MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #10

[W8nC]

Jodibug or W8nC, would you mind posting a comment on the page with the statement about StL? Challenge them on the true source of that info, as you were both witnesses to the courtroom testimony that they claim was the source.

GREAT IDEA! I'm on it.....

 

[danni]

Hmm.. "we were supposed to do it together" Two holes dug ... I wonder if TR and Alyssa had a suicide pact and TR backed out, making Alyssa mad and EO did something to Alyssa to set her off? TOTALLY off the top of my head, but with this case, you never know.

The highway partol investigator said yesterday during testimony that Elizabeth had done NOTHING to provoke Alyssa into doing this. Alyssa just wanted to know what if felt like. They did say during test. that one of the graves was dug FOR Elizabeth and the other for someone else but before the investigator could get the information out about the other person who the whole was dug for he was cut off and they said that testimony would have to wait for the adult hearing!

At least thats what the news said yesterday while watching KRCG at lunch time (sorry no link it was on tv that I seen it).

 

[Sillybilly]

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[droptoplesabre]

URGENT !!

www.klaasKids.org/pg-truckerTV.htm

Marc Klaas and KlaasKids desperately needs help NOW from each and every Websleuther to support Trucker TV through America. This could be the single most important thing any of us can ever do for missing children.

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may i ask what trucker TV is?

 

[vjlaw]

I have had some experience with a friends child and we were instructed to call 911. It is not safe to have any delay. After emergency services have ressponded the situation would be assessed and go from there. They would most likely take her into the area hospital and then Pathways would make arrangements for transfers and such after the party was secured.

I am not from the area but I don't think the protocol would differ that much. Eliminating risk is the first priority and a 2 hour car ride is a high risk situation for harm as well as a flight risk. Even with the child safety locks on as someone suggested there are other ways. Think of how quickly the steering wheel could be grabbed and slammed into a wall or another vehicle. The driver attacked and distracted even momentarily. Unless she was tied up and had two-three people watching her every move exclusively it would not be safe.

I have no experience in this area, but was just going by the info about Pathways someone had posted. They have 24 hr emergency and a referral for hospitals. If she was already under the care of Pathways, if that was me living here I would not call 911 for an ambulance to nowhere I would call Pathways for the referral. No one knows how she was acting.

 

[Flashforward]

Hmm.. I'm getting a lot of warnings from that link.

HERE IS WHAT KMIZ SAID

It took less than two hours to certify Alyssa Bustamante as an adult in the case, the events of her life in the last two decades may have shaped her into what prosecutors now call a cold-blooded killer.



Shortly after Elizabeth's body was found last month, several of our sources pointed the finger at Alyssa.



Since that time, ABC 17 News has been looking into Bustamante's background and talking to people who know her.



Much of what we found came out in court during the certification hearing Wednesday and may provide the basis of the case against Alyssa.



We talked to one of Alyssa's best friends Kimberly Saunders.



"When I first met Alyssa I've got pictures of her in blue jeans, bright shirts, and happy and smiling. Now the pictures I see are gloomy, dark and upset," says Saunders.



The girls met two years ago through their Cole County church.



At the time, Alyssa was living with her grandparents at a home next door to Elizabeth Olten's family.



Alyssa has spent more than half her life living with her grandparents.



Kim says in eighth or ninth grade, she started noticing Alyssa change, becoming more destructive.



A similar claim was echoed in the courtroom Wednesday.



A witness said when Alyssa was in eighth grade, she tried to kill herself by cutting her wrists.



Something Kim knew about.



"One night, I was staying at her house and she came out and she said she liked the feeling of blood on her hands when she cut her wrists because she said it made her feel better," says Kim.



Alyssa spent ten days at the Mid-Missouri Mental Health Center in Columbia for the suicide attempt.



When she was released, she was put on Prozac and the A and B student started regular counseling in school and at home with a national treatment center called Pathways, according to testimony.



In court documents, counselors describe Alyssa as "gifted", "clever" and someone with a "high IQ" who was "bored at school".



They also tell a story of supportive grandparents who would take away privileges when Alyssa would get in trouble.



"Her grandma tried to do everything to take care of her, let her know people love her," says Kim.



But Kim also says its love that Alyssa never thought she had.



"She always told me how much she wanted a mom and dad and she just felt alone."



Alyssa's mother didn't take care of her; we found her father is serving ten years in prison on assault charges.



Kim tells me she thinks that this feeling of abandonment is what made Alyssa spiral out of control.



ABC 17 News found this video posted by Alyssa on her You-Tube account a year ago where she touches an electric fence and then encourages her younger twin brothers to do the same.



That video which also lists her hobby as "killing people" has since been removed from the internet.



And we found tweets that post her feelings years ago, all the way up to just a few days before the alleged murder saying "bad decisions make great stories" and "this is all I want in life, a reason for all that pain".



The tweets have since been deleted.



And even with these signs of depression and two years of treatment, therapists note in their reports that they couldn't pinpoint what may have possibly caused such a heinous crime.



Neither could her best friend.



"When I heard about it, I teared up because that was my best friend. She was really close to me. She meant a lot to me, but I never thought Alyssa would do something like that.



And what scares her more?



Kim says it could have been her.



It's a feeling shared by other students at Jefferson City High School.



"I feel weird that I know her. I'm glad I didn't know her recently. It could have been me, it could have been any of us," says Jefferson City High School student Cierra Seaman.



But prosecutors say instead it was Elizabeth Olten, a nine year old girl, whose family says loved caring for animals.



Alyssa's friend Kim says she just wants to see Alyssa get help.



For now, Alyssa is in Cole County custody.



We talked to Sheriff Greg White and he tells us they will do everything they can to protect Alyssa while she is behind bars.



Alyssa's grandparents, along with her mother were at today's court hearing, but no one wanted to talk to us.

 

[Jodibug]

EO did something to Alyssa to set her off? TOTALLY off the top of my head, but with this case, you never know.

No, Officer Rice of the MSHP testified that Alyssa told him that there was no provocation on Elizabeth's part at all. Elizabeth did not do anything to Alyssa.

 

[bigflaw]

About this electrocution thing. It is an indication of nothing more than kids being stupid. Go to YouTube and look up electrocuted, you will see hundreds of videos including some that have adults WITH children doing this. Stupid? Yes. Indicative of a psychological problem? No. Hell, after watching these videos, I would probably do it.

 

[hellinor]

"One night, I was staying at her house and she came out and she said she liked the feeling of blood on her hands when she cut her wrists because she said it made her feel better," says Kim.
"Her grandma tried to do everything to take care of her, let her know people love her," says Kim.

But Kim also says its love that Alyssa never thought she had.

"She always told me how much she wanted a mom and dad and she just felt alone."
Kim tells me she thinks that this feeling of abandonment is what made Alyssa spiral out of control.

This is so incredibly sad. WHY do people have children they dont want???

 

[Raebie]

I mean these kids didn't just become this way over night. The one girl (can't remember if it was CR/TR or another girl) had the photos of her holding the gun to her head, and the pictures of her with "blood" all over her while standing in the shower with nothing but a bra and underware on for at least a year.

What?? Where were these posted?

 

[vjlaw]

This is so incredibly sad. WHY do people have children they dont want???

Because she had her when she was 15. Hardly old enough to know what being a mom means.

 

[Raebie]

About this electrocution thing. It is an indication of nothing more than kids being stupid. Go to YouTube and look up electrocuted, you will see hundreds of videos including some that have adults WITH children doing this. Stupid? Yes. Indicative of a psychological problem? No. Hell, after watching these videos, I would probably do it.

Personally, I've never understood the hoopla over this video. The boys were obviously laughing and playing along. Looked to me like they were just acting goofy.

 

[W8nC]

Well, isn't that interesting.......

The sentence about going to St Louis is not in the KRCG story now.

 

[W8nC]

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=379297

 

[danni]

What?? Where were these posted?

It was on Myspace!

 

[Capri]

It was SOOO cold!! When I got to my car, I cranked the heat up to max. Made it very hard to concentrate, being cold.

The statement about going to St L is on KRCG's website now...
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=379297

This is on the connectedmissouri.com site now:


A previous version of this story referenced Alyssa Bustamante being admitted to Hawthorn Children's Psychiatric Hospital on Wednesday, Oct. 21, that date was referenced during court testimony; however, juvenile court officials clarified that date to Saturday, Oct. 24.

 

[Raebie]

That makes more sense. Sent for evaluation. Thanks for clarifying this.

 

[lajr56]

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=379297

This has been added:

>snipped<

"Saturday, Oct. 24

Bustamante was taken to a Hawthorn's Children's Psychiatric Hospital to be evaluated and monitored. Court officials said they took her to the hospital because Bustamante made statements about harming herself.

A previous version of this story referenced Alyssa Bustamante being admitted to Hawthorn Children's Psychiatric Hospital on Wednesday, Oct. 21, that date was referenced during court testimony; however, juvenile court officials clarified that date to Saturday, Oct. 24."

 

[Raebie]

It was on Myspace!

I saw that one. It wasn't a gun, it was her fingers and you could only see her from the waist up.

If that's the one you're talking about.

 

[W8nC]

Jodibug or W8nC, would you mind posting a comment on the page with the statement about StL? Challenge them on the true source of that info, as you were both witnesses to the courtroom testimony that they claim was the source.

DalGal gets credit for getting the KRCG story corrected. No doubt, people on all the forums are all over that "new info", just like we were, trying to fit it in with what we already knew.....and it didn't fit....

A BIG THANK YOU TO DALGAL !!!