MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024

[Chimera]

She says she broke into the home. There are pictures showing that someone removed a screen from a front-facing basement window. She says she broke a basement window and went in, then up to the main house and then found a body on the "back porch."

This DM article purports to show that porch, btw:

3 men mysteriously found dead in pal's yard 'may have taken drugs'

Three Kansas City Chiefs fans who were mysteriously found dead in their friend's backyard may have taken drugs - but cops are still waiting for the toxicology report.

www.dailymail.co.uk

DM got the pictures from a real estate listing and it does appear to be the right house.

In the early articles, you can see the screen I mention. I have no reason to disbelieve the girlfriend.

Bbm.
I think this is where the massive concern and questions from the families is coming from ?
They spent some time calling and texting for the deceased men's whereabouts before she felt she need to force an entrance ?
Conversely, they could have called LE for a welfare check , so IDK.
How sad that she had to be the one to find the first body.
Ghastly. A memory that will linger forever.

I do not blame the families for overreacting, if that is what's happening ?
I also don't blame them for thinking they're not being told the full & absolute truth.
They are in pain !
Omo.

 

[arielilane]

1st that Ive seen of these shirts. Hope the families will get answers to all their questions soon. moo

@KCTV5
The attorney of the man who lived in the home where three dead bodies were found is sharing their side of the story after backlash on social media.



“Then in the early morning hours, around 2 a.m., he believes, he got sleepy and said, I’m going to crash on the couch,” Picerno said. “He said goodbye to his buddies, and he thought that they left out the front door.”

Picerno said the fifth man, who has not been identified by police, left about an hour before Willis went to the couch.

Questions remain as authorities continue investigation into death of 3 Northland men

The attorney of the man who lived in the home where three dead bodies were found is sharing their side of the story after backlash on social media.

www.kctv5.com

 

[SMK777]

1st that Ive seen of these shirts. Hope the families will get answers to all their questions soon. moo

@KCTV5
The attorney of the man who lived in the home where three dead bodies were found is sharing their side of the story after backlash on social media.

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“Then in the early morning hours, around 2 a.m., he believes, he got sleepy and said, I’m going to crash on the couch,” Picerno said. “He said goodbye to his buddies, and he thought that they left out the front door.”

Picerno said the fifth man, who has not been identified by police, left about an hour before Willis went to the couch.

Questions remain as authorities continue investigation into death of 3 Northland men

The attorney of the man who lived in the home where three dead bodies were found is sharing their side of the story after backlash on social media.

www.kctv5.com

“Justice for” implies that someone other than the 3 was at fault.
That may well be the case.
However, if in the end it’s proven that it was their own choice and responsibility, then it’s a medical issue and no justice needed.
We will know more when the medical examiner speaks.
Hope it’s soon…..

 

[10ofRods]

Full toxicology can take quite a while. 4-6 weeks or longer. Sometimes those tests necessitate other tests.

 

[Here_I_Am]

So to summarize everything I've read, none of which looks great upon the homeowner.The fact that his attorney feels the need to have a specific excuse for each thing stands out.

• He went to bed in his own home while letting three of his friends just hang out on their own
• He doesn't notice the bodies of his three buddies in the backyard for two days, but excuses it by saying he worked from home both days due to the weather
• He doesn't notice the cars of two of his friends in front of his house for two days, also presumably because he was working from home. But then throws in the bizarre claims he wouldn't have thought anything of it if he had noticed two of his friends left their cars in front of his house for two days.
• He doesn't see a social media direct message from a loved one of his friends about their whereabouts
• He doesn't hear people who tried to knock on his door or ring his doorbell, which he excuses because he wears headphones while working
• From what I can tell, he didn't even notice when the fiancee of one of the victims was snooping around (or even inside) his home looking for her partner. Only came out when the cops arrived (?).

 

[SMK777]

So to summarize everything I've read, none of which looks great upon the homeowner.The fact that his attorney feels the need to have a specific excuse for each thing stands out.

• He went to bed in his own home while letting three of his friends just hang out on their own
• He doesn't notice the bodies of his three buddies in the backyard for two days, but excuses it by saying he worked from home both days due to the weather
• He doesn't notice the cars of two of his friends in front of his house for two days, also presumably because he was working from home. But then throws in the bizarre claims he wouldn't have thought anything of it if he had noticed two of his friends left their cars in front of his house for two days.
• He doesn't see a social media direct message from a loved one of his friends about their whereabouts
• He doesn't hear people who tried to knock on his door or ring his doorbell, which he excuses because he wears headphones while working
• From what I can tell, he didn't even notice when the fiancee of one of the victims was snooping around (or even inside) his home looking for her partner. Only came out when the cops arrived (?).

Either these things will prove to LE to be evidence of some kind of culpability requiring charges, or there are reasonable explanations which satisfy investigators.

Until the medical examiner and law enforcement make further statements, we can only speculate. Infuriating.

Good summary.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

For clarity, @Here_I_Am , the resident is a renter, NOT the homeowner. Established early in the thread. MOO

 

[gitana1]

So to summarize everything I've read, none of which looks great upon the homeowner.The fact that his attorney feels the need to have a specific excuse for each thing stands out.

• He went to bed in his own home while letting three of his friends just hang out on their own
• He doesn't notice the bodies of his three buddies in the backyard for two days, but excuses it by saying he worked from home both days due to the weather
• He doesn't notice the cars of two of his friends in front of his house for two days, also presumably because he was working from home. But then throws in the bizarre claims he wouldn't have thought anything of it if he had noticed two of his friends left their cars in front of his house for two days.
• He doesn't see a social media direct message from a loved one of his friends about their whereabouts
• He doesn't hear people who tried to knock on his door or ring his doorbell, which he excuses because he wears headphones while working
• From what I can tell, he didn't even notice when the fiancee of one of the victims was snooping around (or even inside) his home looking for her partner. Only came out when the cops arrived (?).

Question: Didn’t the family indicate they knew he had seen their social media messages somehow, before the police went there?

 

[MyBelle]

She says she broke into the home. There are pictures showing that someone removed a screen from a front-facing basement window. She says she broke a basement window and went in, then up to the main house and then found a body on the "back porch."

This DM article purports to show that porch, btw:

3 men mysteriously found dead in pal's yard 'may have taken drugs'

Three Kansas City Chiefs fans who were mysteriously found dead in their friend's backyard may have taken drugs - but cops are still waiting for the toxicology report.

www.dailymail.co.uk

DM got the pictures from a real estate listing and it does appear to be the right house.

In the early articles, you can see the screen I mention. I have no reason to disbelieve the girlfriend.

BBM. The house appears to be a tri-level. From your article, it seems the occupant of the house knew the girlfriend was inside. Did he know she had broken a basement window to get in? I doubt it.

The photo of the window in your link--with the screen next to it-- is a window into the side-load garage, not the basement. The basement would be under the part of the house where the front doors/living room are located, and I've not seen any photos of that side of the house.

I find it very troubling that the woman broke into the home's basement window late night. If there was no answer to her knock at the door, she should have called police to come do a well-being check.

Because of her illegal action, I think it is very possible she knew the three men left, purchased drugs and returned to gather there because they wanted to continue their "party." If they were outside, it was likely because even legal weed stinks to high heaven and the home's lease may have said no smoking. If their weed was laced with another drug, they didn't purchase it from a dispensary.

I think this case is still an on-going investigation because LE is trying to find the source of the drugs that killed the three men.

JMO

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[Keane]

Question: Didn’t the family indicate they knew he had seen their social media messages somehow, before the police went there?

The family says the messages showed as read, but JW says he did not see them.

There was significant discussion on this thread about FB Messenger and other apps which depending on one's settings can show items as read even if they have not been.

 

[musicaljoke]

That is true !
Except, according to his atty., what if he escorted them to the front door and bid them goodbye ?
Omo.

It is not likely true that he escorted them to the front door. Had he done so, they would not have been found in the back yard. It's more likely, but still somewhat unreasonable, that he didn't escort them anywhere and that they let themselves out by the back door.

 

[Keane]

I'm still trying to figure out how they got into the backyard if he let them out the front, considering the fencing and the gate(s). Did they jump the fence?

 

[neesaki]

Question: Didn’t the family indicate they knew he had seen their social media messages somehow, before the police went there?

Also, why is he denying they called / texted his phone?

 

[SMK777]

BBM. The house appears to be a tri-level. From your article, it seems the occupant of the house knew the girlfriend was inside. Did he know she had broken a basement window to get in? I doubt it.

The photo of the window in your link--with the screen next to it-- is a window into the side-load garage, not the basement. The basement would be under the part of the house where the front doors/living room are located, and I've not seen any photos of that side of the house.

I find it very troubling that the woman broke into the home's basement window late night. If there was no answer to her knock at the door, she should have called police to come do a well-being check.

Because of her illegal action, I think it is very possible she knew the three men left, purchased drugs and returned to gather there because they wanted to continue their "party." If they were outside, it was likely because even legal weed stinks to high heaven and the home's lease may have said no smoking. If their weed was laced with another drug, they didn't purchase it from a dispensary.

I think this case is still an on-going investigation because LE is trying to find the source of the drugs that killed the three men.

JMO

Laced Weed: Marijuana Laced With LSD, Coke & Heroin

Marijuana bought illicitly can be laced with psychoactive drugs or plant materials to weigh it down. Know and inspect what is in weed before using it.

americanaddictioncenters.org

Lacing is a very common practice for some drugs, particularly drugs like cocaine that are often laced with other substances to bulk up the amount of the original product and gain more profits...

...As cannabis products become legalized for medicinal purposes, and even recreational purposes in some states, there will be specific regulations regarding the quality of the substance that is legally marketed. Thus, buying laced weed is far more likely to occur when an individual buys the drug from an illicit source.

All very interesting and definitely food for thought.

 

[Keane]

Also, why is he denying they called / texted his phone?

Yeah, that seems odd. Even if he had the phone on Do Not Disturb or whatever, he was supposedly working at home the Monday and Tuesday. I would be surprised if he kept his phone off or on DND for 2+ days.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Yeah, that seems odd. Even if he had the phone on Do Not Disturb or whatever, he was supposedly working at home the Monday and Tuesday. I would be surprised if he kept his phone off or on DND for 2+ days.

Extensive discussion upthread about how it is possible to unintentionally not see some messages, especially if they are facebook messages from folks who are not in friends group.

Or message notifications were seen but not the full messages. MOO

 

[Keane]

Extensive discussion upthread about how it is possible to unintentionally not see some messages, especially if they are facebook messages from folks who are not in friends group.

Or message notifications were seen but not the full messages. MOO

I wasn't talking about FB messages, which I did discuss in a previous post, saying basically what you just did.

This time I was talking about texts and phone calls.

 

[Chimera]

It is not likely true that he escorted them to the front door. Had he done so, they would not have been found in the back yard. It's more likely, but still somewhat unreasonable, that he didn't escort them anywhere and that they let themselves out by the back door.

It sounds like he may have escorted them out the front door, per his legal counsel.
Who knows, though ?
It's difficult to pin anything down.
Omo.

 

[December]

I am just going to ignore JW's lawyer because I am not going to accuse JW of anything, but...

I can think of a couple of ways it could be true the friends and family sent multiple messages yet also true when JW says he only saw one. It's basic phone stuff, so i am not going to be specific.

What i am not sure of is the part where the messages were marked as read. This may be a phone thing that idk. But, the most likely explanation is someone just swiped through them quickly without reading them OR JW really did not get a torrent of messages because reasons even though the messages were sent (although i think those things would not say the message was read, but i am not sure).

It says cars (plural) were there. They did not uber. (I think if uber or similar was involved, that might be mentioned by now) Imo, i don't even think they carpooled because imo i think they all came from different locations and all planned to go to different locations afterwards.

Man #5, it is possible that he can at least say what time (approximately) the people arrived which might help figure out how long they were there and alive. So, i don't need to know his lifestory, but i hope he can help the police give some kind of reasonable explanation to the deceased men's families. It is possible he could some idea where those guys initially parked to know if their cars were found in a different location.

I am saying this because what if one or more of the guys who owned those cars moved them for some reason (left and came back, for example). Idk why this would happen or even if it did happen, but people do this sometimes for all kinds of reasons.

This is just my opinion, but i think the fiancee who broke in and found the first deceased man was still there when the police arrived. I just don't see any reason for her to leave... Maybe she left the house, but i have a feeling she was still nearby. She would want to know asap what happened to her fiance, and staying at least in close proximity would be the fastest way to learn this. So, she might have seen JW greet this police, this may be why part of the story is that he was in his boxers, etc.

It's interesting he apparently did not hear her, but he heard the cops. Because it doesn't sound like there was a delay in opening the door for the police. But, there could be an explanation for that.

What i don't get in the slightest is the idea these men were somehow trapped in the backyard. Okay, we will say JW is far from the door to the "porch" and guy 5 says he already left. Well, i don't care, three grown men (two of whom worked in construction) can escape a backyard even with a fence. There's a shed and 2 trees in the corner of the fence and the neighbor's house is on the other side. Unless they were physically incapable of movement, they would have gotten out, imo.

Also, where are their phones? One article says one guy left his coat in the house. Okay, what about the other two guys' coats... Did they have coats? But, mostly, what about their phones? Because you know people were calling, texting, messaging them if they were going so far as to go to JW's house. Were their phones in their pockets or outside somewhere? Because if they were in the house, they would have been making all sorts of noise.

And if they had their phones, they could have called friends or family (or uber or 911) to help them out unless they just immediately all fell unconscious for some reason. Every explanation i have seen kind of works if it had just been one guy, but three?

Eta: JW had been friends with at least two guys for 20 years. So, i can see why he was hanging out with them.

 

[Chimera]

The most baffling fact , imo, is how did all three of them succumb ?
The families of the three men need answers, and I'm not going to judge anyone who is experiencing grief ... and as of now -- very few answers !
Omo.