MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #13

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You taught for 30 years and you can't identify the approximate age of a child? What grade did you teach? I have several relatives who are/were teachers and all can approximate a child age much better than I can. They work around them all day long.

Personally, I think that it would have been pretty obvious to pretty much anyone, teacher or not, that Jacob and Aaron were probably under 13 and that Trevor was a little younger. I think the abductor really had some kind of a separate motive for asking that question, that we're not really certain what it is. To an extent, I think that it's possible that whatever questions he asked the kids, including that, 'could' have been to try and get a sense of the three, who was the most solid and least shaken up. Possibly as a way to take the one who he figured would have been the most likely to be able to get help the quickest, and to be able to give the best description of the abductor and the circumstances. So, asking them a few questions, he could get a sense of who's really shaken up, and who's not. It's just a possibility. In either case, he could likely tell that Jacob and Aaron were about the same age, and that Trevor was a little younger. So, 11, 12, 13...., I'm not certain whether that was really his consideration. And, also, as a pedophile, he probably didn't need to know their specific age, to know which one he was interested in. Like I said, he could tell that Jacob and Aaron were older, and he didn't take Trevor.
 
Perhaps DR had an acquaintance who had a thing for younger boys. Did DR get involved in any other local activities besides music related events? He's a runner, right? Did he have any running partners? Did he participate in marathons or races with anyone local? Does anyone know how many suspects were arrested and then let go because they lawyered up? If a suspect is released, but there are still suspicions about him, does LE follow up (I would hope so).Trying to make connections -- connect dots -- see if DR may have known someone who was familiar with that street, knew Jacob lived there, etc.
 
I wouldn't set too much store by that - its a dog, he might have been distracted by a rabbit or an interesting smell or some other doggy preoccupation. Besides, this guy wouldn't have made his presence obvious, we're talking about a car that quietly slips into the bottom of the driveway, (which is very long), and immediately turns off the engine and the lights.

I really agree with Cappuccino on this! There's too many possibilities, maybe Smokey barked a bit, but didn't go on and on; also, if Smokey was such a Barkey dog, then Rassier(s) probably were used to him barking on and off, and didn't go out to check every time he barked. We don't know if the perp had a really quiet car, which do exist, and which I think is a good likelihood that he did, and/or, whether he parked at or near the bottom of the drive. I just don't think you can make a case that anything necessarily did or did not happen, by whether Smokey barked or not.
 
The part about the perpetrator in Jacob's abduction having a raspy voice --- I can't recall if Jared made the same observation about the man who assaulted him? Anyone know? What is the consensus thus far with regard to whether Jacob and Jared's assailants are the same? I'm not sure.

Jared has said exactly that! It's actually one of the aspects that Jared emphasizes as one of the reasons that he believes that the cases are related. This information is found in both "The Hunt" the CNN show with John Walsh and in Jared's Story on Joy's blog. You can go to Joy's blog and there's a search box on the right and you can type in "Jared's Story" and/or, "Embracing the Past" for a lot of information about Jared, including some comments from Jared himself, in the comment section.

Whether there's a consensus on this board as to whether Jacob's and Jared's abductors are the same. I don't know, but, I don't really think there is one. A good question, I'd like to see who's interested in weighing in on it, maybe with just a basic, "I think they are related" or "I think they are Not related" or something like that. For me, personally, I think that it's a strong 90% chance that they are related.
 
The raspy voice. I think it's possible the perp is the same -- someone not named by LE but suspected -- and not further pursued for one reason or another.
 
Baker Street and Dale Street were both turn offs before Rassier's driveway. I think an abductor would have turned off on Dale Street and waited to see if the boys came back that way. It was a pretty desolate street back then. It was pitch black out, so he wouldn't have been seen. I think only a local who knew the Rassiers were gone on vacation would have gone past those turnoffs and turned into Rassier's driveway.

Ok. This is probably my fault because I am geographically challenged and I freely admit it. So if I'm wrong about the following, please explain it to me slowly and in terms which a geographically challenged person can understand...

What you're calling Dale Street, is what I think is the main road. So my theory of the crime is one where the kidnapper is lurking somewhere on Dale Street. I don't know where Baker Street is.
 
Personally, I think that it would have been pretty obvious to pretty much anyone, teacher or not, that Jacob and Aaron were probably under 13 and that Trevor was a little younger. I think the abductor really had some kind of a separate motive for asking that question, that we're not really certain what it is. To an extent, I think that it's possible that whatever questions he asked the kids, including that, 'could' have been to try and get a sense of the three, who was the most solid and least shaken up. Possibly as a way to take the one who he figured would have been the most likely to be able to get help the quickest, and to be able to give the best description of the abductor and the circumstances. So, asking them a few questions, he could get a sense of who's really shaken up, and who's not. It's just a possibility. In either case, he could likely tell that Jacob and Aaron were about the same age, and that Trevor was a little younger. So, 11, 12, 13...., I'm not certain whether that was really his consideration. And, also, as a pedophile, he probably didn't need to know their specific age, to know which one he was interested in. Like I said, he could tell that Jacob and Aaron were older, and he didn't take Trevor.

Maybe that question was a psychological exercise rather than a practical one. Look at this from the perspective of the three children - you're cycling down a dark road, suddenly a masked man jumps out at you with something in his hand that looks like a gun. He orders you, in a very threatening manner, to lie face down in the ditch. At that stage, you are going to be very frightened, and possibly even in fear of imminent death. So then he points the possible gun at your head and asks you a question - any question - whether or not you answer, and how you answer, will tell him something about you.

If any of the boys had responded to his question with something like "none of your business", that would have told him that the child in question was rebellious and difficult to control. But even without going to that extreme, tone of voice can give away whether or not someone is frightened or angry or rebellious or whatever other emotion. So possibly that was the reason for the question.
 
What was his alibi for the night of Jared's abduction?

DR's alibi for the night Jared was abducted and assaulted, was that he was playing with Betty Wolf, as a solo gig away from The Deutschmeisters. The gig was at the American Legion in Eden Valley. I have spoken with people who frequented these Friday night dinner / band gigs, and they told me that the band would play until at least 10pm or so.

I believe DR's alibi for Jared is tight. IMO, LE was so sure that Jacob's and Jared's crimes were connected, and they knew that DR had an alibi for Jared, so they probably overlooked DR for Jacob from the beginning, even thought they were never comfortable with his answers from the beginning. That, and the fresh tire tracks made DR's story make sense.

For me, it's all about that afternoon car. LE looked high and low to identify cars. Why didn't we hear about the afternoon car until after 2010? Newspapers printed articles about many other cars that LE was looking for - never did they print anything about a car in the driveway of the abduction scene.
 
I really agree with Cappuccino on this! There's too many possibilities, maybe Smokey barked a bit, but didn't go on and on; also, if Smokey was such a Barkey dog, then Rassier(s) probably were used to him barking on and off, and didn't go out to check every time he barked. We don't know if the perp had a really quiet car, which do exist, and which I think is a good likelihood that he did, and/or, whether he parked at or near the bottom of the drive. I just don't think you can make a case that anything necessarily did or did not happen, by whether Smokey barked or not.
Is a Monte Carlo a quiet car?
 
Maybe that question was a psychological exercise rather than a practical one. Look at this from the perspective of the three children - you're cycling down a dark road, suddenly a masked man jumps out at you with something in his hand that looks like a gun. He orders you, in a very threatening manner, to lie face down in the ditch. At that stage, you are going to be very frightened, and possibly even in fear of imminent death. So then he points the possible gun at your head and asks you a question - any question - whether or not you answer, and how you answer, will tell him something about you.

If any of the boys had responded to his question with something like "none of your business", that would have told him that the child in question was rebellious and difficult to control. But even without going to that extreme, tone of voice can give away whether or not someone is frightened or angry or rebellious or whatever other emotion. So possibly that was the reason for the question.

That's kind of been my thinking on the subject. Like I said, it's my thinking that he didn't really need to ask, to get their approx ages, and/or, as a pedophile, he didn't need to know their ages in order to know which of the three he wanted, and, he could tell that Trevor was younger; actually, in pictures of the three, it's kind of amazing how Trevor looks almost a couple of years younger than the other two, because of his height if nothing else. But, my original thinking, before finding and coming to the board; which even from watching "The Hunt" and whatever else I'd read on the subject, like Joy's blog, it's an obvious interest as to why he chose Jacob and not one of the others; and also, why he asked their ages. I somewhat suspect that he wanted to take out "the strongest link" in that, maybe if Jacob appeared more solid, and less shaken up, then he may have felt that Jacob would have been able to give the best description of both him and whatever other circumstances that may have been able to identify him, and/or, that Jacob may have been the most likely to get help the quickest of the three. Maybe Jacob would have run straight to Merle's house, just a little closer, and Merle could have made the call that much quicker; not that the perp would have known that; but, that he wanted to preclude the strongest link from seeking help as quickly as possible.

I suppose that it has to be considered that, what if he did know Jacob, maybe even to some very slight extent; but, that he thought that possibly, over time, if he let Jacob go, that Jacob would at some point recall where he knew this guy from. Maybe of the three, there was some chance that he had been around Jacob, even to a very slight degree; but, the other two, he knew that he'd never been around them; so, they'd never been around him, and so he asks the questions in order to keep someone from considering that. In other words, maybe if he'd asked no questions, then, investigators, may have speculated that selected Jacob right away because he knew Jacob, and 1) Jacob was his target, and 2) Jacob may have known who he was; but asking questions then draws all the attention to, "why did he ask their ages" and "why did he pick Jacob, of the three" which is certainly where the attention has been.

One example that comes to mind here is the case of Elizabeth Smart, where, quite a long while, several months, after her abduction, her younger sister, at some point, kind of suddenly realized and remembered who the guy was who had taken Elizabeth. A handyman who had evidently spent some time around the house. And, she was a young girl. Possibly if Jacob had just been around this guy to any extent, and the guy took either Trevor, his younger brother, or Aaron, his best friend; Jacob would've racked his brain continuously, and at some point it may have come to him.

I actually have one more thought on that, as far as whether he thought that Jacob may have been "the strongest link" which is; as far as I know, we don't know, for a fact, whether he had any way of knowing that Jacob and Trevor were brothers or not; maybe one of them had said something, I don't know. But, whether he knew that or not, he could have perceived that Jacob was in fact more solid, less shaken up, and may not have been so easy to convince to run off, leaving the other two or the other one. I'm guessing that's why he sent Trevor off first, the youngest, get him to run off, then, when he sends Aaron, he just feels like he's following Trevor, to some extent. But, maybe if he'd tried to send Jacob first, or second, especially if the guy was planning on trying to take Trevor, then he may have had to deal with a kid that wasn't ready to leave the other two, or either of the others on their own. It just seems to me, like these could 'possibly' be things that he considered under the circumstances.
 
Is a Monte Carlo a quiet car?

I don't know. Not certain what you're asking; or why. There is no known Monte Carlo related to the story. The only mention of a Monte Carlo is that DR says he saw something in the afternoon that looked 'like' a Monte Carlo, or something like that. But, that wasn't even necessarily a Monte Carlo, and it was in the afternoon. So, I'm not certain what you're looking for there.
 
I have always wondered why someone abducting anyone would ask ages. That, in itself, seems strange, and it's even stranger, albeit a few moments, to take time to ask. One would think a fast getaway would be in order.
 
I have always wondered why someone abducting anyone would ask ages. That, in itself, seems strange, and it's even stranger, albeit a few moments, to take time to ask. One would think a fast getaway would be in order.

Maybe he didn't? Maybe that information was planted by LE, as to not give away the true selection process, one that only the perpetrator would know?

I've always thought, that if age was truly the determining factor, that it may indicate a targeted abduction...asking their ages to eliminate the younger one, then looking at the faces of Aaron and Jacob...
 
Maybe he didn't? Maybe that information was planted by LE, as to not give away the true selection process, one that only the perpetrator would know?

I've always thought, that if age was truly the determining factor, that it may indicate a targeted abduction...asking their ages to eliminate the younger one, then looking at the faces of Aaron and Jacob...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCOn-vDVP-U

Actually, I think that he did ask their ages. This is a video that was made just a few days later, on the Thursday after the abduction (Oct 26 1989); actually, it was aired that date, it could have been made a day or so earlier, in either case, it was within 4 days after the abduction. Just a couple of minutes into the video, there's an interview with Aaron and Trevor and their walking down the road, and Aaron is describing what happens, how the guy came out, had them lay their bikes down, had them lay down, and he mentions how the guy asked their ages. I presume that's an accurate accounting; rather than something that LE put out.
 
Actually, I think that he did ask their ages. This is a video that was made just a few days later, on the Thursday after the abduction (Oct 26 1989); actually, it was aired that date, it could have been made a day or so earlier, in either case, it was within 4 days after the abduction. Just a couple of minutes into the video, there's an interview with Aaron and Trevor and their walking down the road, and Aaron is describing what happens, how the guy came out, had them lay their bikes down, had them lay down, and he mentions how the guy asked their ages. I presume that's an accurate accounting; rather than something that LE put out.

Yes, I'm familiar with the video. If you have it handy, watch closely and see if Aaron looks uncomfortable to you when he talks about that.
 
Yes, I'm familiar with the video. If you have it handy, watch closely and see if Aaron looks uncomfortable to you when he talks about that.

I don't know; it was 4 days or less after the abduction; to me, I'd say he looks as natural as you might expect under the circumstances.

I did just notice something, re-watching the video:

The guy asks Aaron, "Did Jacob say anything?" and Aaron says "uh uh, (like no) just his age" - I'd been wondering whether there was any dialogue whatsoever; I know that this isn't necessarily "All that was said" but, I think it's a little significant.
 
I have always wondered why someone abducting anyone would ask ages. That, in itself, seems strange, and it's even stranger, albeit a few moments, to take time to ask. One would think a fast getaway would be in order.

Strange indeed....and why did they need to lie down? Doesn't LE typically require criminals to lie down? Why not stand them in line? Ask their ages and look them in their faces-the perp had the gun-the boys would not have run as they already surrendered. Either or it takes time. And this occurred next to the mailbox....what if a vehicle had come from the north and down the hill? This would have exposed the situation immediately. Could the perp have had a lookout up the hill?
 
I don't know; it was 4 days or less after the abduction; to me, I'd say he looks as natural as you might expect under the circumstances.

I did just notice something, re-watching the video:

The guy asks Aaron, "Did Jacob say anything?" and Aaron says "uh uh, (like no) just his age" - I'd been wondering whether there was any dialogue whatsoever; I know that this isn't necessarily "All that was said" but, I think it's a little significant.
I agree...Aaron's response looks natural to me....unless asking for their ages is a euphemism.
 
Speaking about the last known Jacob print, why is there only 1? I see no other Jacob prints in the immediate vicinity of that last one and only 1 other shoe print in that picture. If the perp dropped Jacob or put him down briefly, his prints would be right next to Jacob's last print and probably show signs of movement, not a stable, clear print. I only see 1 perp (or other) print in that picture. How is that explained? There are no other prints in that picture. Why? If you say investigators ruined the scene, where are the investigator's footprints?

I suppose it is possible that Jacob knew there was a gun pointed at his back and simply got in the vehicle and the perp didn't even have to touch him. Walking five feet behind Jacob would be Enough and perps prints may not even be in the print field of these pictures , there having possibly been another print field that contained his and didn't get photographed and/or released by LE.
 
It's been identified as such in a number of different formats. Here's one, which is Shergal's Bucket; you'll see the first three pics are identified as Jacob's print/final footprint. It occurred to me when you asked that question, then I was trying to think of a good reference, that there's really no site of "official" Jacob Wetterling photos/information. Mostly what's been gathered from news reports either print or video. At least as far as I know.

http://s100.photobucket.com/user/sh...5e-48d1-b7d7-95763981ab51.jpg.html?sort=4&o=0

It's also been noted that the print was matched up with the type of shoe that Jacob was known to have been wearing. Tracker has a picture of it on one of his previous, recent posts #604.


Look at the link you cited for the picture of investigator Steve mund stooping in the middle of the print field with the crime scene tape around him. Look at the position of his feet and the type of shoe he is wearing. Does this match up with anything in your print photos? Also, what is he spraying? Finally, maybe this picture will give you more area to blow up and get the position of the vehicle and the location of the correlated tire print.

http://s100.photobucket.com/user/shergal1/media/stevemundCasts.jpg.html?sort=4&o=8
 
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