really wanted to date this particular guy. I personally don't care what other people (two consenting adults) are into especially if it doesn't involve me. Who am I to judge?!

 

[rosesfromangels]

as it relates to this thread, we are talking about *advertiser censored* that allegedly involved underage children, which is illegal.

 

[justnosey]

Even though many of us have different theories about what happened, I think we can ALL AGREE that we want Justice for Julia! We all come from different walks of life and backgrounds, and each one of us brings something to the table. We are united by a common goal here: to seek justice. Each of us exercise our sleuthing muscle to the deepest, and darkest places imaginable...emotions are high and we are all frustrated. Yet this is exactly what helps find the truth. We can make a difference. I have full faith in LE and our justice system (although not perfect by any means), that we will learn the identity of those responsible and they will be held accountable for the murder of Julia Niswender.

 

[Forager]

There is no doubt that Julia is the victim. I thought the purpose of this website was to discuss possibilities and question scenarios that could have happened. I asked the question because I recently learned of a friend who has been asked to participate in this type of play and she has agreed to because she really wanted to date this particular guy. I personally don't care what other people (two consenting adults) are into especially if it doesn't involve me. Who am I to judge?!

I'm sure that Bette wasn't too squeamish to consider that angle. Her point was in defense of Julia, who isn't here to challenge the slight that is easy to read in your questions, even if no disrespect was intended.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I'm sure this was discussed earlier, but I wasn't aware of it until now when I read an earlier article. Julia was asphyxiated before she was placed in the bathtub. The article goes on to describe a medical condition Julia shared with her twin and her mother, vasovagal syncope. This condition can cause an individual to lose consciousness at moments of high distress, but was "absolutely" ruled out as a factor in her death.

In light of the other facts, i.e., no sign of forced entry, no evidence of robbery, Christmas gifts still wrapped, purse "untouched"; one could surmise that Julia's death was set up to look like an accidental drowning after she suddenly lost consciousness while taking a bath. I'm not pointing fingers at the stepdad or anyone else, but I can see now why LE might be looking for a suspect who knew Julia well enough to be aware of her medical condition, but who was unaware that an autopsy could rule out a vasovagal syncope event prior to drowning. Just a thought.

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2013/11/julia_niswender.html

Very well stated. I'm just hearing about this case. I notice we have a family member on the thread as well.

I'm sorry for the loss of this young ladies life.

 

[MIMOMMY]

What I think is most amazing about this particular thread is that not only do we have family members - but we also have an employer of the POI, as well as family friends. It's not often in the case's that I follow on here that you have the ability to question many different angles of the victims life.