I've come to the conclusion that any mention of "Jacob being a favorite of the abbey" or of his scent having been found there, is just rumor spread by a couple people online. When you google the term in quotes only one rather dubious website comes up with a bunch of anonymous posters discussing it. These same people have lots of other odd conspiracy theories on pretty much everything, so I don't think we can consider them a valid source.
MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #6
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Also check out leerburg.com and an article by Ed Frawley disputing the use + reliability of bloodhounds tracing the scent of Chris Jenkins + Josh Guimond. Nothing mentioned of Jacob Wetterling's scent.
What do you guys think about this. Do perps start having a meltdown sometime in life and they talk about their crimes because of lots of metaphysical, spiritual reasons ? What i mean is that there have been studies showing that harming each other is not actually OK with us.
Or do you guys think that someone that is a serial killer or a perv has something so atypical that s/he will never feel anything amiss with his/her life? Nothing will eat away at them?
Or do you guys think that someone that is a serial killer or a perv has something so atypical that s/he will never feel anything amiss with his/her life? Nothing will eat away at them?
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It doesn't seem very common at all for someone to confess to murder years later, unless they are arrested, all the evidence against them is presented, etc. I think it's simply, that the consequences of confessing would be a lifetime in prison or the death penalty, so why would you? Most people have secrets that are nowhere near as bad as being a murderer, and manage to keep their mouth shut.
It's a good question. Maybe towards old age there may be some softening of the heart of people who have done wrong or maybe when a perp sees the Grim Reaper approaching there may be some repentance forthcoming....but in Jacob's case I see a perp who is either dead or has absolutely no remorse.
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I see a perp who has absolutely no remorse, whether dead or alive. If he had any remorse he would have made some attempt towards atonement by now.
Either a deathbed confession, or if he's still alive, some attempt to communicate Jacob's whereabouts, or some other attempt to deal with his guilt.
Furthermore, if Jacob's killer, (and he almost certainly was killed), had any remorse he wouldn't have destroyed Jacob's body so completely that nothing has ever been found. That's the type of horrific and remorseless behaviour which would even earn you a whole life tarrif in countries which are completely against the death penalty.
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And we know that is far from the truth! lol right? (or at least that is IMO)
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When I moved to the area yrs ago from the st. paul, mn area, I was astounded not only to that fact you state, but also so very many people damaged from their religion, and the sexual abuse in this area.
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Isn't it a little odd that we haven't had any media reports since Joy's latest blog about Stearns County trying to find those young men?!? How are they going to find the people if they don't make some sort of public plea...? Unless they have their names and are just trying to track them down..?
I 100% doubt that LE doesn't know about these crimes and who the young men are. It is ludicrous to believe that they don't know.
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I'm sure they know who they're looking for, and a news release by LE would be more timely AFTER they find them. There were police reports, news reports, etc back in 1987 about these cases. But, what we don't know is whether or not these cases ever came up during the investigation into Jacob's abduction.
As many of you know, I've spent a great deal of time reading through the archives of the St Cloud Times. An observation I have made is that leads about possible connections or links to Jacob's abduction were commonly printed in the paper. To my knowledge, nothing reported w/ regards to Jacob ever went back prior to Jared's abduction.
Also - it's quite clear from Jared's comments himself, that he was never approached about these 1987 assaults. We know he was actively involved in the investigation - it would seem if the connection was made in 1989, that he would have known about the 1987 cases - but he apparently did not.
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Or...perhaps fear is the greater motivator than guilt?? Fear of parents, for example.
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"For decades, a group of monks at St John's Abbey operated a sex abuse ring."
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/st-johns-abbey-culture-2/
Priest from MN told one of his victims it is "Italian wrestling" and "they do it all the time in Europe". These exact quotes were removed from this article from the Strib. I wish I would have done a screen shot before the edited this article!
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/st-johns-abbey-culture-2/
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/st-johns-abbey-culture-2/
Priest from MN told one of his victims it is "Italian wrestling" and "they do it all the time in Europe". These exact quotes were removed from this article from the Strib. I wish I would have done a screen shot before the edited this article!
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/st-johns-abbey-culture-2/
I don't understand why the sheriff/LE hasn't wanted to investigate St. John's further, especially in regard to Jacob, Josh Guimond (and Chris Jenkins also). Maybe they have too many ties to higher ups there. It just makes no sense why these kids disappearances aren't being looked at more thoroughly. An article on the Behind the Pine Curtain website points out all the connections between local LE and St. John's:
1) Stearns County Attorney Janelle Kendall’s children attend Saint John’s Preparatory School.
2) Stearns County Attorney Janelle Kendall’s husband, John Kendall, is currently listed as a faculty member at Saint John’s University.
3) Janelle and John Kendall give money to the Saint John’s University Annual Fund.
4) Stearns County Sheriff John Sanner and at least one of his sons reportedly attended Saint John’s University.
5) Sheriff John Sanner has been a fixture on the sidelines at Saint John’s University football games.
(from bottom of this article)
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/saint-johns-employee-admits-to-threat/
1) Stearns County Attorney Janelle Kendall’s children attend Saint John’s Preparatory School.
2) Stearns County Attorney Janelle Kendall’s husband, John Kendall, is currently listed as a faculty member at Saint John’s University.
3) Janelle and John Kendall give money to the Saint John’s University Annual Fund.
4) Stearns County Sheriff John Sanner and at least one of his sons reportedly attended Saint John’s University.
5) Sheriff John Sanner has been a fixture on the sidelines at Saint John’s University football games.
(from bottom of this article)
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/saint-johns-employee-admits-to-threat/
big whoop for his sentences. Makes me sick!
Yes, the screen shots! How often we see that happen that the info on many issues is gone very quickly. Hopefully, as with other info i have seen, it is going to be used in prosecution.
The POI has many ties to St. John's. Hm.
This makes Penn State look like nothing!
This is from the website 'Drowning in Coincidence'
December 9, 2004
St. John's website officially advises that the character of the university is shaped by the Benedictine communities that founded the college: "By living according to Saint Benedict's Rule, members of the monastic communities cultivate love of God, neighbor and self through the art of listening, worship and balanced, humane living. They challenge students to embrace these values as well."
St. John's has also challenged the father of a student who, two years ago, mysteriously disappeared after attending a party on campus. The loving, balanced, humane folks at the university demanded Brian Guimond stay off their property or face arrest from Stearns County authorities.
Not that the Order of St. Benedict had anything to hide, mind you -- it's just that Mr. Guimond was upsetting all that listening, worshipping and embracing when he'd repeatedly visit the school looking for answers about his missing child, Josh.
Michael Hemmesch, a spokesperson for St. John's, insisted the flesh was willing. "We have continued to discuss, through Mr. Guimond's attorney, an out-of-court settlement," he said, "or a resolution to this matter out of court." Unfortunately, the spirit at SJU was weak and quickly worn-out by Brian Guimond's dogged determination. For a year, the school has held a restraining order against him.
Just as St. John's was about to have their loving values reviewed in a court of law, announcement came that a settlement had been reached.
Of course, the devil's in the details.
Josh Guimond's dad says the on-going dispute with the Order of St. Benedict about his visits to St. John's has ended. He says he now feels there is no legal order preventing him from going to the campus to continue the private investigation of his son's disappearance.
Stearns County Sheriff, John Sanner, feels differently. Sanner told reporters, as far as he's concerned, if Brian Guimond goes to the college campus without an escort to look for answers about his missing boy -- he will promptly be put in jail.
Having carefully cultivated the art of listening, I'm sure St. John's University can hear concerned parents in Stearns County, in the state of Minnesota, and all over the country saying, "IF THAT WERE MY CHILD -- NOTHING AND NOBODY COULD STOP ME FROM LOOKING FOR HIM."
"You don't just vanish into thin air," said Brian Guimond. "Somebody knows something."
Whether somebody on that campus is hiding information about the missing student has yet to be determined, but based on the treatment Mr. Guimond has endured -- God knows -- something is terribly wrong at St. John's University.
December 9, 2004
St. John's website officially advises that the character of the university is shaped by the Benedictine communities that founded the college: "By living according to Saint Benedict's Rule, members of the monastic communities cultivate love of God, neighbor and self through the art of listening, worship and balanced, humane living. They challenge students to embrace these values as well."
St. John's has also challenged the father of a student who, two years ago, mysteriously disappeared after attending a party on campus. The loving, balanced, humane folks at the university demanded Brian Guimond stay off their property or face arrest from Stearns County authorities.
Not that the Order of St. Benedict had anything to hide, mind you -- it's just that Mr. Guimond was upsetting all that listening, worshipping and embracing when he'd repeatedly visit the school looking for answers about his missing child, Josh.
Michael Hemmesch, a spokesperson for St. John's, insisted the flesh was willing. "We have continued to discuss, through Mr. Guimond's attorney, an out-of-court settlement," he said, "or a resolution to this matter out of court." Unfortunately, the spirit at SJU was weak and quickly worn-out by Brian Guimond's dogged determination. For a year, the school has held a restraining order against him.
Just as St. John's was about to have their loving values reviewed in a court of law, announcement came that a settlement had been reached.
Of course, the devil's in the details.
Josh Guimond's dad says the on-going dispute with the Order of St. Benedict about his visits to St. John's has ended. He says he now feels there is no legal order preventing him from going to the campus to continue the private investigation of his son's disappearance.
Stearns County Sheriff, John Sanner, feels differently. Sanner told reporters, as far as he's concerned, if Brian Guimond goes to the college campus without an escort to look for answers about his missing boy -- he will promptly be put in jail.
Having carefully cultivated the art of listening, I'm sure St. John's University can hear concerned parents in Stearns County, in the state of Minnesota, and all over the country saying, "IF THAT WERE MY CHILD -- NOTHING AND NOBODY COULD STOP ME FROM LOOKING FOR HIM."
"You don't just vanish into thin air," said Brian Guimond. "Somebody knows something."
Whether somebody on that campus is hiding information about the missing student has yet to be determined, but based on the treatment Mr. Guimond has endured -- God knows -- something is terribly wrong at St. John's University.
human....I have no idea-makes you wonder. Can't imagine what a 'settlement' means....unless it's an admission of some sort. I copied + pasted the article verbatim. It reads like the Guimonds and St John's are butting heads. I have read there was bloodhounds brought to the site but not allowed into the Abbey but also read that another dog tracker contested the methods used by the tracker and her bloodhounds(I posted a link to that). I've done some reading about Josh Guimond + Chris Jenkins and while the disappearance and drowning of those two young men in addition to a host of others along rivers is mysterious....I haven't found a connection to Jacob's abduction-maybe somebody else has?
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