GUILTY MO - Breeann Rodriguez, 3, Senath, 6 August 2011 - #6

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flipflop said:
Just curious, what makes you think that it does not indicate rape/assault???? I feel that the plastic bag may be more helpful as opposed to not being in a plastic bag. JMO I feel LE is not talking to him as he probably stated he wanted a lawyer, therefore, talking to him without one is useless at this time.

Also with LE stating that he "doesnt care to talk to him", makes me believe he did the most horrible things to her. JMO
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What makes me think there was no indication of rape or assault is that LE is specifically saying they don't know what the motive is. The sheriff's department even had one spokesperson, Julie Crowder, who said, "It's all a mystery." http://www.kansascity.com/2011/08/17/3083364/police-motive-unclear-in-death.html

I understand keeping quiet or staying coy until after the funeral, but, why specifically say it's a mystery if they have some idea. Why not just say, "we cant discuss the details at this time." They've clearly completed the exam part of the autopsy by now, given the burial is tomorrow. They probably don't have lab results back, and couldn't possibly have toxicology back, although I doubt that will show anything. He didn't need to drug her to overpower her, and he didn't need to impair her memory. So I'm betting tox is clean.

I'm just making a logical leap. Either
1. There was no sign of sexual assault
Or
2. They couldn't tell because of the degree of decomp.

Assuming 2 is true, I'm not sure lab results will help much. They may find fibers that match his clothing, they may find his hair. I don't know how well DNA would hold up in her fingernail scrapings after 10 days at 90+ temps. I suspect that it would deteriorate pretty fast. Ditto for semen, but I honestly don't know, I'm just speculating. 10 days is a long time. I'm by no means an expert. I don't know how long or well DNA holds up under that kind of exposure.

ETA: they haven't added sexual charges either.
 
Similar case in my area, body was discovered, had been there for 4 months and LE had all they needed. I am no expert either, but from this case I am assuming they can get loads of evidence after 10 days.

greenpalm said:
What makes me think there was no indication of rape or assault is that LE is specifically saying they don't know what the motive is. The sheriff's department even had one spokesperson, Julie Crowder, who said, "It's all a mystery." http://www.kansascity.com/2011/08/17/3083364/police-motive-unclear-in-death.html

I understand keeping quiet or staying coy until after the funeral, but, why specifically say it's a mystery if they have some idea. Why not just say, "we cant discuss the details at this time." They've clearly completed the exam part of the autopsy by now, given the burial is tomorrow. They probably don't have lab results back, and couldn't possibly have toxicology back, although I doubt that will show anything. He didn't need to drug her to overpower her, and he didn't need to impair her memory. So I'm betting tox is clean.

I'm just making a logical leap. Either
1. There was no sign of sexual assault
Or
2. They couldn't tell because of the degree of decomp.

Assuming 2 is true, I'm not sure lab results will help much. They may find fibers that match his clothing, they may find his hair. I don't know how well DNA would hold up in her fingernail scrapings after 10 days at 90+ temps. I suspect that it would deteriorate pretty fast. Ditto for semen, but I honestly don't know, I'm just speculating. 10 days is a long time. I'm by no means an expert. I don't know how long or well DNA holds up under that kind of exposure.

ETA: they haven't added sexual charges either.
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Breeanns celebration is going on at city park now..Doves are suppose to be released. It was gonna start at 6 but got changed to 5. RIP LIL ONE.
 
flipflop said:
Similar case in my area, body was discovered, had been there for 4 months and LE had all they needed. I am no expert either, but from this case I am assuming they can get loads of evidence after 10 days.
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They were able to determine sexual assault or rape after 4 months? I'm specifically referring to evidence that would indicate rape or sexual assault. I know they can prove it's her, and I know they can link him to her body. But how could they tell a decomposed body has been raped? <sorry graphic> I'm not being snarky, I truly don't know how they'd establish that as fact after four months.
 
Re greenpalm post #152 saying:
This is so weird. Interesting that he "hasn't talked to him and doesn't care to.
&#8230;.I'd be in there grilling the guy.
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Green palm, I think lots of people would like to be &#8220;in there grilling the guy&#8221; and/or kicking him in the shins or &#8230;um&#8230;. er &#8230; elsewhere
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As far as police chief not &#8220;talking to him&#8220;

No disrespect to police or sheriff&#8217;s depts., who are likely waaay more familiar w. local geography, local residents and this suspect than other LE involved.
However:
Senath: 3 part-time police protection - officers, w. $4666 monthly payroll for all three in 2007.
2002 -2009: crimes against persons = 0 murder, 0 rape, 0 robbery, 7 assaults
(city-data.com) crimes against property = 1 burglary, 10 thefts, 0 auto theft, 1 arson.

FBI and Mo. Hwy. Patrol are both working this case too. I recall reading that a Spec. Agt. from FBI&#8217;s St. Louis office is there. Imo, even if he himself has never led a child abduction case, he has the collective, institutional experience of FBI HQ available for guidance, assistance, and lab crime work for this case.
Even if Senath police chief had previously been head of NYPD and retired from there to the Bootheel, I doubt Senath PD would have the same experience and financial resources of FBI & Mo. Hwy. Patrol, despite &#8220;working together.&#8221;

I imagine Karnes&#8217; and PD&#8217;s and sheriff&#8217;s most effective role is providing local knowledge to FBI & Mo. Hwy Patrol and other functions we don't know about.

From what I've read, all LE involved are working at a feverish pace in this awful, frightening case.

With many others, hoping & praying for justice for victim, families & all involved.


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Quote by Police Chief:
Per: Missouri Net dot com article & interview dated 08/19/11
Link: ~20 sec. audio embedded in http://www.missourinet.com/2011/08/1...drequez-audio/

Info re Senath PD employees and other employees: 4 full time employees, all in streets & highways, and water, as well as 19 other part time employees, in 2007.
Link: http://www.city-data.com/city/Senath-Missouri.html

Just FYI: also from city-data.com Senath Population in July 2009: 1,566
Land area: 1.91 square miles.
Population density: 821 people per square mile

Dunklin County population in July 2009: 31,039 (50% urban, 50% rural)
Land area: 546 sq. mi.
Population density: 57 people per square mile
 
BeanE posted this quote and link:
Still no motive for killing Breean Rodrequez (AUDIO) AUGUST 19, 2011
Senath Police Chief Omar Karnes is still wondering why a neighbor would brutally kill a 3-year-old girl.
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Re greenpalm post #152 interpreting Police Chief&#8216;s comments:
&#8220;This also implies the preliminary autopsy results do not indicate assault or rape.&#8221;
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green palm, I wrote this before seeing your post 159, explaining more about your thoughts.
I don&#8217;t disagree with your reasoning but just think there could be other possibilities.
Inclined to agree w. you now, but hope it is like flipflop's post 160, where LE got DNA on a body, 4-months missing..
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My speculation re other possible reasons for stmt: &#8220;wondering&#8221; about motive.

1. LE & FBI may not release motive info they already have, before final autopsy & tox. results are complete?

2. Crime lab & prelim. autopsy results have not been shared w. PC Karnes?

3. FBI informed PC Karnes of autopsy/crime lab results showing sexual assault, but requested he not disclose to public? At least for now?

4. LE hopes the unidentified-to-the-public &#8220;3rd piece of evidence&#8221; found with second training wheel will confirm their undisclosed motive-theory, so&#8230;.
LE will not disclose their motive theory, until & unless lab test results confirm it?

5. LE & FBI will not release anything about motive info they have, until judicial procedure begins? I am not aware of anything compelling them to do so.

Hoping & praying with many others for justice for victim, family & all involved.
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Quote by Police Chief:
Per: BeanE&#8217;s post re Missouri Net article & interview dated 08/19/11.
Link: ~20 sec. audio embedded in http://www.missourinet.com/2011/08/1...drequez-audio/
 
I am in agreement with your theory al66pine.

Also, even if her body was in a bag, was her body in the water? Even bagged the water *might* effect a lot of the physical evidence. But I tend to go with they (LE) just are getting their ducks in a row. JMHO
 
al66pine said:
Re greenpalm post #152 saying:
This is so weird. Interesting that he "hasn't talked to him and doesn't care to.
….I'd be in there grilling the guy.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[SBM & BBM.]


Green palm, I think lots of people would like to be “in there grilling the guy” and/or kicking him in the shins or …um…. er … elsewhere
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - ----- - - - - - - -- - - - - -- - - - --
As far as police chief “talking to him“

No disrespect to police or sheriff’s depts., who are likely waaay more familiar w. local geography, local residents and this suspect than other LE involved.
However:
Senath: 3 part-time police protection - officers, w. $4666 monthly payroll for all three in 2007.
2002 -2009: crimes against persons = 0 murder, 0 rape, 0 robbery, 7 assaults
(city-data.com) crimes against property = 1 burglary, 10 thefts, 0 auto theft, 1 arson.

FBI and Mo. Hwy. Patrol are both working this case too. I recall reading that a Spec. Agt. from FBI’s St. Louis office is there. Imo, even if he himself has never led a child abduction case, he has the collective, institutional experience of FBI HQ available for guidance, assistance, and lab crime work for this case.
Even if Senath police chief had previously been head of NYPD and retired from there to the Bootheel, I doubt Senath PD would have the same experience and financial resources of FBI & Mo. Hwy. Patrol, despite “working together.”

I imagine Karnes’ and PD’s and sheriff’s most effective role is providing local knowledge to FBI & Mo. Hwy Patrol and other functions we don't know about.

From what I've read, all LE involved are working at a feverish pace in this awful, frightening case.

With many others, hoping & praying for justice for victim, families & all involved.


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Quote by Police Chief:
Per: Missouri Net dot com article & interview dated 08/19/11
Link: ~20 sec. audio embedded in http://www.missourinet.com/2011/08/1...drequez-audio/

Info re Senath PD employees and other employees: 4 full time employees, all in streets & highways, and water, as well as 19 other part time employees, in 2007.
Link: http://www.city-data.com/city/Senath-Missouri.html

Just FYI: also from city-data.com Senath Population in July 2009: 1,566
Land area: 1.91 square miles.
Population density: 821 people per square mile

Dunklin County population in July 2009: 31,039 (50% urban, 50% rural)
Land area: 546 sq. mi.
Population density: 57 people per square mile
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This is like the small town i'm from, I would be nervous as he77 if we had a major crime. I like the officers we have, but they would not have the experience to handle anything of this nature. They shouldn't have too :( although it could happen anywhere.

We actually had a house fire that killed a father and his 8 yr old son while mom was working, not a crime, but devastating. This happened early morning, the day before school started back. :(
 
A lot of good suggestions & that is why I like being here!

Just throwing something else into to the mix for possible food for thought; although there was no charges laid in relation to a sexual assault...greenpalm you made me think, everyone is wondering, I am sure the press asked this question a million times...if there was no evidence of sexual assault why not clear the air (that wouldn't hamper their case if there is no evidence of that)?

I hate when LE makes statements, that leave you more confused then what you already were. Do they take courses in giving cryptic sentences or maybe I analysis things too much? I am not sure I would hazard a guess at this point. The bomb thing has me still stunned.

I am glad the family is receiving the love & support from their town.
 
Even if you knew that there WERE signs of sexual abuse, you still might ask out loud "WHY would someone kill a 3 yr old neighborhood child?" It is still a valid question, in spite of any sexual motives present. imoo
 
http://youtu.be/2ly5DJP--6A

I so apologize as I am new to Websleuths. I don't know how to do links yet so I don't think this is going to work; I did try to copy and paste--this is the service for BreeAnn where the doves were released. If anyone wants to view it, go to Youtube and type in Breeann Rodriguez and it will post.
 
katydid23 said:
Even if you knew that there WERE signs of sexual abuse, you still might ask out loud "WHY would someone kill a 3 yr old neighborhood child?" It is still a valid question, in spite of any sexual motives present. imoo
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Exactly, and I am assuming that is the essence of the discussion of tossing around possibilities & any or none could be possible at this point IMO. :blowkiss:
 
don_m said:
According to a post on topix,,,so take it with a big grain of salt,,
http://www.dddnews.com/story/1138909.html
This GDM is supposed to be SM's nephew
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That is really interesting in more ways than one. :innocent:

The article doesn't reference if this guy was going with the mother, but...how many cases to we see day after day the boyfriend or step-father snaps?

It is unfortunately something I hear about too frequently & it made me wonder why (in this case) Mom & kids were away? IIRC the Mom & the teen were away together, the two other kids stayed at her sisters. I know in the last thread we wondered why, I don't think in the press there was an answer given why, was there? My DH is a hands-on-dad; I thought it strange, why the younger two (7 to 9ish IIRC), didn't say with Dad? IDK I kind of wiped out in my mind physical abuse as there seemed to be no history, no friends, neighbors have come out to say anything. Of course, now we learn of the bomb threats.:eek: Perhaps the Mom saw/knew something from experience & that is why they went somewhere vs. just a vacations without him. She may have thought he was ready to snap & she took measures for her self & the kids to get out of dodge and / or he needed a break???

So many possibilities :banghead:
 
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