Kittycat01
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So scary when we hear about all these rapes, abductions, murders....terrible. I pray someday there will be resolution.
Edited quote for length......... Moreover, we have a crime scene that doesn't scream "random" or "violent" or the work of random attackers but in fact suggests that the assault was 1) planned and/or executed by an experienced, orderly type of criminal, not a random one; 2) conducted by an inexperienced killer or group of killers who got very lucky and left little evidence; or 3) the crime scene was cleaned up and to some extent staged afterward, so the shorts, the jewelry, the moving of the cars are all open to question. One thing for sure, the purses were left grouped in a way that would be unlikely, especially for smokers, and the dog was in the bathroom, where Sherrill would not have shut him in. That suggests that the abductor/abductors did not want interference from the dogand did not think or care locking up the dog would point to an intruder but who made a decision not to kill it............
............If Sherrill were the target, 3 cars would have nixed that. She had a teenage daughter and that meant there would be lots of other opportunities to get her alone. Had a killer already been in the house, it's unlikely that the girls would have started bedtime rituals if there were a strange car or van in the driveway. Its a very small house with one bathroom. The dog couldnt have been in the bathroom when the girls got there because they washed their faces and prepared for bed. Its possible that an intruder held Sherrill in the bedroom, the dog was loose, and the girls figured they got lucky not waking Mom up. But I see this as extremely unlikely. There would have been forensic evidence on Sherrills bed, even if it was just fibers and hair in those pre-DNA days because where else could Sherrill and an intruder been hidden? Most people with small dogs let them sleep on the bed. And we know the dog was loose........
I'm going to have to disagree completely here.
None of the supposed "proof" that the friends had something to do with it makes sense- on the one hand you're saying they knew exactly what happened and were able to clean up and stage a crime scene in a very short period of time on very little sleep, but on the other hand they were completely nonchalant about what happened, could care less, and went to the water park to have fun immediately after?
And everyone was able to keep a secret after?
I find that MUCH less plausible than the possibility they were targeted by a random predator.
Here's the thing- unfortunately a woman in this society has a very good chance of being a victim of sexual assault. Often the perpetrator is known to them, but often *he is not*. Women have a much smaller chance of being murdered by someone, particularly someone who isn't a romantic partner or relative. But I've watched a lot of cases unfold over the years, and I can't recall any where an entire family is murdered and "disappeared" by a group of their child's friends. I have seen quite a few where a killer, serial or not, has been able to control and overpower a family or multiple victims, especially in a home invasion scenario.
Are you familiar with high school kids, or do you remember being that age yourself? Plans are constantly in flux, there are "in groups" and "out groups" and drama and slights and embarrassments and insecurity and emotional outbursts *all the time*. I find NOTHING suspicious about a teenager wanting at some point to go home to the safety and comfort of home (as sad and tragic as that ended up being) if they aren't feeling physically or emotionally well wherever they are. Nothing horrible, or major, or threatening, or *anything* needs to happen for a teenage to decide they want to return to the comfort of their own bed, if only for a few hours. I would (and did, in my teens) offer all kinds of white lies and excuses for why I'd want to leave and go home. Things like not feeling well, stomach ache, etc. I wouldn't say I felt uncomfortable/uncool/rejected/weird/self-conscious etc. etc. or whatever the case might actually be.
As far as the chance of a random serial killer following them home being nil, this site wouldn't be filled with threads WHERE JUST THAT THING HAS HAPPENED.
Yes it's rare. Yes most people are going to have a much better chance of being struck by lightening. But it does happen!
If I were their friend Janelle, I'd be pretty nervous about giving an interview too. I'd probably have some form of PTSD, I'd be completely freaked out by the whole ordeal, and I'd be afraid because whoever took the three would know who I was now and he's still at large.
edited to add: for example here's one recent article about a serial killer/rapist who operated at least between 1990-1998, had multiple victims in the same household, and was able to gain entry without force. http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...memphis-rape-kit-tied-to-serial-killer-rapist
I think if there was a sexual predator he was the luckiest son of a ***** in the world.
IMO If it was just the girls who disappeared, I could totally buy that it was their 'friends' and SPD would have too. And I used to think the friends had to know something but I don't anymore. And the only persons with a motive of any sort are the 3 grave robbers with a court case pending but as Pat Brown relayed to me, 'Suzie had some squirrely friends'.
IMO the unsubs knew what they were doing, not their 'first rodeo'.
One has already admitted to doing it, according to Michael C. Hawley (he's written a book about this and other cases) he has corresponded and interviewed 2 possible suspects concerning the Sprfld Three. Neither 2 men are considered 'persons of interest by the SPD.
Motive? Deviant sex. That's 'it'. Nothing fancy or mysterious but definitely horrible. And yes, tons of places in Missouri to dispose a body to include sink holes.
Not sure this link will open, its from an article by Michael Hawley concerning another case he is following. It's a replica of the van Larry drove to Civil War Reenactments.
https://www.facebook.com/1163594050...327927528921/1358327874195593/?type=3&theater
Facebook post by Mr. Hawley.
"Perhaps the most compelling clue that points to Larry Hall as a person of interest in the Hailey/Call case is this. Early that Sunday morning, Keith Calls brother saw a dark van speeding away from the site where Keiths car was later found. Here is a photo of a van nearly identical to the one Larry Hall told the FBI was his most secret place a dark, teal green Plymouth/Dodge panel van. (He goes onto say)
"Calls car was found at the York River Overlook. Their clothes were inside the car. So were their personal effects and money. Robbery was not the motive."
If you've followed the Spfld Three case, the above scenario should sound eerily familiar....
This concerns The Spfld Three case.
http://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/2002-flashback-three-missing-women-case-turns-10
"The only solid leads, one composite drawing of a bearded man, the only official suspect. And the sighting from multiple sources of a green van."
That's my attempt at adding references![]()
The vast majority of sexual assault victims know their attacker. Often very well. If women often know their attackers, I would say they don't also often not know them. Not statistically.
Edited quote for length.
Can you clarify the dog issue? I have read on forums over the years that Cinnamon was locked in the bathroom, but where did that come from? In the Disappeared video, JK says "Cinamon was very excited, she was running around and she wanted me to hold her, like something was wrong" and then the detective immediately after JK' statement says "the family dog was left unattended".
The vast majority of sexual assault victims know their attacker. Often very well. If women often know their attackers, I would say they don't also often not know them. Not statistically.
Different source different numbers I guess. I definitely trust rainn tho.They often also *don't* know their attackers. Just under 1 in 3 are completely unknown. (28%). Not the majority, but still more than a quarter is "often" in my book.
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence
You are right, statistically speaking, that sexual assault victims usually know their attacker (e.g., domestic violence, date rape, etc.) But rape and abduction? That is often, but not always, a stranger crime, or a crime committed by distant acquaintances (e.g., Jessica Heeringa was abducted from the gas station where she worked by a sometime customer) or someone who lives or travels through an area but does not actually know the victim.
I also think the possibility they were followed from the party by people (or a person) they weren't friends with and/or hadn't met before. I think that is one scenario (among others) that LE has considered, and I believe that's the one they were trying out when they floated the message about people being unwilling or unplanned accomplices - it was an attempt to appeal to anyone who had knowledge or involvement in such a scenario.
I still lean toward this being linked to the other cases though because there really isn't much of a gap:
the first episode linked by DNA occurred in 1990. The last was 1998. Springfield was 1992 so the gap was only two years since the first established murder.
It's true that none of the other victims were kidnapped, but the killer's MO changed each time after he gained entrance to their houses:
1. 1990, Genevieve Zitricki, a 28-year-old , was blitz attacked while she slept in her apartment in Greenville, SC. The offender forced entry via the patio sliding glass door. Zitricki was beaten and strangled to death and found in her bathtub. The offender left a threatening message on her mirror.
2. 1997 The suspect knocked at the front door of the Memphis home and used a revolver to threaten three woman and a minor, Hensley says. He bound the victims before sexually assaulting the young girl.
3. 1998 Portageville Sherri Scherer, 37, and her daughter Megan, 12, were found shot to death.
Two hours later and 40 miles away in Dyersburg, TN, a white male approached a woman in her mobile home asking for directions. A struggle ensued and the stranger fired a shot through the door, striking the woman in the shoulder. The victim survived her injuries. The unknown male left the premises in a full-size van, possibly maroon in color. The bullets from this encounter matched the bullets used to kill the Scherers.----- also this woman who lived had children in the house at the time and authorities suspect he picked her house, like the Scherers, because there were children's items outside.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/vicap/homicides-and-sexual-assaults/unknown-suspect-12
I would like to know the answer to this as well! I can't seem to find verification that the dog was left shut in a bathroom either and it's been bothering me.
I thought that myself but upon further investigation the best information the dog was left alone in the house and not in the bathroom.
I thought that myself but upon further investigation the best information the dog was left alone in the house and not in the bathroom.
When I think about the dog , something seems strange , the dog was kept alive,
from all the threads I understood that the dog barked probably during the crime , A bark attracts attention and this is the last thing the perps wanted, so they didn't shoot the dog in order to stop the barking becouse the shot will attract more attention, it was a small dog so they could hurt him in another way ( I am glad they didn't!) but they let the dog keeping barking.
It is strange that They kidnapped 3 women but the dog kept alive and was allowed to continue barking at such hour.
Other than the "Usual Suspects" that have been talked about, I've always wondered if the two guys who were convicted of abducting and murdering Trudy Darby at Macks Creek just north of springfield, could be potential suspects.
Trudy Darby was abducted from the convienance store she was working at, So was Cheryl Kenny from a convienance store in Neveda or somewhere near there (sorry can't remember exactly right now), anyway during Jesse Rush's appeals trial, which was denied, he had apparently told a jail house "Snitch" that if police knew "Everything" they had did, they'd fry them for sure.
Always wondered If they may have been in the Springfield area that night, and somehow crossed paths with the girls. Granted it didn't match the M.O. of the Darby abduction, but these guys were definitely capable of abduction and murder.
Just a though. You can google the transcript of Jesse Rush and read it. They were some sadistic bastards for what they did to Trudy Darby.
I've also wondered if they were involved in the abduction of Angela Hammons from Clinton, Mo. It was not far from where Cheryl Kenney was abducted, and Macks Creek is a straight shot from that area on the old highway/country road.
Just some thoughts. Anyone have an opinion on this angle?