MI - Nevaeh Buchanan, 5, Monroe, 24 May 2009 - scooter abandoned - #3

[E-U-R]

These days it seems as if all the media reports are inconsistant. It causes confusion, then much later on we sometimes quote a report that turned out not to be true or at least factual.

I wish the writers of these articles would double check their facts when writing about this sort of thing. Example: Nevaeh was clothed in clothing similiar to those she was wearing when she disappeared. Then in the Fox tape we hear that Nevaeh was found unclothed.

This is just too serious and too sad for reporters to just throw things out there without checking for the real facts! Which one should we believe?


OK, I am done now. Sorry.

agreed reporters really don't do that much fact checking these days but this could be twisted and perhaps the clothes were inside but not on the body... if she was undressed still this suggests no remorse of the killer and makes you wonder what type of person would undress a child.... if you think that putting a body in cement is a fail proof way to get rid of it then you would probably assume the clothes should be disposed of that way as well... but not the receipts from the purchase because those could have prints you would want to make sure those were rendered destroyed
JMO

 

[not_my_kids]

The teenager said the body was encased in a cement block and they could smell it. His father, he said, chipped a piece of cement away and saw skin and when he saw skin, he stopped and called police. The block was near the water.

Don't know if she was gone. Would have to wait for the autopsy report but my guess would be yes she was already gone.

I would assume so too, but we all know that the horrors never quite end.

 

[Kat]

In case this hasn't already been posted.

NANCY GRACE

Child`s Body Found Near a Michigan River

Aired June 4, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/04/ng.01.html

You Rock chicoliving! I thought I had to wait until morning! Thank you.

 

[FLtwinmom]

I can't belive this has happened yet again. What the hell is wrong with this "mother"? When I listened to her interview on NG I thought she sounded a lot like Casey Anthony- the long pauses between answers the lame excuses, she is covering for someone or something.
Why the hell can't our lawmakers understand that pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated? So the pharmaceutical companies can come up with Viagra- what about a drug with the opposite effect- chemical castration?
Do we as a nation care more about the rights of a criminal? I certainly don't and I do not give a rats *advertiser censored* if a RSO or SP "member" shrivels up and falls off. DAMNIT I WANT OUR CHILDREN SAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:furious:

RIP Sweet Girl- may you only feel love and comfort from this day on.

 

[ilovemew]

I would assume so too, but we all know that the horrors never quite end.

Very true. I took a break from here after Sandra's case and I came back a few days ago. Now to hear about this concrete thing it just makes me ill.

 

[RR0004]

I have no words. This is so heartwrenching.

 

[ilovemew]

I have been following this case from the beginning. I just could not join in the sleuthing. it just getting too hard

nevaeh, you are loved by all. rest in peace. we will all love and miss you


Nevaeh,Caylee,Sandra. I know you are in a better place, skipping and playing and in no pain
when you get settled in
If your listening, if you could take a sec and let someone know where we could find Haleigh and adji it would really mean a lot love you all

My thoughts and prayers are with family and friends of all

This made me tear up. Beautiful :blowkiss:

 

[E-U-R]

I am afraid the concrete may not be the smoking gun after all. If it is as flaky, as thin as I am surmising it to be it might not hold the all the evidence I was hoping it did. OTH maybe it will have preserved the body somewhat for better analysis, therefore, better examination and DNA recovery, hopefully.

to me flakey suggests either it was someone not familiar with the proper mix ratio as that is a clear indicator of too much water
or
it was placed in the water before it was completely set

 

[Kat]

My thoughts run along those lines. Maybe it was an accidental killing (although still crime involved here obviously...something like daddy george just wanted to "love" her/rape her, then she died, and he felt sadness??)...or maybe the actual perp didn't do the burying. He had someone else do it, someone who isn't a predator, someone who felt sad for the little girl and wanted her found and/or protected, but yet felt compelled to protect kennedy due to a "crush"? would a woman bury a child for a man? seeming more and more like it.

From other cases of children who have been murdered we have seen that many times a woman (usually mother or primary caregiver) when encase the child's body in what's called a womblike fashion. Either wrapping it in plastic or submerging it in water or both.

Now I'm not thinking her Mother had a part in this...but I'm very curious about how she was placed and what the concrete was like because maybe it could be considered an encasing almost womblike. Just curious about that aspect.

 

[bessie]

As I said, I know nothing about concrete, well, very little, anyway. But, there's a POI in custody who was living in a motel just yards away from a cement (concrete) mixing yard. Is it possible that he broke into that yard and filled a sack, dumped it over her the poor child's body, and filled the hole with water from the river? Another words, a hasty job done by someone with little knowledge of concrete, thus the "crumbling". In the photo I posted, the yard appears to be accessible.

I don't know...I'm just trying to stay distracted by focusing on this aspect. I'm really shaken and very sad.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
Mom and Nevaeh lived with grandma.

Are you sure? What I heard earlier when they were asking where the family was gathering, someone said they were together at the house except for JB who was at the apartment with a friend. Her brother's interview sounded like JB lived away from grandma and Nevaeh.

 

[LaLaw2000]

bumping this up... it is an interview with the man who found the body. He was standing on top of the concrete at the edge of the water fishing... it took several hours to crumble and he kicked at it and saw skin and called 911.. It seems that the crete was poured over the shallow grave.. this interview was very enlightening as it came from the man who found her...

Nursebeeme, thank you for this link. I did watch the tape and this man and also the reporting seemed credible.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Are you sure? What I heard earlier when they were asking where the family was gathering, someone said they were together at the house except for JB who was at the apartment with a friend. Her brother's interview sounded like JB lived away from grandma and Nevaeh.

I thought I was sure because that's what I read in at least one report, but as we all know, reports vary.

 

[Kat]

agreed reporters really don't do that much fact checking these days but this could be twisted and perhaps the clothes were inside but not on the body... if she was undressed still this suggests no remorse of the killer and makes you wonder what type of person would undress a child.... if you think that putting a body in cement is a fail proof way to get rid of it then you would probably assume the clothes should be disposed of that way as well... but not the receipts from the purchase because those could have prints you would want to make sure those were rendered destroyed
JMO

Bolded respectfully by me.

I see the type of person that would undress a child and bury her without clothes on her body as seeing that child as an object not a human being. JMHO KWIM? Then we have the body encased or covered or in some manner hidden with concrete which could show a perverted sense of remorse too.

The clothes are bothering me and I can't quite puzzle out what it is exactly.

If the clothes were with her, why? Why put her clothes in there? Why not dispose of them along the way? Or burn them? Or cut them into small pieces and drop them at random areas? Strange.

 

[E-U-R]

Thank you. So in short, the bio mom really was in control here. I wonder why CPS allowed that they all live under the same roof. I've yet to see the grandma on TV, and can't imagine what she's going thru right now.

As far as the bio-mom, I really don't care what she may be going thru. I (IMHO) blame her for all of this -- especially if we find out the boyfriend SO did this. I bet grandma didn't have a clue.

MOO

Mel

I don't know if mom had any prior dcf issues but if she didn't have any before her home invasion charge or was in the middle of one during it dcf would take steps to ensure that when the mother was imprisoned the kid would have somewhere to go and they ususally suggest that you hand custody over to a relative before you go to jail because once you are in jail your kid would automaticly go to dcf unless something was implemented ahead of time

 

[Syttende]

Hello all... Like most others here, I have somewhat of a personal attachment to this case since it is quite tragic and another classic example of an angel ending up in an unfortunate, terribly run household by a druggie mother. The part about sex offenders being around Nevaeh is what gets me the most. Indeed, those monsters should have never been allowed around Nevaeh, and her "mother" should have kept a better eye on her.

I don't think the SO mentioned earlier in this thread (Davis, was it?) is involved, but that's just a hunch I have. The myspace con is definitely fishy, though, and IMO he should be thrown back in jail. I thoroughly believe this was more of a domestic than stranger incident - that George Kennedy and his "girlfriend" had a role here, and that perhaps the Mom knew of their (or his) plans to harm Nevaeh and allowed it to happen. This would explain the suspicious alibi and timeline of events she provided to police. Maybe she felt that Nevaeh was impeding on her lifestyle and decided that it would be best to satisfy her pedophile (boy)friend and get Nevaeh out of her life at the same time. Two birds with one stone.

Does anyone have any info on the relative intelligence (heh) of George Kennedy? The crime scene seems so sloppy, like the guy had no idea what he was doing and was in a rush to bury Nevaeh's body. I don't think he wanted to "protect" her body from the small animals like has been suggested, I think he was worried about the media circus (like the Jessica Lunsford case) and wanted to get rid of the evidence ASAP.

These are all just things I've inferred, and I'm sorry that my insight brings nothing new to the table. Anyway, my heart goes out to the grandma, and most importantly Nevaeh, who is undoubtedly in a better place now. Rest in peace, solitude, and happiness, Nevaeh...

 

[Salem]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090604_nevaeh_search

also... this video report says that when she was found SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLOTHES ON

I can't provide links at the moment, but my understanding was that the clothes were found in the area and that they matched the clothes Nevaeh was last seen wearing. This was said before they actually recovered the body, I believe. Like the hair that wasn't in the water and apparently was not attached to her little head anymore

Salem

 

[scandi]

Gibby... thank you. *hugs back* friend

When this started up a week ago... I was like "Oh God... I can't take another one"... and then I realized that it happens all the time, and that there all kinds of really sick f'd up people all over there place... and we only hear about the ones that HLN deems interesting enough for random bloggers to come out and talk about.

It makes me want to vomit...


But Christ... this has taken the worst turn of events it possibly can.


I'll just shut up and say, I'm terribly sorry and my heart goes out to her family.


Seriously... if you engineers want to talk about concrete... you need another hobby. It's like that damn brick in the door again.

Hi Issi, I am a bit taken aback in your thinking that Sleuthing crime is a hobby for many posters here.

If you knew the hours of dedication so many of our friends here spend in looking for the pieces of the puzzle that fit, I think you might reword your last sentence.

Many of our posters are professionals in their own field of expertise and bring their talents to the table. Genuine real live people who sometimes are also involved in these cases, even if on a peripheral basis. The rest of us have other talents and backgrounds which simply add to the quest.

I also think every poster here feels absolutely terrible about Navaeh. A special little child senselessly taken before her time.

 

[E-U-R]

My thoughts run along those lines. Maybe it was an accidental killing (although still crime involved here obviously...something like daddy george just wanted to "love" her/rape her, then she died, and he felt sadness??)...or maybe the actual perp didn't do the burying. He had someone else do it, someone who isn't a predator, someone who felt sad for the little girl and wanted her found and/or protected, but yet felt compelled to protect kennedy due to a "crush"? would a woman bury a child for a man? seeming more and more like it.

if it ends up fact that she was undressed then the killer did not feel bad what so ever and she was not intended to be found he or she just didn't know how to mix concrete... if it was a one time freak occurence of molestation by someone she knew then he most likely would have redressed her out of remorse so as to not let her be humiliated

 

[Beyond Belief]

i want to know how many of them (SO's) are involved in this.
The evidence of the flies they mentioned will pinpoint the time/day she was put along the rivers edge.