MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #6

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We are talking about a very small town, so I have to second ELOCsoul's note of caution on that ground alone - in very very very small towns, everybody is acquainted with everybody, or pretty much everybody.

We're seeing DR acquainted with this, that or the other person, but probably most adults in the same town were acquainted with all the same people he was acquainted with.
 
ELOCsoul said:
Fellow Sleuthmates,

I fear that some of us may be getting ahead of ourselves a bit. Maybe I missed something, but I don't see a definite connection between DR and Polka Padre. Some things in common, yes. Connected?? Not seeing a certain link here.....JMO
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I agree. Circumstantially one can speculate that PP + DR knew each other but so far...no proof. A great lead to say the least but when at first I read shergal's posting of PP I thought to myself: where does one find these people? and where does it end? there's so many and in such a small geographical area: M Feeney, M Weber, P Meemken, and on and on it goes....I can't remember all of the priests + pedophiles names accused of sexual abuse. The compelling thing is that there are alot of connections -albeit circumstantially, but it does give rise to the argument of a loose network, not necessarily organized for nefarious purposes, but for like minded preferences(euphamistically speaking). So it occurs to me that even if there is only 1 perp actually physically abducting Jacob, there could be others either as accomplices or as 'knowing' sympathizers keeping their own secrets and not revealing others' secrets. It struck me listening to PP's interview on MPR how he seemed so removed from the reality of what he was guilty of and yet, most if not all of these pedophiles seem to have the same demeanor. Disgusting.
 
Interesting. DR used to have the groups he was into and his friends listed on his FB. All gone now
 
Cappuccino said:
Yes, but it is also sensible for a sleuth to realise that a perv priest in a very small town would most likely be a friend or acquaintance with many people in that town. That doesn't make those people "undesirables". That's pure guilt by association, and I have no time for that.
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Um, acquaintances and friends are two totally different things to me. Pervs are undesirables to me. I don't have time for people that accept and excuse pervs.

That is how they have gotten away with their victimizations. People turning their heads to it. Covering it up even. No thank you very much
 
human said:
Um, acquaintances and friends are two totally different things to me. Pervs are undesirables to me. I don't have time for people that accept and excuse pervs.

That is how they have gotten away with their victimizations. People turning their heads to it. Covering it up even. No thank you very much
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There is no evidence that DR is or ever was friends with any pervs. At least, not knowingly.

Guilt by association? No thank you very much, this is not Stalinist Russia.
 
Cappuccino said:
There is no evidence that DR is or ever was friends with any pervs. At least, not knowingly.

Guilt by association? No thank you very much, this is not Stalinist Russia.
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I imagine that LE does look at known associates of people. I don't consider that as Stalinist. I look at that as smart. But of course some of us are not LE so we can pick and choose who we look at because it does not matter.

LE has to be objective and cannot be swayed by emotions or philosophies. They have to look at probabilities and data from institutions such as behavioral units. .
 
cGorg said:
human....wondering how you found this? no matter really- but I looked it up but could not find DR's name in the list of bandmates. is it the picture of the band you are referencing? There is one individual that resembles DR but I cannot be sure.
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Could you find any names? I have been looking.

I just looked up Polka Padre ambassadors and there was this album cover. The one guy does look like DR. But is it?

Joy claims that DR plays in a weekend polka band. Does anyone know the name of this weekend band?
 
marlins said:
Based on research conducted by eileenhawkeye. It appears that the polka festival had a crowd of 600.

"Searchers set up a command post at the nearby Del-Win Entertainment Center, where 600 persons were attending a polka festival at the time Jacob was abducted".

Though 600 isn't a eyepoping crowd, it is notable. There must have been some sort of an advertisement campaign to attract a crowd of that size: bulletins, newspaper ads, radio ads or television ads? But where are these ads? I have searched and searched, but have come up with nothing.
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Is the time frame of the polka festival at the Del-Win confirmed? Was the the polka festival still going on at the time that Jacob was abducted?

Not being from the area, but reading the many articles describing the rural surroundings. Having approximately 600 some odd people driving into the area seems like quite a bit of traffic for that tiny community.

Does anyone know the most likely travel directions to get to the Del-Win? Would it be possible that many of the visitors drove by DR's to get to the Del-Win? Would it be possible for those folks not familiar with the area to drive into DR's driveway mistakenly thinking it was the entranceway or street leading to the Del-Win?
 
Anything is possible with people driving. They may have been lost and turned around i. His driveway, but to me that would be just to back into it a bit and turn around. If you look at the pics, it is obvious that the driveway is a private driveway. The mailbox looks pretty beat up.

I think it is true anywhere that people do not drive down someone's driveway. You don't know if someone will greet you at the other end with vicious dogs or a shotgun.

Thinking of myself, I would always guess that a public place would have a sign, probably a fairly large sign.
 
human said:
Could you find any names? I have been looking.

I just looked up Polka Padre ambassadors and there was this album cover. The one guy does look like DR. But is it?

Joy claims that DR plays in a weekend polka band. Does anyone know the name of this weekend band?
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www.discogs.com/artist/Polka+Padre+And+His+Ambassadors

click on the album then it lists the songs and at the bottom are the credits with the musician's names. PP's name is there but DR's name is not among them. But that's just the album Happy Polka Sounds...I didn't check the other albums
 
JerseyJo said:
Is the time frame of the polka festival at the Del-Win confirmed? Was the the polka festival still going on at the time that Jacob was abducted?

Not being from the area, but reading the many articles describing the rural surroundings. Having approximately 600 some odd people driving into the area seems like quite a bit of traffic for that tiny community.

Does anyone know the most likely travel directions to get to the Del-Win? Would it be possible that many of the visitors drove by DR's to get to the Del-Win? Would it be possible for those folks not familiar with the area to drive into DR's driveway mistakenly thinking it was the entranceway or street leading to the Del-Win?
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I'm the one who found the article saying the polka festival was taking place at the time Jacob was abducted. Of course it's only one article, and it could be wrong, but Jacob was abducted at 9:15 PM so it seems likely to me that it was still happening.

The address of the Del-Win was 195 S 88th Ave,
St Joseph, MN, US if you want to compare to where Rassier lives. I'm not sure of his address offhand.
 
Hmmmm....Wait a second:

The article I found had this line:

"Searchers set up a command post at the nearby Del-Win Entertainment Center, where 600 persons were attending a polka festival at the time Jacob was abducted".
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Okay, it makes sense that a festival of live-music would still be going on at 9:15 PM.

Now, this timeline has:

Oct. 22, 1989: Eleven-year-old Jacob Erwin Wetterling is abducted by a masked gunman about 9:15 p.m. along 91st Avenue, southeast of St. Joseph. Firefighters and 35 officers from the Stearns County Sheriff’s Office and other law enforcement agencies search the area. Two local FBI agents and five from Minneapolis are assigned to the case. A state helicopter with a searchlight searches the nearby woods and fields. A command post is set up at Del-Win Ballroom in St. Joseph. Searches are called off at 3 a.m. until daybreak.
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So the command post was set up on October 22nd...soon after Jacob went missing. Yet the polka festival was happening at the same time? So did they tell everyone the festival was ending early? Was it ending around the time Jacob went missing?

ETA: Also, has there been much focus on the polka festival over the years? We are talking 600 people in town at the same time Jacob was abducted.
 
cGorg said:
www.newspapers.com/newspage/22256609

this article interviews PP and also gives the band member's names(DR not among them). PP's height + weight also given: 6'4", 215 lbs. so a big guy.
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Ugh. From the article.

s. The young priest feels that his involvement in the enter- tainment "helps me in my rela- tionship with other people, es- pecially the young. They just don't see a priest then at the altar--but as one who partici- pates in real life and in the things people enjoy." Father Kapoun says he has never encountered any trouble
 
I have always had a "gut" feeling that the perp that abducted Jacob saw the boys leaving for the Tom Thumb and therefore assumed that they would be returning on the same roadway. Rather than the stalker theory, or someone even seeing the boys at the Tom Thumb.

The perp was waiting for the boys to return...

Possibly someone leaving the Del-Win spotted the boys on there bikes and laid in wait...

Again I'm not familiar with the area...does this make sense logistically?
 
eileenhawkeye said:
Hmmmm....Wait a second:

The article I found had this line:



Okay, it makes sense that a festival of live-music would still be going on at 9:15 PM.

Now, this timeline has:



So the command post was set up on October 22nd...soon after Jacob went missing. Yet the polka festival was happening at the same time? So did they tell everyone the festival was ending early? Was it ending around the time Jacob went missing?

ETA: Also, has there been much focus on the polka festival over the years? We are talking 600 people in town at the same time Jacob was abducted.
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IMO, the polka fest probably would have ended around 6 pm, because it was an all day event. It was Sunday, and people probably would go home for dinner or go out to eat somewhere afterwards. In Oct. in MN it gets dark around 6:30-7, so it would make sense to end it around that time. So by the time LE set up there, i think any attendees would be long gone.

The Del-Win was located just north of DR's farm, so your question of people turning around in his drive by mistake (when leaving) makes perfect sense to me, especially the car that raced in and out in the afternoon. If it was a polka fest, there may have been beer - I went to the Del-Win a couple times for wedding receptions and it was a BYOB (bring your own bottle) kind of place. They did not serve hard liquor. They had water and pop on tap. Not sure if they may have had beer kegs available for a polka fest. But that would tend to increase the possibility of people not from town driving around lost.

To answer your other question, the Del-Win was very easy to get to, right off the main highway. DR's farm was further south on a dead end road, so no one would be passing by his place to get to the polka fest except for those who lived on the dead end.
 
cGorg said:
www.newspapers.com/newspage/22256609

this article interviews PP and also gives the band member's names(DR not among them). PP's height + weight also given: 6'4", 215 lbs. so a big guy.
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This article is from 1972. Looking at the musicians , they have moved on to other cities. Were they around 17 years later or were they gone and Padre had different musicians he was working with?

My guess is that they had moved on.

So who was with the Padre?
 
This article states Kapoun was pastor at the Church of St. Scholastica near New Prague in 1989. Maybe we can find info in papers from New Prague, MN on the Padre's bands. He also had help covering from another pedophile priest, Rev. Joseph Wajda.

http://www.bishop-accountability.or...ernational_PolkaPriest_Kapoun_AND_Wajda_2.htm

I also found another band member, Gary Jasicki, who played with the polka padre. (This site has a LOT of band names and member names.)
"DyVersaCo is fortunate to have an array of second trumpet and sax/clarinet musicians performing with them. Included in this are Gary Jasicki, Mike Cielecki, and Jens Jensen. Gary is an original member of the Jolly Jokers and has also performed with The Polka Padre (Father Kapoun) & The Ambassadors."
http://www.itspolkatime.com/dymeat.html

It loks as if this DyVersaCo band is still playing in 2013 at various casinos in MN.
http://turtlelake.stcroixcasino.com/entertainment/info.php?id=48&bn=Sweetheart+Dance+with+DyVersaCo
 
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