MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #4

[lawlady84]

:Welcome-12-june: (back) Kimster! :woohoo:

 

[Jules71]

:banghead: Doooh! good point - any idea how to get more of this country's parents enrolled? Unfortunately, lots of parent are absence and grandparents often are not equiped to handle raising kids in this day and age.

There will always be bad parents, absent parents, dysfunctional families, etc. What we need to figure out is what can WE do to help these kids!

 

[Velouria]

There is currently a program. It's called PARENTING. However, as you well know, not every parent is enrolled.

Trino, I think we need that on a bumper sticker.

 

[Kimster]

Ynotdivein:

I'm glad you dove! :wink:

 

[CementPond]

Ooops duplicate. Sorry.

 

[CementPond]

Yeah, a little OT but, I just got done reading a case (posted today) of a 15 year old Florida buy who just stabbed his 14 year old brother for not turning down the music he was listening to. The boy died.

Anyway, both their names are in the paper and it is still unknown whether or not the boy will be tried as an adult of juvenile. So, why is his name in the paper and yet they STILL won't release AB's name?

 

[Kimster]

Hi Calamity Jane!!!

(Our welcoming committee is doing triple time right now! Great to see all the new members!)

 

[*~Aimee~*]

Yeah, a little OT but, I just got done reading a case of a 15 year old Florida buy who just stabbed his 14 year old brother for not turning down the music he was listening to. The boy died.

Anyway, both their names are in the paper and it is still unknown whether or not the boy will be tried as an adult of juvenile. So, why is his name in the paper and yet they STILL won't release AB's name?

is he being tried as a adult? Maybe they already decided to do that. After they decide to try this 15yo as a adult I bet the name will be out.​

ETA: not sure since they have not decided on what to do with him. I guess different states do different things??
http://www.justnews.com/news/21431369/detail.html

 

[Prof]

No it is NOT ok to post that here. I deleted the directions on exactly which post it was on the other site (you guys know better than that considering the perp is a minor and it has not been determined if they will be prosecuted as an adult AT THIS TIME). You can say guys go read the comments on this article, but do not direct anyone to a comment that names this person yet!

Thanks Animal! Just a fyi, I did not mean to imply that it is okay to post a link to a comment that names the perp....

When I stated "I think it will end up on national media sooner than the hearing.... It seems that it's okay to report as long as it is stated "this information is from multiple sources, but LE will not confirm" I meant that it appears that rumors seem to be "okay" to report by the media these days... This week I don't know how many times I heard the statement "LE has not confirmed this."

 

[CementPond]

They said:

"Prosecutors said no decision has been made on whether the teen will be charged as a juvenile or adult, and no formal charges have been filed yet."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570145,00.html?test=latestnews

is he being tried as a adult? Maybe they already decided to do that. After they decide to try this 15yo as a adult I bet the name will be out.​

 

[gliving]

If her attorney Mr. Valentine is saying she won't get a fair trial once her name is revealed, then how does anyone get a fair trial?

 

[Kimster]

Tlcox,

I can't imagine having a talk like that with my 9 year old child! When my boys were that age, I wanted them to think about playing with puppies and told them the dangers of playing near the river......not this! My heart goes out to you parents with young kids!

BTW, my 18 yo is following this case with me via NG and he is not all that surprised. I think that gives me an even worse chill down my spine...It's bad out there for kids right now!

 

[petresq_algc]

In recent months I have given alot of thought to our children and how we are failing them as a nation, as a society. Kids are bombarded with negative and conflicting messages by the media and the adults arround them.

Look this way, don't look that way.
Act like these kids and be cool, act approriately and be bulied and ridiculed.
TV video games full of blood gore, sex, etc.

I wish there were some way that we could identify at risk kids such as those whose parents are incarcerated, whose home lives are unstable, who have witnessed repeated violence in the home, etc. and get them into counseling, conflict resolution, anger management, etc. RIGHT AWAY. Before the behaviors start.

I am so tired of reading about these kids AFTER they have screwed up their own and others lives irrevocably. I want there to be some sort of national dialogue about our kids and how to keep them from getting to this sad end. Every time one of these cases comes up we all rush to put our $.02 in there about what the punishment should be, the who and the why blah blah blah.

Too bad we can't get this country to be more concerned with prevention than punishment after the fact.

My daughter informed me a couple of yrs. ago that a friend of her's from school was really depressed. When she shared the details of this girl's situation, I just cried. To make a long story short - she has never met her father, mother has been in prison for yrs. and she lives with her disabled grandmother. Since then, I've gotten to know this girl by picking her up twice a month and just taking the girls out for the day...sometimes a manicure and a movie, sometimes a trip to the mall or the beach.

I wish that I could protect her and heal her heart from everything that she has been through. I don't know what the solution is, but IMO we can all try to help one child in our area. It never hurts to try, no matter how small the effort.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Read the comments on the below link and if those comments have any element of truth, I believe this is why LE is not releasing her name for there would be public outrage and she and her family may not be safe...KWIM?? :furious:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...rold_girl.html


If those statements hold truth, this girl is evil and demented but not demented enough to have a diminished capacity defense and she should be tried as an adult. JMHO

 

[Kimster]

SDW,

 

[*~Aimee~*]

Read the comments on the below link and if those comments have any element of truth, I believe this is why LE is not releasing her name for there would be public outrage and she and her family may not be safe...KWIM?? :furious:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...rold_girl.html


If those statements hold truth, this girl is evil and demented but not demented enough to have a diminished capacity defense and she should be tried as an adult. JMHO

link does not work?? :waitasec:​

 

[Kimster]

If her attorney Mr. Valentine is saying she won't get a fair trial once her name is revealed, then how does anyone get a fair trial?

I'm sure he would love to keep her name out of the media because he knows as well as we do that this case is going to explode when the facts are out there for all the world to see. I think that is why NG is all over it now, so she is first in line.

 

[KAE]

Read the comments on the below link and if those comments have any element of truth, I believe this is why LE is not releasing her name for there would be public outrage and she and her family may not be safe...KWIM?? :furious:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...rold_girl.html


If those statements hold truth, this girl is evil and demented but not demented enough to have a diminished capacity defense and she should be tried as an adult. JMHO

The link brings up "The content you're looking for is temporarily unavailable."

Probably just as well.

 

[Kimster]

My daughter informed me a couple of yrs. ago that a friend of her's from school was really depressed. When she shared the details of this girl's situation, I just cried. To make a long story short - she has never met her father, mother has been in prison for yrs. and she lives with her disabled grandmother. Since then, I've gotten to know this girl by picking her up twice a month and just taking the girls out for the day...sometimes a manicure and a movie, sometimes a trip to the mall or the beach.

I wish that I could protect her and heal her heart from everything that she has been through. I don't know what the solution is, but IMO we can all try to help one child in our area. It never hurts to try, no matter how small the effort.

Keep doing what you are doing! This little girl will always remember that in someone's eyes she had value. Girls need that more than men need sex, IMO.

 

[Velouria]

If her attorney Mr. Valentine is saying she won't get a fair trial once her name is revealed, then how does anyone get a fair trial?

Well, if your name is Casey Anthony, you simply have your defense team appear on every available media outlet and complain that you're receiving too much publicity to get a fair trial.

But in this girl's case, I honestly think they should go with a bench trial.