Mistakes made that led to Casey being aquitted...

[LetThemEatCake]

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The above is my opinion WHY Casey was acquitted. I don't necessarily believe it.

But my assessment of those involved in this farciful case are pretty square on.

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farciful?? the only farse put on this case was the clown Jose Baez. More like a buffoon, at least a clown is a legitimate career.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

The premise of Baez's entire case was a lie, and he acted it out in front of the courtroom like a pimply-faced, squeaky-voiced freshman starring in his first high school play. It was an absolutely mortifying display that would never have got off the ground in any other case, in any other courtroom, in front of any other jury. The only thing more embarrassing was the fact that the Pinellas County jury chose to believe the drama queen's version of events.

Baez wasn't underestimated. The ability and morality of the jury was grossly overestimated.

but how was this case cursed with this jury?? who are these people?? the ones on the OJ jury were the lowest of the low, uneducated, racist, subpar intelligence, but this was even worse?? I don't understand it.

 

[Razz]

farciful?? the only farse put on this case was the clown Jose Baez. More like a buffoon, at least a clown is a legitimate career.

Well then, Jose Baez has made money and a career being a
buffoon. And because he was such a buffoon, he managed to get his client off scott free which should have been a slam dunk for the prosecution.

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[Deb mom to 3 IGs]

The premise of Baez's entire case was a lie, and he acted it out in front of the courtroom like a pimply-faced, squeaky-voiced freshman starring in his first high school play. It was an absolutely mortifying display that would never have got off the ground in any other case, in any other courtroom, in front of any other jury. The only thing more embarrassing was the fact that the Pinellas County jury chose to believe the drama queen's version of events.

Baez wasn't underestimated. The ability and morality of the jury was grossly overestimated.

I agree, especially about the jury. Their verdict shocked me to my core and has made me lose faith in the justice system and in common sense. No matter who killed that little angel or how she was killed, she didn't do it to herself or she for sure did not dispose of her own body.

To me the old Latin doctrine of res ipsa loquitur applies. The thing speaks for itself. Whether Cindy and CA covered up an accidental death and then hid that fact does not even matter anymore to me. They are guilty as far as I am concerned.....and....if CA is really pregnant...I hope and pray childrens protective services camp out on her doorstep.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Well then, Jose Baez has made money and a career being a
buffoon. And because he was such a buffoon, he managed to get his client off scott free which should have been a slam dunk for the prosecution.

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what money is that? she paid with sex and his book flopped.

 

[Imp]

but how was this case cursed with this jury?? who are these people?? the ones on the OJ jury were the lowest of the low, uneducated, racist, subpar intelligence, but this was even worse?? I don't understand it.

Last night Ashton gave his own explanation - once they finally found a group of people in the state of FL who had heard the news like everyone else but hadn't decided Casey was guilty, there was nothing the state could do to convince them.

My explanation at the time of the verdict, which I'm sure many won't agree with, was that Perry had treated them like a bunch of special snowflakes he was holding hostage - he SPOILED them and encouraged them to believe they were going above and beyond the call of duty. He apologized to them every chance he got. He made arrangements to have them attend local events. He asked after their welfare and if they were enjoying their meals every dang day. He had the dessert lady visit them every day at lunch. I swear he convinced them they were enduring the worst kind of torture, and by the end of the trial, they couldn't care less about evidence or Casey's guilt or Caylee's murder. They wanted to board the bus and head back to Pinellas County, stat. They deliberated long enough to eat one more meal on Belvin, then announced Casey was not guilty of anything, boarded their stupid bus, and headed home.

Seems not a one of them felt any compulsion to do their due diligence by even reviewing each piece of evidence again. Just disgraceful.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I haven't been able to read all the posts so my opinion may be in the minority.

I absolutely do not blame the Prosecutors in this case. I do wholeheartedly blame the clueless jurors who were determined to overburden the state and did. That is why this case wasn't won, and Caylee was denied justice. IMO

The state was not required by law to show a video of how it happened, when it happened, what happened when Caylee was being murdered or where it happened or even why it happened. Yet that is the nonsensical burden these 12 people put on the state to prove. They would have only convicted if someone shoved a video in front of them showing everything from beginning to end.

The state only has three legal requirements.

1. The victim was Caylee Anthony (check)
2. The victim's death was due to a homicide (check)
3. The murderer of Caylee was CA beyond a 'reasonable doubt.' (check)

No where in the law does it say the state must show the jury why, how, when, where, or even what happened. They don't even have the legal burden to prove how Caylee was murdered.

Jurors are told to pull from their own personal life experiences and knowledge. Imo, not ONE of them has ever known of one child who 'accidentally' died and was discarded in a swamp like trash where the parent never reported them missing. So where did they come up with this ridiculous belief? Because they bought the nonsensical totally unsupported BS claims put out by the town barker because it was as unrealistic as a CSI show or soap opera they could watch in an hour. Now if they had used their brain to link all of the overwhelming circumstantial evidence together they would have come to the determination that only parents who murder their children do exactly what CA did.

Murdering parents are THE ONES who discard the child's body they have murdered and go on pretending like nothing has happened and lie and cover up. Just like CA did. Yet, these vile 12 didn't have the ability to link 2 and 2 together much less be able to link CE facts together. They evidently believed it is so normal for a little child's body to be found in a swamp with duct tape wrapped around their hair/skull. They couldn't figure out simple evidence that was so obvious even to the most unobservant.

I am glad these 12 have gone silent, and I hope I never see any of them ever again. This case wasn't that hard. The evidence was there, and they refused to see it. God forbid if any of these 12 are on a missing body case in the future since they overburdened the state even when they did have the murdered remains of little Caylee. I found all of them disgusting, and still do.

IMO

 

[jkly]

Well, I'm not sure that's necessarily true. Didn't someone testify that the tape may have been put over her mouth to prevent the decomposing fluids from spilling out?

And I will admit, I don't know much about the properties of duct tape and what it does and doesn't do.
If I recall correctly, this bag with Caylee in it had been underwater
in that "swamp" near the house for a period of time? Animals had ravaged the bag and it's contents.

Right, Caylee died in a horrible accident, so Casey bagged her up and tossed her in the woods because she is completely innocent. The duct tape on her skull must have coincidentally migrated there.

This is my problem when it comes to all arguments for her innocence. If you look at the big picture, there are way too many coincidences that make Casey appear quite guilty.

This is part of why I think Jose did a much better job of getting Casey off than anyone is/willing to admit.
He was willing to say and do anything.

I agree. He was indeed willing to say or do anything.
I still see no reason why he should get any credit for Casey's acquittal. He did a number of things that could have been damaging to his client if the jury had been smarter.

1) He alleged sexual abuse and failed to provide a shred of truth of it. He barely offered any proof of a drowning.
2) He attacked George over his suicide note.
3) He hired a quack doctor who went at Caylee's skull with a rusty saw. Baez then had to replace the saw by spending an entire five dollars at Walmart. The doctor then ended up breaking her skull.
4) He made a "who cut the cheese" pun, but the jury was mysteriously focused on how distasteful they found Ashton's unintentional pun when he asked Doctor Vass if he'd wrapped the test pigs in a blanket.

His 1st comment in closing remarks was how GA put his p**is in Casey's
mouth. Wow! What a pronouncement to make. It had nothing to do w/ CA's guilt or innocence but people sure did sit up on that one. And then when GA was antagonistic to both sides of the attorney tables, he looked guilty as heck.

I don't see recall hearing him being antagonistic to the prosecution. He was antagoistic to the defense with good reason.

Either way, I don't see how that would make him look guilty. He was between a rock and a hard place. The jury bent over backwards to understand and excuse Casey's actions, but they refused to show George a shred of compassion.

And when Baez was making other outrageous statements, instead of objecting, JA was laughing at the absurdity of Baez's comments.
Baez made that quite clear to the judge, the jury and the people watching at home that the prosecuting attorney was laughing and scoffing at his rebuttal. (Which may have been understandable but very inappropriate and unprofessional).

Even Ashton admitted he shouldn't have done that.

If that influenced the jury's ruling, then they were ruling on emotion. Which makes them hypocrites and just not very bright.

The prosecutors, specifically JA, severely underestimated Jose Baez.

No one underestimated that obese, morally bankrupt fool. People overestimated the jury's IQ, reasoning skills and ability to use commen sense. He fooled 12 people who were even lazier and dumber than him and his client, period. IMO.

He made a complete mockery of our justice system by making cruel, unsubstantiated allegations and subporning perjury. I just can't give him props for that.

Now I need to go take some deep breaths. Thinking about him fills me with rage.

 

[jkly]

Well then, Jose Baez has made money and a career being a buffoon. And because he was such a buffoon, he managed to get his client off scott free which should have been a slam dunk for the prosecution.

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BBM: Exactly.

I personally think he cheated by getting to one or two of the jurors.

He tried to tamper with evidence (Laura Buchanan, Equusearch), so I don't see why he wouldn't attempt to tamper with the jury.

IMO, doing so wouldn't be so hard these days with the benefits and anonymity offered by the internet.

 

[DaisyChains]

I feel the high profile nature of the case is what made these jurors more likely to not convict Casey (and same for OJ case). No one wants to be that person who made the decision to put someone away for life or death and potentially be known for that later on. I think most of them are wimps and took the easy route of "Well if we don't SEE evidence 100% connecting Casey to the murder we won't charge her as guilty" as if they need the entire murder on videotape to convict. It's like c'mon grow a pair and bring that baby justice.

but how was this case cursed with this jury?? who are these people?? the ones on the OJ jury were the lowest of the low, uneducated, racist, subpar intelligence, but this was even worse?? I don't understand it.

 

[LaneGirl]

One thing to keep in mind...

We were privy to a bit more information that the jury was. We got to see things argued out of the presence of the jury.

We where able to talk about our ideas/thoughts/concerns amongst each other.

This jury had to listen to the whole trial without talking about it even among themselves. They had to wait until they were able to deliberate, they had to rely on notes etc.

I'm not saying anything about the jury I still think they got it wrong.

I'm making more of a point that we got more information than they did and if we saw something odd we where able to discuss it right then with many people on the form to help us "form an opinion".

 

[heidisams]

I haven't been able to read all the posts so my opinion may be in the minority.

I absolutely do not blame the Prosecutors in this case. I do wholeheartedly blame the clueless jurors who were determined to overburden the state and did. That is why this case wasn't won, and Caylee was denied justice. IMO

The state was not required by law to show a video of how it happened, when it happened, what happened when Caylee was being murdered or where it happened or even why it happened. Yet that is the nonsensical burden these 12 people put on the state to prove. They would have only convicted if someone shoved a video in front of them showing everything from beginning to end.

The state only has three legal requirements.

1. The victim was Caylee Anthony (check)
2. The victim's death was due to a homicide (check)
3. The murderer of Caylee was CA beyond a 'reasonable doubt.' (check)

No where in the law does it say the state must show the jury why, how, when, where, or even what happened. They don't even have the legal burden to prove how Caylee was murdered.

Jurors are told to pull from their own personal life experiences and knowledge. Imo, not ONE of them has ever known of one child who 'accidentally' died and was discarded in a swamp like trash where the parent never reported them missing. So where did they come up with this ridiculous belief? Because they bought the nonsensical totally unsupported BS claims put out by the town barker because it was as unrealistic as a CSI show or soap opera they could watch in an hour. Now if they had used their brain to link all of the overwhelming circumstantial evidence together they would have come to the determination that only parents who murder their children do exactly what CA did.

Murdering parents are THE ONES who discard the child's body they have murdered and go on pretending like nothing has happened and lie and cover up. Just like CA did. Yet, these vile 12 didn't have the ability to link 2 and 2 together much less be able to link CE facts together. They evidently believed it is so normal for a little child's body to be found in a swamp with duct tape wrapped around their hair/skull. They couldn't figure out simple evidence that was so obvious even to the most unobservant.

I am glad these 12 have gone silent, and I hope I never see any of them ever again. This case wasn't that hard. The evidence was there, and they refused to see it. God forbid if any of these 12 are on a missing body case in the future since they overburdened the state even when they did have the murdered remains of little Caylee. I found all of them disgusting, and still do.

IMO

BBM

This. The jury did not follow simple instructions... And I agree with you about not blaming the prosecution. In part. Let me explain what I mean... At the time I thought they had done enough. I was personally frustrated that (1) the cell pings/computer activity didn't come out at trial and (2) that they made little attempt to counter all her "friends" who said she was such a great mom, but I was still totally team prosecution and never dreamed she would be acquitted... After the verdict, and after hearing from the jurors, I then started Monday morning quarterbacking and really wished they would of put everything out there but the kitchen sink... But, I'm pretty sure they have lost many nights sleep over all this too, and that if they could go back they would do it all different as well... It's so easy to look at things after the fact...

But I don't fault them, not like I fault the jury. And fca. And her parents. And her attys, etc, etc....

All jmo.

 

[heidisams]

One thing to keep in mind...

We were privy to a bit more information that the jury was. We got to see things argued out of the presence of the jury.

We where able to talk about our ideas/thoughts/concerns amongst each other.

This jury had to listen to the whole trial without talking about it even among themselves. They had to wait until they were able to deliberate, they had to rely on notes etc.

I'm not saying anything about the jury I still think they got it wrong.

I'm making more of a point that we got more information than they did and if we saw something odd we where able to discuss it right then with many people on the form to help us "form an opinion".

Well, they weren't suppose to discuss it, but they did. They talked about the heart sticker, we know that because they brought it up during the trial. And the alternate juror spoke for all of them immediately after the verdict. But he wasn't in on deliberations, so how did he know their opinions? He knew them before they had even spoke out or returned to Pinellas County...

And they went into deliberations without their notebooks. What little notes they took...They left them behind.

All jmo.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Last night Ashton gave his own explanation - once they finally found a group of people in the state of FL who had heard the news like everyone else but hadn't decided Casey was guilty, there was nothing the state could do to convince them.

My explanation at the time of the verdict, which I'm sure many won't agree with, was that Perry had treated them like a bunch of special snowflakes he was holding hostage - he SPOILED them and encouraged them to believe they were going above and beyond the call of duty. He apologized to them every chance he got. He made arrangements to have them attend local events. He asked after their welfare and if they were enjoying their meals every dang day. He had the dessert lady visit them every day at lunch. I swear he convinced them they were enduring the worst kind of torture, and by the end of the trial, they couldn't care less about evidence or Casey's guilt or Caylee's murder. They wanted to board the bus and head back to Pinellas County, stat. They deliberated long enough to eat one more meal on Belvin, then announced Casey was not guilty of anything, boarded their stupid bus, and headed home.

Seems not a one of them felt any compulsion to do their due diligence by even reviewing each piece of evidence again. Just disgraceful.

Just like the OJ trial it seems.

 

[jkly]

One thing to keep in mind...

We were privy to a bit more information that the jury was. We got to see things argued out of the presence of the jury.

We where able to talk about our ideas/thoughts/concerns amongst each other.

This jury had to listen to the whole trial without talking about it even among themselves. They had to wait until they were able to deliberate, they had to rely on notes etc.

I'm not saying anything about the jury I still think they got it wrong.

I'm making more of a point that we got more information than they did and if we saw something odd we where able to discuss it right then with many people on the form to help us "form an opinion".

I'm pretty sure the jury did not go the entire trial without discussing the case even among themselves. I think they discussed the case at length among themselves. That's why an alternate juror was using the word "we" and was talking about the reasoning that was employed during deliberations that he was not privy to.

 

[Karinna]

She said "there is no reason for putting duct tape over a child's face, and there is no reason for putting duct tape on a child's face after they die"

Thanks for clarifying. And Dr. G gave some compelling evidence IMO.

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

I think what sealed it for me was her boyfriend TL and friends.
They had no idea Caylee had been missing for 31 days.
Yet Casey was living there, without a car.
How was she getting Caylee from the sitter to her parents and back?
I guess she fed them lies just like she did anyone else, but IMO, they knew better.
TL got out of that relationship pronto. He knew what or who he was dealing with. She didn't have him "fooled".
IMO, had he been "fooled" into thinking she was this great mom/person, wouldn't he have stuck by and offered her support?
Maybe he was too young.
Maybe he did know.
Didn't he catch her crying at some point over Caylee?
Are we supposed to believe he never bounced the situation off any of his friends?
If things happened like I think they did, he was riding around in the car with Caylee in the trunk.
Nevermind the fact that the "baby daddies" Casey named were all deceased!

But... I guess the jurors weren't told this part of the story.
TL may have been scared he'd be her next victim.
Then again maybe he just wanted OUT!

Just like the jurors did.
Move that bus!!!

MOO

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[LetThemEatCake]

Thanks for clarifying. And Dr. G gave some compelling evidence IMO.

Dr. G was amazing on the stand, and the defense lawyer tried to make her say the wrong thing, he asked something about cause or death or whatever and she would answer with "the means of the homicide" couldn't be determined, she would always make a point of saying "homicide", to make it very very clear.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Dr. Spitz will go to hell, he has helped freed hundreds of killers throughout the years. Cindy is beyond sick, she is still saying she made the chloroform searches and that the trunk didn't smell of death. The prosecution made a huge mistake in not questioning the good mother accounts. Could she truly have been a good mother with not having a place to live? Never being around her daughter? I'm starting to see a lot of mistakes and a lot of mediocrity. Also, we know that Casey paid Baez with sex like the *advertiser censored* that she is, but when would these payouts take place? Did she have a right to conjugal visits? Do surreptitious *advertiser censored* be enough to pay for all that defense??

 

[Imp]

Dr. G was amazing on the stand, and the defense lawyer tried to make her say the wrong thing, he asked something about cause or death or whatever and she would answer with "the means of the homicide" couldn't be determined, she would always make a point of saying "homicide", to make it very very clear.

Yep. I think Dr. G was utterly incensed and disgusted with Casey and all her defenders.