GUILTY MI - Renisha McBride, 19, shot while trying to get help, Detroit, Nov 2013

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Homeowner charged in deadly Mich. porch shooting

COREY WILLIAMS, AP
39 minutes ago

DETROIT (AP) — Prosecutors on Friday charged a suburban Detroit homeowner with second-degree murder in the death of a 19-year-old woman who was shot in the face on his porch.

Theodore P. Wafer, 54, of Dearborn Heights, also faces a manslaughter charge in the death of Renisha McBride in the early-morning hours of Nov. 2, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said. McBride was shot in the face after police say they believe she was involved in a car accident nearby in Detroit and family members say she likely approached Wafer's home for help.

Civil rights groups have called for a thorough investigation, saying they believe race was a factor in the shooting — McBride was black, Wafer is white. Prosecutors insisted that race was not relevant.

"In this case, the charging decision has absolutely nothing to do with the race of the parties," Worthy said Friday...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20131115/US--Porch.Shooting/
 
AnaTeresa said:
Respectfully, I disagree. Where she was beforehand has nothing to do with whether the homeowner acted properly in the eyes of the law. For example, if a woman is raped, what she was wearing isn't relevant. The same concept applies here. While Renisha's actions at the homeowner's house is relevant in determining whether the homeowner acted appropriately, what she was doing before the accident isn't.
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I disagree, her behavior at his home is very important. She was so high she caused a high impact accident with a parked car. lost 3 hrs. No telling what the hell she did at his house to cause him to shoot. I stand behind him. But I thought Zimmerman was guilty too.
 
Irisha said:
I disagree, her behavior at his home is very important. She was so high she caused a high impact accident with a parked car. lost 3 hrs. No telling what the hell she did at his house to cause him to shoot. I stand behind him. But I thought Zimmerman was guilty too.
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most likely that was taken into account before charging him? :twocents: (trajectory, etc.. as it was stated upstream that they asked for additional info)

I realize that this is really terrible.. I mean someone comes up to your house in the middle of the night and you think they are robbing you so you shoot them thinking you can, and then you find yourself in court?

there are a lot of issues here that need to be explored. I am sure it will all come out in due time as this progresses... until then we have to just stick to the facts at hand (scant right now)

I will move this to awaiting trial
 
in terms of the assumption that Renisha was high at the time of this accident and shooting - please remember that marijuana stays in your systems for approximately 30 days. They are currently working on developing tests that can better target when the THC was consumed, but right now, there is no quick easy way to determine when someone ingested marijuana with accuracy.

She may have been high that night, sure, but just want to make sure we don't make (too many) assumptions.
 
I'm actually not at all bothered with the marijuana in her system. The BAC is what concerns me.
 
Karmady said:
imo, if I live where this guy did, on the border of Detroit, there's a 95-100% chance that someone trying my doors at 3:40 a.m. is a criminal. Most likely a home invasion or minimum a burglary with a weapon. Like I said, I would never live there voluntarily. But if you DO live there, imo, you can't be faulted for reaching the most likely conclusion about why someone's trying to get into your house in the wee hours. Whether this shooting was accidental, justified or otherwise, is the only question in my mind. I have no doubt that the homeowner thought he was in grave danger, even though it fortuitously turned out he probably was not. jmo
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Still not read all of the posts yet, but this one caught my eye whilst scrolling.

I don't think this is limited to "On the border or Detroit", I think it applies anywhere you may live. Yes, Detroit can be a hellhole, but a home invasion can happen just about anywhere.
BTW, I do not live here voluntarily either (north of Detroit, but I have lived closer to the city in my lifetime). I would much prefer a nice island of my own somewhere, or perhaps a villa in Bellagio, Italy :seeya:
 
tlcya said:
I am splitting it down the middle. I am sitting in that grey area somewhere in between.

I feel her actions and behaviors while on the homeowner's property may be very relevant and factor into his decision to shoot. I feel her actions prior to the shooting, before she set foot on his property, including who she drank and partied with and where is completely irrelevant as the homeowner had no way of knowing any of that and therefor THAT info could NOT be a factor in his response.
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I'm on his side.


It is relevent,, because it may have defind her behavior that night. Sheesh.............she lost 3 hrs. that nobody can account for. I'm trying so hard to not blaming the victim, Ms. McBride, but in her state of intox. he had every right to fear.
 
Nymeria said:
Still not read all of the posts yet, but this one caught my eye whilst scrolling.

I don't think this is limited to "On the border or Detroit", I think it applies anywhere you may live. Yes, Detroit can be a hellhole, but a home invasion can happen just about anywhere.
BTW, I do not live here voluntarily either (north of Detroit, but I have lived closer to the city in my lifetime). I would much prefer a nice island of my own somewhere, or perhaps a villa in Bellagio, Italy :seeya:
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I agree with you. I think it's true that in most places someone trying your doors at 3 in the morning would lead you to the same conclusion. I guess I was just thinking that if you live where he did, it's probably something you think or worry about on a regular basis. Where I live right now, I don't worry about it or even think about it much. But, you're right, if someone was outside my front door like that my first thought would still be that I was in danger.

And I'm with ya on the island or the villa. Unfortunately, not to be in this lifetime :tantrum:
 
Nymeria said:
Still not read all of the posts yet, but this one caught my eye whilst scrolling.

I don't think this is limited to "On the border or Detroit", I think it applies anywhere you may live. Yes, Detroit can be a hellhole, but a home invasion can happen just about anywhere.
BTW, I do not live here voluntarily either (north of Detroit, but I have lived closer to the city in my lifetime). I would much prefer a nice island of my own somewhere, or perhaps a villa in Bellagio, Italy :seeya:
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I grew up in Detroit but haven't lived in the city since 1971. DH and I have lived in two north-suburban communities for almost 40 years and have always felt safe. There were no break-ins that we were aware of in our previous neighborhoods and only two that we know about where we live now. Both cases appeared to be homeowner carelessness (doors not locked).

If someone was on our front porch (or rear deck/patio) in the wee hours, we would immediately call 9-1-1 from the bedroom and not venture to either door to see who was there. No reason why anyone should show up on our doorstep in the middle of the night.
 
Karmady said:
imo, if I live where this guy did, on the border of Detroit, there's a 95-100% chance that someone trying my doors at 3:40 a.m. is a criminal. Most likely a home invasion or minimum a burglary with a weapon. Like I said, I would never live there voluntarily. But if you DO live there, imo, you can't be faulted for reaching the most likely conclusion about why someone's trying to get into your house in the wee hours. Whether this shooting was accidental, justified or otherwise, is the only question in my mind. I have no doubt that the homeowner thought he was in grave danger, even though it fortuitously turned out he probably was not. jmo
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Karmady, with all due respect, I work in Detroit and have roots going back several generations. Whichever post said they were raised in Garden City, so was my mother! My father was raised in Redford (both of my parents were born in Detroit, as was I).

While I do understand the bad rap that Detroit gets, it is not any worse than any number of large cities across the country.

Those of us on the board who know Detroit, can attest to the fact that there are many, many good things about the city.
 
People need to use their common sense these days before firing a gun. If someone is trying your doors, you DON'T open the door and shoot someone in the face who is clearly at a disadvantage, bleeding and being disoriented. I don't care if she was high or drunk - she didn't deserve to die. He should have never opened his door...911 is there for a reason.
 
damn i just caught the very end when they set bond - did they state any of the facts of the case?
 
Only4Justice said:
Karmady, with all due respect, I work in Detroit and have roots going back several generations. Whichever post said they were raised in Garden City, so was my mother! My father was raised in Redford (both of my parents were born in Detroit, as was I).

While I do understand the bad rap that Detroit gets, it is not any worse than any number of large cities across the country.

Those of us on the board who know Detroit, can attest to the fact that there are many, many good things about the city.
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:tyou: DH worked in Detroit until just a few years ago, and we continue to enjoy the cultural, dining, entertainment, and sports that the city has to offer. We've had season tickets to the symphony, theatre, and/or opera for many years and enjoy occasional Tigers and Red Wings games.
 
Dearborn Heights man charged with porch murder

54-year-old Theodore Paul Wafer charged with manslaughter

Author: Lisa Ray, Managing Editor, ClickOnDetroit.com, lray@wdiv.com

Published On: Nov 15 2013 01:57:41 PM EST Updated On: Nov 15 2013 02:22:58 PM EST

DEARBORN HEIGHTS, Mich. -
Renisha McBride Theodore Wafer was arraigned Friday afternoon in connection with the shooting death of 19-year-old Renisha McBride.

Wafer, 54, is charged with second degree murder, manslaughter and possession of a firearm in the commission of a felony in the Nov. 2 shooting McBride. He must pay 10 percent of a $250,000 bond to be freed from jail...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...der/-/1719418/22991632/-/kmh2flz/-/index.html
 
November 15, 2013 at 2:40 pm

Homeowner arraigned on second-degree murder in shooting of Detroit woman

Oralandar Brand-Williams and Darren A. Nichols /The Detroit News

Detroit — A Dearborn Heights man was arraigned Friday with second-degree murder, manslaughter and possession of a firearm in a felony in the shooting death of 19-year-old Detroiter Renisha McBride.

Wearing a gray T-shirt and jeans, Theodore Paul Wafer, 54, was in 19th District Court in Dearborn Heights. A bond was set at $250,000 cash surety, 10 percent. If convicted, Wafer faces up to life in prison. He is due back in court Dec. 18 for a preliminary hearing...

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131115/METRO01/311150064#ixzz2kkHCQhgQ
 
Karmady said:
I agree with you. I think it's true that in most places someone trying your doors at 3 in the morning would lead you to the same conclusion. I guess I was just thinking that if you live where he did, it's probably something you think or worry about on a regular basis. Where I live right now, I don't worry about it or even think about it much. But, you're right, if someone was outside my front door like that my first thought would still be that I was in danger.

And I'm with ya on the island or the villa. Unfortunately, not to be in this lifetime :tantrum:
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The crime rate in Dearborn Heights is below the national average. There was one murder in 2011 so I see no reason why he would be justified in being paranoid that a home invasion was about to happen.
 
Man Arraigned On Second Degree Murder Charge In Renisha McBride Death

November 15, 2013 2:13 PM

By Christy Strawser, digital director

DETROIT (CBS Detroit) Theodore Paul Wafer, 54, is charged with second-degree murder, manslaughter and a felony firearm charge in the shooting death of Renisha McBride, 19, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy announced during a press conference Friday.

Wearing a casual gray T-shirt and jeans, Wafer had a court hearing at 2 p.m. — where he waived a hearing on the charges. He said only one word — “yes” in response to the judge’s question about whether it was his decision to waive...

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/11...ces-details-of-renisha-mcbride-investigation/
 
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