Missing Cell Phones #2

[21merc7]

After the news of at least 8 people living in one house using 1 cell phone, it is a lot easier to believe that cell phones could be grabbed off the kitchen counter. Given that the activities from the house of 8 or more is sounding somewhat nefarious, I would think that makes other peoples cell phones even more enticing. So, for now, it is a possibility that the phones were quickly pocketed in my mind.

 

[katshep]

Maybe there was an 8:30 call, and a 2:30 text?

Question: if you have a service, but it's not working because you haven't paid the bill, can you buy a phone card and use it in your phone?

If you have a phone on a contract, even if deactivated, you cannot use a prepaid card on it.

 

[Donjeta]

Yes. Being a huge fan of Occam's razor, I agree, and think a kidnapper calling MW is actually MUCH simpler than the Irwins doing it.

Kidnapper calling MW:

Kidnapper walks in unlocked door, picks up baby and cell phones, calls MW for some kind of help and somehow someone else answers the phone. After a brief conversation, kidnapper hangs up.

Irwins calling MW:

They've killed their baby and are in the middle of hiding the evidence. One part of hiding the evidence is to get rid of the 3 cell phones on the table, which are active but they intend to lie and say they aren't active, because they want to make it appear that a kidnapper took the phones to keep them from being in communication with 911 when they discover the baby is missing. But to add a real confusing twist, they call a random number to totally confuse everyone as to whether the phones worked or not - in fact, they want to appear to be lying that the phones don't work, and cast doubt about if they were up making calls instead of sleeping innocently. So anyway back to the story. They randomly call someone who by the strangest coincidence DOES have ties to the area through her ex boyfriend. So someone picks up, and they decide to speak to the person, risking the person being able to recall the conversation and the voice. But that's all part of their diabolical plot, see, and it worked in their favor because no one can figure out who answered that random phone.


See how much simpler the first scene is?

It doesn't imo have to be so complicated. If DB called MW's phone I don't believe it was a random call to further a diabolical plot to confuse everyone. Maybe she simply wanted something that MW or someone in that household had for sale, or knows someone in the house. If it's true she had the phone number written on her hand she called because she wanted to talk to someone in that number imo. Lisa may not even have been missing, dead or injured yet and there may have been no need to dream up a kidnapper defense yet. Maybe one thing led to another and the need to cover up the phone calls came up later and the phones were tossed as a spur of the moment thing.

 

[TobyWong*]

I will not be surprized to hear about multiple calls & txts to and from the missing phones. IMO

What I would'nt give to see those print outs you know LE has had.

But then I read

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15919668/womans-cell-phone-connected-to-search-for-missing-baby

Last paragraph, MW says FBI saw her on-line ad & met her thru that.

I have to wonder why FBI did'nt get pings from that phone carrier and go to her before then.?? They had her number. Maybe it was'nt a conventional phone carrier and they could'nt pinpoint? Just wondering out loud.

 

[21merc7]

Maybe MW's cell phone was originally for a different address? I don't know, I am just guessing.

I agree it makes no sense that FBI met her through an online ad. Why not just call the number?

 

[~n/t~]

I wonder what she was selling. Cell phones, perhaps? :innocent:

 

[Donjeta]

Maybe a prepaid bat phone? Terri Horman's friends allegedly bought phones using the name Betty Boop, IIRC. If LE suspects that the phone call/number was connected to Lisa's disappearance or some other criminal activity I can see how they might not want to call and tip the person off that they're looking for him/her so that s/he has time to take off before LE arrives.

 

[matou]

It doesn't imo have to be so complicated. If DB called MW's phone I don't believe it was a random call to further a diabolical plot to confuse everyone. Maybe she simply wanted something that MW or someone in that household had for sale, or knows someone in the house. If it's true she had the phone number written on her hand she called because she wanted to talk to someone in that number imo. Lisa may not even have been missing, dead or injured yet and there may have been no need to dream up a kidnapper defense yet. Maybe one thing led to another and the need to cover up the phone calls came up later and the phones were tossed as a spur of the moment thing.

Ever since Craigslist came up yesterday as a way police tracked MW (she was listing a GPS for sale, I think), I've been thinking about it. What if the kids wanted a kitten really bad? DB may have looked up free kittens. (I know this should be in the kitten thread and I will post this there as well). This may have led her to write down a number for free kittens. OR DB found free kittens and looked up lost kittens on Craigslist and found a number to contact. What if someone got a call and couldn't connect with the person who called? I can see someone young trying to break in through the screen window if they could see the kitten in the house. The person also decides to take Lisa in retaliation (way over the top, I realize).

I've been skimming through Craigslist Kansas City missouri for some clues re the stolen cell phones. When electronic items are stolen, I think cops go on these sites to check to see if similar items are listed for sale. Maybe they found something. Also, there was a larceny charge related to Jeremy Irwin in early August. We're not sure if the charges are him being charged or if he placed the call. What if JI had a GPS stolen from a vehicle? JMOO

 

[Elley Mae]

I would like to know if the Ad that MW placed for "electronic item" was advertised in a paper in the irwin home.

 

[~n/t~]

I would like to know if the Ad that MW placed for "electronic item" was advertised in a paper in the irwin home.

She said it was an online ad

 

[jadejazzkayla]

If you have a phone on a contract, even if deactivated, you cannot use a prepaid card on it.

this is not true. I put prepaid time on my phone and it was once a postpaid phone under contract.

edit: my phone was off contract in good standing (bill paid and not reported lost or stolen)

 

[~n/t~]

Ever since Craigslist came up yesterday as a way police tracked MW (she was listing a GPS for sale, I think), I've been thinking about it. What if the kids wanted a kitten really bad? DB may have looked up free kittens. (I know this should be in the kitten thread and I will post this there as well). This may have led her to write down a number for free kittens. OR DB found free kittens and looked up lost kittens on Craigslist and found a number to contact. What if someone got a call and couldn't connect with the person who called? I can see someone young trying to break in through the screen window if they could see the kitten in the house. The person also decides to take Lisa in retaliation (way over the top, I realize).

I've been skimming through Craigslist Kansas City missouri for some clues re the stolen cell phones. When electronic items are stolen, I think cops go on these sites to check to see if similar items are listed for sale. Maybe they found something. Also, there was a larceny charge related to Jeremy Irwin in early August. We're not sure if the charges are him being charged or if he placed the call. What if JI had a GPS stolen from a vehicle? JMOO

IIRC, his car was broken into. I don't believe DB had MW's phone number written down on her hand. Cops may have used that as an interrogation tactic to have MW spill the beans about her possible connection to the Irwins. She claims she doesn't know them, never met them and never saw Lisa ever. After being questioned 4 times, I would think LE would have something to connect her but so far, nothing as far we know except for Jersey who may have possibly helped the Irwins with yard work or whatever or not.

 

[matou]

IIRC, his car was broken into. I don't believe DB had MW's phone number written down on her hand. Cops may have used that as an interrogation tactic to have MW spill the beans about her possible connection to the Irwins. She claims she doesn't know them, never met them and never saw Lisa ever. After being questioned 4 times, I would think LE would have something to connect her but so far, nothing as far we know except for Jersey who may have possibly helped the Irwins with yard work or whatever or not.

I think the connection is her phone number that she apparently shared with 7 others. DB could have communicated with any one of them or any of them could have listened to a message from her.

 

[NancyA]

MW says the phone call was made to the flop house communal phone at 8.30.

MW says LE told her DB had the flop house communal phone # written on the palm of her hand.

MW says the FBI contacted her through a Craigslist ad for a GPS she had for sale.

MW says she has been interviewed 4 times by LE but there is no mention of any of the other 7 people who also, according to her, had access to the phone being questioned.

MW says Jersey who lives/lived a few doors away from the Irwins and has also been questioned about this case, is her ex-boyfriend.


It seems MW has an awful lot to say (and I have a feeling there's gonna be more) and, as yet, we have no corroboration from LE the FBI or anyone else that anything she says is true but since everything she says seems to tie her in tighter and tighter into this case and the events of that night...I've got a bad feeling about MW and it has nothing to do with her lifestyle, hairstyle or tastes in music.

I just don't buy so many coincidences that would link a non-involved person to a case so IF there were to be poll right now asking "Do you believe MW is somehow involved in Lisa's disappearance either in collaboration with DB/JI OR whoever may have broken into their house?" my vote would be in the 'HELL yes' column.

Now she hasn't been named a POI or suspect so I guess I'll have to withhold judgment for now.

 

[~n/t~]

MW says the phone call was made to the flop house communal phone at 8.30.

MW says LE told her DB had the flop house communal phone # written on the palm of her hand.

MW says the FBI contacted her through a Craigslist ad for a GPS she had for sale.

MW says she has been interviewed 4 times by LE but there is no mention of any of the other 7 people who also, according to her, had access to the phone being questioned.

MW says Jersey who lives/lived a few doors away from the Irwins and has also been questioned about this case, is her ex-boyfriend.


It seems MW has an awful lot to say (and I have a feeling there's gonna be more) and, as yet, we have no corroboration from LE the FBI or anyone else that anything she says is true but since everything she says seems to tie her in tighter and tighter into this case and the events of that night...I've got a bad feeling about MW and it has nothing to do with her lifestyle, hairstyle or tastes in music.

I just don't buy so many coincidences that would link a non-involved person to a case so IF there were to be poll right now asking "Do you believe MW is somehow involved in Lisa's disappearance either in collaboration with DB/JI OR whoever may have broken into their house?" my vote would be in the 'HELL yes' column.

Now she hasn't been named a POI or suspect so I guess I'll have to withhold judgment for now.

bbm
Neither have the parents but that hasn't stopped the poll and re-re poll. Just sayin. :angel:


I think she and Jersey are involved.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

So wait...who said that LE got MW's number from an online ad? Was this something that MW said?

(I'm playing catch-up.)

 

[~n/t~]

So wait...who said that LE got MW's number from an online ad? Was this something that MW said?

(I'm playing catch-up.)

Yes. The link was posted above by Toby.

 

[katshep]

It doesn't imo have to be so complicated. If DB called MW's phone I don't believe it was a random call to further a diabolical plot to confuse everyone. Maybe she simply wanted something that MW or someone in that household had for sale, or knows someone in the house. If it's true she had the phone number written on her hand she called because she wanted to talk to someone in that number imo. Lisa may not even have been missing, dead or injured yet and there may have been no need to dream up a kidnapper defense yet. Maybe one thing led to another and the need to cover up the phone calls came up later and the phones were tossed as a spur of the moment thing.

If the police knew DB had MW's phone number or that DB's inactive phone called MW's number, they would not have had to do an internet filter and catch her on Craig'sList. LE would have known MW's number immediately as they had DB's number and MW's number would have been in DB's phone record.

 

[NancyA]

So wait...who said that LE got MW's number from an online ad? Was this something that MW said?

(I'm playing catch-up.)

LOL. Good luck with that catch-up thing, I swear anymore if I turn my back for 5 minutes I'm 5 hours behind.

Oh and thanks for answering that question ~n/t~ - I was frantically reading back to find where I read it.

 

[momtective]

bbm
Neither have the parents but that hasn't stopped the poll and re-re poll. Just sayin. :angel:


I think she and Jersey are involved.

I agree a gazillion percent! I hope LE leans on both of them as hard as they have leaned on Debora. I also think Debora may have seen the ad on a bulletin board, maybe at the store where she bought the wine, maybe she wrote it on her hand because she didn't have a piece of paper.