MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #10

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shergal said:
As Human said, many acts happened at the churches they served at around Minnesota (and elsewhere) and in the schools they taught in. Facebook has a policy of no molesters with records being allowed to have a fb page, but because their acts were covered by the Abbey - only one of many priests/monks has actually had to serve prison time. So they are allowed to be on fb - there are some of them on there right now. And we see some who were parish priests in St. Joe in the 80's around town, they take the bus in from SJU, hang out at the mall, etc. So it's a lie that they are "on restriction" at SJU.
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Its hard to establish a connection to jacob because of the gun involved. Also the monk would have had to sneak out of the abbey.
 
Out of all of the atrocities at the abbey was a gun ever involved, was a person killed or still missing for years and years?
 
Sasquatch321 said:
Its hard to establish a connection to jacob because of the gun involved. Also the monk would have had to sneak out of the abbey.
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No, there were priests right in St. Joe at the rectory which is right downtown in St. Joe next to the big church on Minnesota Street. They were later found out (3 or 4 of them who served at that parish) to be pedophiles and are now on restriction at SJU. The abbey is not like a cloister, there is no 'sneaking out" - it's an open campus and the priests and monks on restriction wander all over the campus. They also can leave and go into town. Some have cars. Some have their own homes who have been "let go" from the priesthood.

I suppose a priest or monk could have a gun, not as many people carried guns in 1989 as they do now though. Although, if it was someone intent on committing a crime back in 1989, then they would have probably had a gun. But we don't know for sure that the perp had a gun. He said he had a gun and the boys saw something shiny.
 
shergal said:
Not buying this theory. Our son went to North Junior High (where Jacob went) and private file cabinets, teacher's files, and any confidential school records were all kept in locked cabinets to which janitors did not have access. I volunteered at North in the library and the office when my son was there, and even teacher's aides had to have a signed slip from the teacher and the manager would get whatever they needed for them with her "special keys".

I still think Jacob was taken on impulse by someone who saw an opportunity and grabbed him. Possibly someone local already out in the woods at the party spot, or outside at night with a car parked in the brush road across from DR's driveway who saw 3 boys go by, and realized who it was, and made the snap decision to grab Jacob. This local person (or persons) could have driven off with Jacob and then handed Jacob off to someone else (a pedophile or group) for money, or just kept driving and kept him for himself. The one visible deep footprint in DR's driveway could have been from Jacob escaping and running up the driveway and being caught at that soft spot in the road. (I'm just thinking out loud - trying to think of scenarios that wouldn't necessarily involve DR.)
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Could the janitor have unlocked the room that held the special key? May as well prove it untrue.
 
Sasquatch321 said:
Out of all of the atrocities at the abbey was a gun ever involved, was a person killed or still missing for years and years?
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Yes, Josh Guimond is missing from St. John's for years and years. We don't know if a gun was involved, because he was alone when he disappeared. (I think an SJU involvement is much more likely in Josh's case than in Jacob's case. Just because Josh disappeared right from the SJU campus.) JMO.

And I'll go grab a link for another incident.
 
not hard at all. They all had secrets and stashed things they shouldn't have in secret places and they came and went at all hours of the day. They didn't have to sneak out of the Abbey. They could just say they were going to the store. They drove cars. The "restriction" was a loose term meaning they couldn't say mass to the public.
 
copied from the link below
"Anderson view “In our experience, working in every state and every diocese, they’re the darkest and most medieval when it comes to helping and healing. They’ve been miserable and mean and unpastoral and hurtful; it’s just ‘batten down the hatches and get ready for war.’ “

"St. John’s Abbey whistleblowers Former monk at St. John’s Abbey, MN, and psychotherapist, A. W. Richard Sipe, conducted a study of clerical sexual habits, 1990 (Priestly fornication). Patrick Wall, 11 years as a Benedictine monk at St. John’s Abbe, six as a priest, published “Sex, Priests and Secret Codes” by Bonus Books November 2005. “We are exposing a couple thousand years of hypocrisy.” In Wall’s career he learned that “many priests maintain secret sexual relationships.”

"Olson allegation “I remember Father Richard got mad about something and we ran over to the neighbors,” said Helen Olson. “The woman and her boys wanted us to stay the night there, but we didn’t. I was 11. Father Richard raped me that night.” The fondling in the cabin sauna, then up in the musty loft. The knife at her throat while the priest molested her and told her she would die if she ever talked about what he was doing to her. Her brother described the sexual abuse he suffered at the hands of Eckroth, he tried to commit suicide in 1978. "
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/credibly-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/
 
"Jeffrey Anderson, a St. Paul, Minn., attorney stated: “For a long time there has been a cleric culture created there at St. John’s of sexual abuse of minors and adults, and it is huge. Every time we try to address it legally, they put up barriers, hiding behind statutes of limitations. They are deceiving everybody that there isn’t a problem out there."
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/...al-misconduct/

If there is a "culture...of sexual abuse of minors and adults" where they get away with this behavior for years without being arrested or caught, this attracts people who want to be in that culture and get away with it. This is why some people with the same mindset became priests and most likely why other people moved closer to the monks at the Abbey who they heard were just like them.
 
Sasquatch321 said:
Out of all of the atrocities at the abbey was a gun ever involved, was a person killed or still missing for years and years?
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Yes, Josh Guimond is missing from St. John's for years and years. We don't know if a gun was involved, because he was alone when he disappeared. (I think an SJU involvement is much more likely in Josh's case than in Jacob's case. Just because Josh disappeared right from the SJU campus.) JMO.

And I'll go grab a link for another incident...

On Sept. 2, 1974, Mary and Susanne Reker were taken (while on a shopping trip) and murdered in St. Cloud. Their bodies were found on Sept. 26, 1974 by teenagers at a local (St. Cloud) quarry. Susanne’s fully clothed body under a bush at the edge of an abandoned stone quarry on the outskirts of town. She had been stabbed thirteen times. Mary’s body was found submerged under forty feet of water. She had been thrown from the quarry cliff. Her bra had been cut into four pieces. Her clothing and underwear were found thrown about the cliff save for the front of her blue sweater which has never been found.

There were several suspects who are mentioned in the article linked below. One of them was a priest who taught at St. John's and had been a parish priest in St. Joe.

Small excerpt from article linked:

"Father Richard Eckroth, taught Philosophy at St. John's University in Collegeville, Minnesota and served as a Priest to two nearby Parishes. He would often take children unsupervised to a retreat cabin owned by St. John's Abbey at Lake Swensen near Bemidji, Minnesota where numerous people, both male and female, alleged they were raped and molested by the Priest.

In 1976, Father Richard Eckroth inexplicably stopped taking children to the cabin. In 1977 he was transferred to the Bahamas where he stayed until 1993 when he was recalled in 1993 amidst multiple allegations of sexual abuse and required to live under restriction, along with a dozen other monks we have admitted to, or there is credible allegation of, sexual abuse. St. John's has made settlements to some of the alleged victims, around ten to twenty thousand dollars each, but has not admitted any fault. The Statute of Limitations has run out on these cases so no charges were brought against Father Eckroth and St. John's has been unwilling to share what it knows about pedophiles in their midst with police or prosecutors.

Two of the children who were invited by Father Richard Eckroth to come stay at the cabin on Lake Swensen twice in 1972, and play in the pool and enjoy the sauna, were Mary and Susanne Reker.

At St. John's Abby, Father Eckroth has been in charge of the Abbey cemetery and monastic burials."

http://open.salon.com/blog/laura_wi...ders_of_mary_and_susanne_reker_minnesota_1974

Link for Reker girls on WS:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...red-on-Labor-Day-1974&p=10001318#post10001318
 
I have no idea where teachers, etc keep,their keys to their file cabinets.

I have no idea how strict and trained the teachers in Jacob's school were.

We had training from the school district attorney who told us the liabilities involved in student records.

I think most of us are very concerned about not having that hassle.; a lawsuit for something that can easily be prevented.
 
We are suggesting that a monk or priest killed Jacob, or he is still holding him captive. The latter is virtually impossible and the first doesn't connect with the acts of these sickos.
 
Sasquatch321 said:
We are suggesting that a monk or priest killed Jacob, or he is still holding him captive. The latter is virtually impossible and the first doesn't connect with the acts of these sickos.
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How is it impossible or unlikely?

Fran Hoefgren (FH) abused the same boy from his parish in Hastings, MN from 1989 to 1991, when the boy was 9 to 12 years old. Before that he worked at a parish in Cold Spring, MN where he was caught abusing a young boy (and instead of being stopped, the church just moved him to the parish in Hastings). His picture is shown at this link. Picture him with a hat - look familiar?? I'm not saying this is what happened, but it's certainly not impossible.

http://www.sctimes.com/story/news/l...johns-abbey-monk-accused-abusing-boy/9390741/

He was actually arrested for the Cold Spring offense, but posted bail immediately and then the Stearns County Sheriff's Dept. declined to charge him and he went off for "treatment."

"Hoefgen was arrested Tuesday and was ordered held in lieu of $150,000 bail without conditions or $25,000 with several conditions, including not having any contact with the alleged victim. Hoefgen posted the lower bail and was released....

Hoefgen admitted in March 1984 that he had sexually abused a boy in the St. Boniface parish residence in Cold Spring. Hoefgen was sent to St. Luke Institute in Maryland for evaluation and treatment but was not charged with a crime in Stearns County.

The abuse that Hoefgen perpetrated on the Cold Spring boy was reported to police, who took statements from the victim and from Hoefgen. The case was sent to the Stearns County Attorney's Office for a decision on whether to charge Hoefgen... The Stearns County Attorney's Office in 1986 declined to file criminal charges against Hoefgen, saying that the statutes at the time didn't fit the circumstances of what Hoefgen did."



Also see:
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/letter-from-monk-to-prison-pen-pal/
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2014/03/francis_hoefgen_priest_abuse.php
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/stor...with-sexual-assault-of-altar-boy-from-1989-91
http://www.startribune.com/local/232770361.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/monk-accused-of-sex-abuse-runs-from-reporter/
 
shergal said:
How is it impossible or unlikely?

Fran Hoefgren (FH) abused the same boy from his parish in Hastings, MN from 1989 to 1991, when the boy was 9 to 12 years old. Before that he worked at a parish in Cold Spring, MN where he was caught abusing a young boy (and instead of being stopped, the church just moved him to the parish in Hastings). His picture is shown at this link. Picture him with a hat - look familiar?? I'm not saying this is what happened, but it's certainly not impossible.

http://www.sctimes.com/story/news/l...johns-abbey-monk-accused-abusing-boy/9390741/

He was actually arrested for the Cold Spring offense, but posted bail immediately and then the Stearns County Sheriff's Dept. declined to charge him and he went off for "treatment."

"Hoefgen was arrested Tuesday and was ordered held in lieu of $150,000 bail without conditions or $25,000 with several conditions, including not having any contact with the alleged victim. Hoefgen posted the lower bail and was released....

Hoefgen admitted in March 1984 that he had sexually abused a boy in the St. Boniface parish residence in Cold Spring. Hoefgen was sent to St. Luke Institute in Maryland for evaluation and treatment but was not charged with a crime in Stearns County.

The abuse that Hoefgen perpetrated on the Cold Spring boy was reported to police, who took statements from the victim and from Hoefgen. The case was sent to the Stearns County Attorney's Office for a decision on whether to charge Hoefgen... The Stearns County Attorney's Office in 1986 declined to file criminal charges against Hoefgen, saying that the statutes at the time didn't fit the circumstances of what Hoefgen did."



Also see:
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/letter-from-monk-to-prison-pen-pal/
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2014/03/francis_hoefgen_priest_abuse.php
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/stor...with-sexual-assault-of-altar-boy-from-1989-91
http://www.startribune.com/local/232770361.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/monk-accused-of-sex-abuse-runs-from-reporter/
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He looks like the hat guy, doesn't he.

I am interested in Gillespie.

Any pics of him?
 
shergal said:
How is it impossible or unlikely?

Fran Hoefgren (FH) abused the same boy from his parish in Hastings, MN from 1989 to 1991, when the boy was 9 to 12 years old. Before that he worked at a parish in Cold Spring, MN where he was caught abusing a young boy (and instead of being stopped, the church just moved him to the parish in Hastings). His picture is shown at this link. Picture him with a hat - look familiar?? I'm not saying this is what happened, but it's certainly not impossible.

http://www.sctimes.com/story/news/l...johns-abbey-monk-accused-abusing-boy/9390741/

He was actually arrested for the Cold Spring offense, but posted bail immediately and then the Stearns County Sheriff's Dept. declined to charge him and he went off for "treatment."

"Hoefgen was arrested Tuesday and was ordered held in lieu of $150,000 bail without conditions or $25,000 with several conditions, including not having any contact with the alleged victim. Hoefgen posted the lower bail and was released....

Hoefgen admitted in March 1984 that he had sexually abused a boy in the St. Boniface parish residence in Cold Spring. Hoefgen was sent to St. Luke Institute in Maryland for evaluation and treatment but was not charged with a crime in Stearns County.

The abuse that Hoefgen perpetrated on the Cold Spring boy was reported to police, who took statements from the victim and from Hoefgen. The case was sent to the Stearns County Attorney's Office for a decision on whether to charge Hoefgen... The Stearns County Attorney's Office in 1986 declined to file criminal charges against Hoefgen, saying that the statutes at the time didn't fit the circumstances of what Hoefgen did."



Also see:
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/letter-from-monk-to-prison-pen-pal/
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2014/03/francis_hoefgen_priest_abuse.php
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/stor...with-sexual-assault-of-altar-boy-from-1989-91
http://www.startribune.com/local/232770361.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/monk-accused-of-sex-abuse-runs-from-reporter/
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Never a diguise, never a threat with a gun, all victims released. The monks live in a dorm, how could one be tending to jacob for 25 years? Why couldn't a disguised man have just let jacob go? Because the location jacob was in, was not one he could leave from, the farm. Imo
 
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Keep hope alive. We know the public link to josh. The priests have no link. Imo
 
That's because you have never researched the atrocities that have happened by the hands of these monsters that call themselves holy men. They have raped and abused children wherever, whenever they could. Josh was probably killed to shut him up. The priest in '09 was probably killed to shut him up. The 2 little girls were quite possibly killed by someone connected with the abbey. Men at the abbey were considered suspect in all of these cases and interviewed by LE in all of these and also in Jacobs case!
 
Evidently, a couple of students had gone to a professor at St. John's and told him the sketch of the suspect in Jacob's disappearance looked like one of the monks. JBrown did you know about this? Also, the same professor is trained in psychological profiling. I cannot speak for him, but I do think he ascribes to the theory that at least some or many of these attacks were committed by the same person(s). He said that usually sexual predators have their own "territory," if you will, and they usually hunt for victims in particular area. He apparently sees a connection, a pattern in the cases. I have followed his research for years and because he teaches at St. John's University, in my opinion he is in a particularly good position to observe the goings on there. Are these discrete events, or are they linked?
 
ThePhantom said:
Evidently, a couple of students had gone to a professor at St. John's and told him the sketch of the suspect in Jacob's disappearance looked like one of the monks. JBrown did you know about this? Also, the same professor is trained in psychological profiling. I cannot speak for him, but I do think he ascribes to the theory that at least some or many of these attacks were committed by the same person(s). He said that usually sexual predators have their own "territory," if you will, and they usually hunt for victims in particular area. He apparently sees a connection, a pattern in the cases. I have followed his research for years and because he teaches at St. John's University, in my opinion he is in a particularly good position to observe the goings on there. Are these discrete events, or are they linked?
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I think the suspect would be Jared's.

I don't see how there could be a drawing of Jacob's suspect.
 
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