MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *officers charged* #3

[MsBetsy]

Ha! Judge Cahill firing shots in the courthouse!! Whew! This trial is going to be very interesting.

Well, that was only in regard to one potential juror, correct? It's unfortunate that the settlement was reached (and publicized) just before the trial. But millions of people had already watched the video of Floyd being murdered so hopefully if the jury is able to set aside their opinions regarding the murder, they will be able to do the same regarding the settlement. Imo

 

[JerseyGirl]

Cathy Russon@cathyrusson
#DerekChauvinTrial - JUROR #14 has been selected. PJ 118 is white female, social worker.

link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

juror No. 118 will serve on the jury. She is a white woman in her 20s. She works as a social worker. In court, she reported that she had a “somewhat negative”/”neutral” view of Chauvin. She said she’d seen clips of George Floyd’s arrest on the news.

When asked about police, she said that officers’ jobs are important. She was against the push to de fund the Minneapolis Police Department.

Derek Chauvin Trial, Day 11 Live Updates: 14th Juror Seated, Court Still Seeking More Jurors For Backup – WCCO | CBS Minnesota

 

[JerseyGirl]

Derek Chauvin Trial: 14 Jurors Are Seated To Hear Case Of George Floyd Killing

"Among the 14 seated, there are three Black men, including two who are immigrants; one Black woman; two women who identify as multiracial; two white men; and six white women," Minnesota Public Radio reports.

The trial is expected to last at least four weeks. The two alternate jurors won't know of their status until the panel heads to the deliberation phase.

 

[Chelly]

@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - PJ 121 was a defense strike however judge says he found the juror evasive and flippant and he's willing to revisit that defense strike if the defense runs out before the jury is complete.
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#DerekChauvinTrial - PJ 123, female. Says she can no longer serve due to son's medical condition. Audio has been ordered off

 

[Chelly]

@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - PJ 123 dismissed by judge due to inability to serve.

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#DerekChauvinTrial - That's it for today. IMPORTANT judge just announced they will only have 2 alternates come Monday. He will still try to seat one more tomorrow but if nothing happens to the 14, the 15th would be dismissed Monday morning anyway

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#DerekChauvinTrial - IMPORTANT: Judge will call in 12 jurors tomorrow. If they don't get a 15th juror seated out of those 12, he won't go any further. If they do, he will dismiss that person on Mon. if the 14 are still in tact. Tomorrow is final day of jury selection regardless.

 

[Chelly]

Linda Kenney Baden

@KenneyBaden

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Replying to @cathyrusson and @LawCrimeNetwork
So what? The alternate is just an alternate for this week only? Am I reading this right? So if so means there was a possible issue for a seated juror for only this week? Confused host.

@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - Correct. If they get a 15th tomorrow, that person would not be an alternate IF the seated 14 are still available Monday morning. The 15th is a buffer in case they lose a juror this week. ONLY 2 ALTERNATES regardless.
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[Chelly]

@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - Court resumes tomorrow 9am CT/10am ET.

 

[Chelly]

Ha! Judge Cahill firing shots in the courthouse!! Whew! This trial is going to be very interesting.

I liked hearing Cahill getting that sarcastic little dig in referring to “disagreed with the premise” spoken by a City Atty re settlement. (An insider jab.)

And, yes @Weki. I agree. This trial is going to be very interesting.

 

[lonetraveler]

You are not alone. I'll admit I came to this trial believing DC Guilty of murder2. Now, I just don't know what to believe. I'm getting myself hung up on on the phrase"beyond a shadow of a doubt" which we will be hearing over-and-over near end of the trial.

LOL, I used that phrase during juror voir dire on my first jury and I thought the judge was going to explode. Believe me, it's 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.

 

[Chelly]

LOL, I used that phrase during juror voir dire on my first jury and I thought the judge was going to explode. Believe me, it's 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.

Glad to know I'm not alone. Thanks for helping me feel less embarrassed. OMG! We are just human, after all!!!

 

[mickey2942]

LOL, I used that phrase during juror voir dire on my first jury and I thought the judge was going to explode. Believe me, it's 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.

I don't see that at all.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't see that at all.

What don't you see?

 

[mickey2942]

What don't you see?

I don't see that Officer Chauvin is guilty at this point in time. I would like to see what his defense presents.

Can't we amicably agree that right now, Officer Chauvin has not been determined guilty.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't see that Officer Chauvin is guilty at this point in time. I would like to see what his defense presents.

Can't we amicably agree that right now, Officer Chauvin has not been determined guilty.

Oh, I thought OP was referring to the "standard of proof," so I thought you were saying it should be "beyond a shadow of a doubt" as opposed to "beyond a reasonable doubt."

And, yes, the trial hasn't started yet and we haven't heard all the evidence, but the OP didn't refer to any particular trial. I thought it was the phrase in general being discussed and the confusion about it's meaning. I think Al66pine (I hope that's right) provided a good description of it a few pages back.

 

[Lilibet]

I don't see that Officer Chauvin is guilty at this point in time. I would like to see what his defense presents.

Can't we amicably agree that right now, Officer Chauvin has not been determined guilty.

Sincere question, recognizing that Mr Chauvin has not been found guilty, may I ask what factors cause you to say that you don’t see that Mr Chauvin is guilty at this time?

I expect his defense will be that Mr Floyd’s medical issues and/or drugs caused his death that day and not Mr Chauvin kneeling on his neck for the better part of 7 minutes 46 seconds to 8 minutes 46 seconds depending on reporting. That argument reminds me of Covid minimizers who say that if someone had underlying conditions it wasn’t Covid that caused their death. To which I ask, would those underlying conditions have killed the person at this time if they had not contracted Covid? So I would also ask jurors if it’s reasonable to believe that whatever medical and/or drug issues Mr Floyd had would have killed him that day had he not encountered Mr Chauvin who knelt on his neck? Obviously both in Covid cases and Mr Floyd’s case it’s usually impossible to know for sure whether these events OR the underlying conditions killed the victim, so it may be that Mr Chauvin is found Not Guilty. The jury may be persuaded to give Mr Floyd’s underlying conditions more weight than Mr Chauvin’s weight on Mr Floyd’s neck for approximately 8-9 minutes.

That technicality being said, it defies my sense of logic/reasonableness to believe that Mr Chauvin reducing Mr Floyd’s air supply for that many minutes just happened to coincide with him dying in that time frame only because of a medical condition or drugs. Had Mr Floyd not encountered Mr Chauvin that day I believe he would have lived to see another day or another few hours at worst. Mr Chauvin continuing to kneel on Mr Floyd’s neck despite Mr Floyd saying “I can’t breath” and onlookers begging him to stop showed a callous disregard for Mr Floyd’s life. Put all that together and I consider Mr Chauvin guilty beyond a reasonable doubt with what I know so far.
JMO

 

[Niner]

Tuesday, March 23rd:
*Trial continues with Jury Selection (Day 11) (@ 9am CT) - MN – George Perry Floyd, Jr. (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) - *Derek Michael Chauvin (44/now 45) police officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes & 46 seconds (Note: on 10/14/20 this has been changed to 9 minutes & 30 seconds) (& non responsive for 2 minutes & 53 seconds before officer took his knee off his neck; from 8:19pm to 8:28pm his knee was on Floyd’s neck; has been fired (5/26/20) & arrested & charged (5/29/20) with 3rd degree murder & 2nd degree manslaughter. Charges changed (6/3/20) to 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony, 3rd degree murder-perpetrating eminently dangerous act (3rd degree charge was dismissed on 10/22/20 & reinstated on 3/11/21) & evincing depraved mind & 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. $500K bond, reset (6/8/20) @ $1.25M & $1M with conditions. Posted non-cash $1M bond (10/7/20) & has been released from jail.
Trial began on 3/8/21 with jury selection. Jury selection could run through March 26, 2021. Opening statements & the commencement of the State’s case will begin no earlier than March 29, 2021. Experts anticipate the trial could last 2-4 weeks. Jurors: 12 & 2 alternates. Jurors will be sequestered during deliberations. None of the other officers will be testifying at Chauvin’s trial.
Jurors seated as of 3/22/21: 1) Juror #2: White man in his 20s; chemist. 2) Juror #9: Multi-racial woman in her 20s. 3) Juror #19: White man in his 30s; auditor. 4) Juror #27: Black man in his 30s; IT Security Manager. 5) Juror #44: White woman in her 50s; Non-profit health advocate. 6) Juror #52: Black man in his 30s; banker/youth sports coach. 7) Juror #55: White woman in her 50s; Exec. Assistant in healthcare. 8) Juror #79: Black man in his 40s. 9) Juror #85: Multi-racial woman in her 40s; organizational management consultant. 10) Juror #89: White woman in her 50s; cardiac care nurse. 11) Juror #91: Black woman in her 60s; grandmother & volunteers at youth organizations. 12) Juror #92: White woman in her 40s; commercial insurance. 13) Juror #96: White woman in her 50s; customer service, business burned down during riots. 14) Juror #118: White woman in her 20s; social worker. Total: 5-men/9-women. (4 black, 8 white & 2 multi-racial).
Bond conditions & court info & jury selection (3/9 thru 3/19) from 12/19/20 thru 3/19/21 reference post #810 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *officers charged* #3
3/19/21 Friday, Day 9 of Jury Selection: Motions today: Judge Peter Cahill said he’ll rule on the forensic psychiatrist’s testimony on Friday, when he plans to issue a broader ruling on the admissibility of Floyd’s 2019 arrest & on defense motions for delaying or moving the trial. First up is the May 6, 2019 arrest video of Floyd. Judge Cahill says the cause of death is the clear issue here. Defense saying it was due in part to drug toxicity & not positional asphyxia from Chauvin's knee. Judge says behavior between the 2019 & 2020 arrests is "remarkably similar" but the 2019 behavior is not admissible. Judge says the 2019 arrest video would be admissible from the time one officer approaches Floyd's on the passenger side of the vehicle. Judge: I will allow a portion of the video from the one officer when he approaches the car until the time he's handcuffed. That's all that's admissible. Photo of pills in the backseat is admissible. Floyd's statements surrounding blood pressure allowed. Judge Cahill also ruled that the State's expert Dr. Sarah Vinson cannot testify that Floyd was experiencing anxiety or claustrophobia but if defense opens the door, it could be allowed. Judge denies defense motion to delay the trial (continuance) & denies motion for change of venue. Jury Selection: Jurors #93 thru #95 were dismissed on 3/8. Juror #96: Selected, female. Judges call attorneys into chambers re new development. Jurors #97 thru #98 – Dismissed on 3/8. Juror #99 – Dismissed, woman. Jurors #100 thru #102 – Dismissed on 3/8. Juror #103 – Dismissed, female. Jurors #104 thru 108 – Dismissed on 3/8. Juror #109 – Dismissed by State strike; biased towards LE, male. Juror #110 – Dismissed by Judge, female. Juror #111 – Dismissed by Defense strike, male. Juror #112 – Dismissed on 3/8. Juror #113 – Dismissed by Judge, male. Strikes: State has 7/10 & Defense has 13/18. Jury selection continues on Monday, 3/22/21.
3/22/21 Monday, Day 10 of Jury Selection: Motions: Defense filed briefs late Friday in support of their change of venue motion. Judge Cahill reviewed & said it doesn't change his ruling Change of venue still denied. Judge ruled on what will be allowed in evidence. Motion in Limine will be heard later this week. Jury selection: Juror #114 - Dismissed on 3/8. Juror #115 - Dismissed by Defense strike, woman. Juror #116 - Dismissed by Judge for cause, male. Juror #117 - Dismissed by Judge for cause, female. Juror #118 – Selected, female. Judge would like 1 more juror. Court is at lunch recess. Judge will meet attorneys in chambers at 1pm. Jury selection resumes at 1:30pm. Juror #119 – Dismissed by Judge for cause, male. Judge Cahill to attorneys after dismissing the last juror who said the settlement news slanted his opinion too much to be fair and impartial, "I guess we can't disagree with the premise anymore." That’s a shot at the city attorney who said he “disagreed with the premise” that the announcement of the settlement had any impact on the criminal trial. Juror #120 – Dismissed by Judge for cause, male. Juror #121 – Dismissed by Defense strike however judge says he found the juror evasive & flippant & he's willing to revisit that defense strike if the defense runs out before the jury is complete, male. Juror #123 - Dismissed by Judge for cause. Judge will call in 12 jurors tomorrow, 3/23/21. If they don't get a 15th juror seated out of those 12, he won't go any further. If they do, he will dismiss that person on Monday. if the 14 are still intact. Tomorrow is final day of jury selection regardless. Strikes left: State has 7/10 & Defense has 15/18. Jury selection continued on 3/23/21.
*Charged (7/22/20) with 6 counts of aiding & abetting taxes-false or fraudulent returns-filed with commissioner & 3 counts aiding & abetting taxes-failure to file return, report, document. – Omnibus hearing on 6/30/21.

 

[Weki]

Sincere question, recognizing that Mr Chauvin has not been found guilty, may I ask what factors cause you to say that you don’t see that Mr Chauvin is guilty at this time?

I expect his defense will be that Mr Floyd’s medical issues and/or drugs caused his death that day and not Mr Chauvin kneeling on his neck for the better part of 7 minutes 46 seconds to 8 minutes 46 seconds depending on reporting. That argument reminds me of Covid minimizers who say that if someone had underlying conditions it wasn’t Covid that caused their death. To which I ask, would those underlying conditions have killed the person at this time if they had not contracted Covid? So I would also ask jurors if it’s reasonable to believe that whatever medical and/or drug issues Mr Floyd had would have killed him that day had he not encountered Mr Chauvin who knelt on his neck? Obviously both in Covid cases and Mr Floyd’s case it’s usually impossible to know for sure whether these events OR the underlying conditions killed the victim, so it may be that Mr Chauvin is found Not Guilty. The jury may be persuaded to give Mr Floyd’s underlying conditions more weight than Mr Chauvin’s weight on Mr Floyd’s neck for approximately 8-9 minutes.

That technicality being said, it defies my sense of logic/reasonableness to believe that Mr Chauvin reducing Mr Floyd’s air supply for that many minutes just happened to coincide with him dying in that time frame only because of a medical condition or drugs. Had Mr Floyd not encountered Mr Chauvin that day I believe he would have lived to see another day or another few hours at worst. Mr Chauvin continuing to kneel on Mr Floyd’s neck despite Mr Floyd saying “I can’t breath” and onlookers begging him to stop showed a callous disregard for Mr Floyd’s life. Put all that together and I consider Mr Chauvin guilty beyond a reasonable doubt with what I know so far.
JMO

Well put! Some are arguing he was saying “I can’t breathe” before he went on the ground and thus he was already dying at that point. But even if that’s the argument, as a police officer Chauvin had a duty to preserve life. And if someone is telling him ‘I can’t breathe’ how do you justify proceeding to restrict that persons airway for 8-9 minutes?

Another argument is well he was talking so he was breathing. He was just malingering and resisting arrest. OK, but then a person who said “I can’t breathe” stopped talking and moving, so of course logically Chauvin had to keep restricting his airway for another couple minutes?

Either way you slice and dice it, I don’t know how he’s not guilty of manslaughter at the very least.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Link has already come up for today's jury selection of "final juror" if you want to click on as a bookmark this early. Begins 9 am Central/10 am Eastern

 

[Weki]

Well, that was only in regard to one potential juror, correct? It's unfortunate that the settlement was reached (and publicized) just before the trial. But millions of people had already watched the video of Floyd being murdered so hopefully if the jury is able to set aside their opinions regarding the murder, they will be able to do the same regarding the settlement. Imo

I was referring to him taking a shot at the city attorney or whoever said they “disagree with the premise” that the settlement news prejudiced the jury pool.

 

[mickey2942]

Sincere question, recognizing that Mr Chauvin has not been found guilty, may I ask what factors cause you to say that you don’t see that Mr Chauvin is guilty at this time?

I expect his defense will be that Mr Floyd’s medical issues and/or drugs caused his death that day and not Mr Chauvin kneeling on his neck for the better part of 7 minutes 46 seconds to 8 minutes 46 seconds depending on reporting. That argument reminds me of Covid minimizers who say that if someone had underlying conditions it wasn’t Covid that caused their death. To which I ask, would those underlying conditions have killed the person at this time if they had not contracted Covid? So I would also ask jurors if it’s reasonable to believe that whatever medical and/or drug issues Mr Floyd had would have killed him that day had he not encountered Mr Chauvin who knelt on his neck? Obviously both in Covid cases and Mr Floyd’s case it’s usually impossible to know for sure whether these events OR the underlying conditions killed the victim, so it may be that Mr Chauvin is found Not Guilty. The jury may be persuaded to give Mr Floyd’s underlying conditions more weight than Mr Chauvin’s weight on Mr Floyd’s neck for approximately 8-9 minutes.

That technicality being said, it defies my sense of logic/reasonableness to believe that Mr Chauvin reducing Mr Floyd’s air supply for that many minutes just happened to coincide with him dying in that time frame only because of a medical condition or drugs. Had Mr Floyd not encountered Mr Chauvin that day I believe he would have lived to see another day or another few hours at worst. Mr Chauvin continuing to kneel on Mr Floyd’s neck despite Mr Floyd saying “I can’t breath” and onlookers begging him to stop showed a callous disregard for Mr Floyd’s life. Put all that together and I consider Mr Chauvin guilty beyond a reasonable doubt with what I know so far.
JMO

With this logic, why bother with trials at all? I hope that the jurors chosen have not already decided this case.

Media bias aside, can we at least agree that Officer Chauvin is "Innocent, until proven guilty"?