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OT but General Harold Greene was also buried today. He was killed in combat in Afghanistan. The White House did not send any delegates to his funeral and there hasn't been much coverage.

U.S. Army Major General Harold Greene was buried today at Arlington National Cemetery with full military honors, including a caisson, two escort platoons, casket team, firing party, colors team, and a caparisoned horse.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/u-s-army-major-general-harold-greene-laid-rest-n180946
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DebinGA said:
The WaPo hit piece provided the first-middle-last name of both DW and his ex-wife. Why, other than to help vigilantes locate and harm/harass them and make news?

The WaPo also wrote this: " There was a struggle over Wilson’s gun, which was fired once inside the car, [St Louis Police Chief] Belmar said. The only person to fire the gun was Wilson, he said."

I'm certain the bolded part is a provable lie, in that Belmar didn't say that.
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What makes you think that Belmar didn't
say that? Do you have proof that this is a "provable lie"?
 
Hi guys!

you all blew out my wrists! This carpel stuff hurts!

My goodness the funeral is rivaling Michael Jacksons! A contributer to society for sure .

The last thing we know about him, for fact, is , that 10 minutes befrore the tragic dealth he just rapped up committing a violent felony..............

Media keeps saying he was on to "college" ......he was heading to a 6 month class to fix air conditioners....

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/19/key-figures-in-the-michael-brown-shooting/
 
DebinGA said:
The WaPo hit piece provided the first-middle-last name of both DW and his ex-wife. Why, other than to help vigilantes locate and harm/harass them and make news?

The WaPo also wrote this: " There was a struggle over Wilson’s gun, which was fired once inside the car, [St Louis Police Chief] Belmar said. The only person to fire the gun was Wilson, he said."

I'm certain the bolded part is a provable lie, in that Belmar didn't say that.
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I don't think it's a lie...just b/c it's alledged that the gun went off during a struggle, doesn't mean MB fired it :dunno: especially IMO, if MB had been able to "fire the gun" I'd expect Wilson to have been shot.

JMO
 
dandy said:
one more ? about the 1st autopsy results - is it standard protocol to release the results to the family/attorney? just wondering if they are privy to the information. thanks
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Usually the autopsy is released to the family, but this would be classified as a homicide = death at the hands of someone else.

The 1st autopsy done by Mary Case is released to the Prosecution and I doubt seriously if they would release it to the family. If there is an indictment, that autopsy will be kept secret until trial. The Prosecution would want the defendant (in any case) to have a fair trial.
 
Wanted to move it but I was staying away cause my wrists hurt. I posted this like 20 minutes before that thread closed.

I worked on it- it required many spell checyes when I spell check - it not one pass through I confuse my spell checker - that is quite a feat !

RE: Autopsy!

It astounding that the media keeps stating that we have to wait for the results come out. The results as far as the autopsy goes , in the court room, bullet trajectory will be addressed by the folks that have already have told the world their findings. Then the media focuses is on the fact that they have said something different could have happened. The sun may not rise tomm, but in all liklihood, it is pretty ok ,to believe in all liklihood , it shall!.

IMO no "expert" witness will lock him/her self in box. The ones that are skilled at that get hired! (notice that in alot of trials regular folks get caught up in that stating something unevivallyy)

If asked is there a "possibly" ( see sun above!) that the wounds could have done this or this. Of course they have to answer there could be a possibly. That is the whole game (nothing with guilt or not). If any of them said there is no way the bullets might have done this . Its all really a tennis match. All the other "side"(that in and of itself sounds like a tennis match) will do is find some expert that would testify the opposite ( no matter how ludicrous it is $ talks- it purhcases stuff foes it not?. Nothing to do with logic or the truth.

The reality that in fact,visually to all, his back is smooth as ice - logically, confirms, makes simple sense ( ( unless bullets can do u turns like anti missiles can do!) . With thx exception that someone suffering with a delusionial disorder of some variety! . IMO, Peroid. Done. Fact.

Its funny right now CNN is exploring the new revelation that the "star" witness has been charged with lying to the police. The attorney's did their spin ( again IMO, its a tennis match). No relevance that he has been charged with lying to cops in the past! No relevance?

! If he had been charged with shoplifting a cake maybe irrevelant! If I had murdered before that might have some importance in a murder trial, less important in a auto accident trial!

The other irony here is the other charge is stealing stuff, after being on video accompanying someone committing a felony doing the same thing!

And the real "game" part of the system is there will be days spent discussing if the jury can "hear" about it. Hours of trial time is spent arguing if the TRUTH, in any context, about anything, in any trial, can be entered into the record.

All these endless hours in what is supposed to be about finding the truth is spent determing if damaging truths can be heard by the jury. Its a game, IMO.

IMO, we have a legal system - not a "justice" system - there is a world of difference IMO
 
jggordo said:
What I am not understanding about this Parcells guy is that nobody seems ta actually have taken him to task for fraudulent reports. After all, he is actually working for prosecutors. When testifying on the stand for the trials, did he inflate his credentials under oath? The only part that I do believe from him is that it's done all the time. I couldn't tell you how many times I took my Mother, or even myself to the emergency room and got bills from Doctors who had never been in the room and never even met. My Mother was elderly and I went where she went. Every test, x-ray, scan or consult. So when someone is deceased Lord only knows what truly happens.

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That is what so problematic about him. He has inflated his qualifications to portray himself as an expert when he isn't qualified at all. This alone makes any appeals in a civil or criminal case pretty strong. Below is the link if you want to read more about him.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_0662e5b1-dcfa-578f-9487-8ab6a176ea4d.html
 
UdbCrzy2 said:
Usually the autopsy is released to the family, but this would be classified as a homicide = death at the hands of someone else.

The 1st autopsy done by Mary Case is released to the Prosecution and I doubt seriously if they would release it to the family. If there is an indictment, that autopsy will be kept secret until trial. The Prosecution would want the defendant (in any case) to have a fair trial.
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The family had every right to know the autopsy results ESPECIALLY if their loved one was killed ! If I was MB's family and the ME refused to share the autopsy results of my child with me, I would sue.
 
jmcgladr said:
What makes you think that Belmar didn't
say that? Do you have proof that this is a "provable lie"?
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Other than watching the news conference and listening closely to what Chief Belmar said at the time, there's the "fact" that no msm news outlet has quoted Belmar as saying, "The only person to fire the gun was Wilson," including the WaPo article (which iirc you provided at the end of the previous thread as proof of this assertion) who only alluded to his making that claim. Please correct me if I'm mistaken though, as I often am.

WaPo said: There was a struggle over Wilson’s gun, which was fired once inside the car, Belmar said. The only person to fire the gun was Wilson, he said.

WaPo didn't say: "There was a struggle over Wilson's gun, which was fired once inside the car," Belmar said. "The only person to fire the gun was Wilson," he said.
 
CARIIS said:
Hi guys!

you all blew out my wrists! This carpel stuff hurts!

My goodness the funeral is rivaling Michael Jacksons! A contributer to society for sure .

The last thing we know about him, for fact, is , that 10 minutes befrore the tragic dealth he just rapped up committing a violent felony..............

Media keeps saying he was on to "college" ......he was heading to a 6 month class to fix air conditioners....

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/19/key-figures-in-the-michael-brown-shooting/
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What's wrong with a career in HVAC?
 
DebinGA said:
Other than watching the news conference and listening closely to what Chief Belmar said at the time, there's the "fact" that no msm news outlet has quoted Belmar as saying, "The only person to fire the gun was Wilson," including the WaPo article (which iirc you provided at the end of the previous thread as proof of this assertion) who only alluded to his making that claim. Please correct me if I'm mistaken though, as I often am.
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So if it's not quoted, only paraphrased, it's by default a lie?


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jmcgladr said:
The family had every right to know the autopsy results ESPECIALLY if their loved one was killed ! If I was MB's family and the ME refused to share the autopsy results of my child with me, I would sue.
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The article I posted earlier, which discusses the role of an ME had some very good info. The ME does not work "for the police"

Unfortunately, in the wake of the death of a civilian at the hand of police officers, the public is often suspicious of the medical examiner.

Because the law requires a local government agency to perform the death investigation, people often assume that this agency falls under the jurisdiction or influence of the police. News reports critical of the amount of time the dead body was left at the scene, or the amount of time it takes to get a final autopsy report, exacerbate this distrust.

In St. Louis County, Missouri, where Michael Brown was autopsied, Dr. Mary Case, the chief medical examiner, is a board-certified forensic pathologist. She has years of experience and reports to the Health Department, not the police.

Brown's official autopsy report was expedited and finalized on Monday. It was made available to the prosecuting attorney, who is now in charge of any release of information.

When I have been assigned to investigate an in-custody or officer-involved death, I will often call the family right away. It's important to me to reach out to them, to tell the people who are awaiting answers from me that I am qualified to do the job I am trained for; that I will hide nothing from them; that everything I do on their behalf will be part of the public record; and to give them some idea of how long the process might take. When the report is finished, I meet with family members or their attorneys to discuss the findings and explain the medical diagnoses I have come to.

We are servants of the public -- not of the state, not of any single law firm, and not of the police
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/opinion/melinek-michael-brown-autopsy/index.html

My gut tells me the results were discussed with the family, despite it being a murder investigation. it's not as if anyone in MBs family is a suspect in his death.

It's a great article, revealing how an ME works, and offers insight into many of the questions that people may have.
 
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