MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

[CHERIE.T]

No kidding! If I read "we have multiple witnesses" one more time, I may pray for blindness. Oy, just be for Mike and hope for an indictment, but stop asking thinking people to buy this trio of storytellers, they aren't good at it and fiction seldom provides facts.

I concur!

 

[Linda7NJ]

So as far as I can tell, here is what the protestors want:

--They want Darren Wilson arrested, convicted and executed without due process.
--They want the the DA, an elected official, removed from office without due process.

They will use force if these demands are not met.

Have I got this right?

Yep, while they drone on about "justice" and "civil rights"!!

I am starting to feel like it's a twist sick skit on SNL.




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[Little Jedi]

^^ Is that tortoise doing 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot' ? ^^
:wink:

 

[i.b.nora]

The technical college would not confirm his enrollment.

There is a small issue of FERPA. And, it is taken very seriously.

"The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) (20 U.S.C. § 1232g; 34 CFR Part 99) is a Federal law that protects the privacy of student education records. The law applies to all schools that receive funds under an applicable program of the U.S. Department of Education."

http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html

This snippet I think applies:

"Generally, schools must have written permission from the parent or eligible student in order to release any information from a student's education record. However, FERPA allows schools to disclose those records, without consent, to the following parties or under the following conditions (34 CFR § 99.31):

- School officials with legitimate educational interest;
- Other schools to which a student is transferring;
- Specified officials for audit or evaluation purposes;
- Appropriate parties in connection with financial aid to a student;
- Organizations conducting certain studies for or on behalf of the school;
- Accrediting organizations;
- To comply with a judicial order or lawfully issued subpoena;
- Appropriate officials in cases of health and safety emergencies; and
- State and local authorities, within a juvenile justice system, pursuant to specific State law.

"Schools may disclose, without consent, "directory" information such as a student's name, address, telephone number, date and place of birth, honors and awards, and dates of attendance. However, schools must tell parents and eligible students about directory information and allow parents and eligible students a reasonable amount of time to request that the school not disclose directory information about them. Schools must notify parents and eligible students annually of their rights under FERPA. The actual means of notification (special letter, inclusion in a PTA bulletin, student handbook, or newspaper article) is left to the discretion of each school."

 

[Truthy]

I agree with a lot that you're saying in your first paragraph, personally. In your second paragraph (and for the sake of applying critical thinking) what if it is more like the kids are failing the educational system?! As you know, learning is a two-way venture; not a one way venture. A student needs to value and apply the learning.
No one owes anyone an education. A person must have a desire to learn.

moo

I used to think that before a few friends worked in the public school system. Many work with NO books or supplies at all, and buy them and print handouts at their own expense. Class sizes are so large as to break all the rules, as well as laws for fire hazards (over occupied). Teachers are told exactly how many kids they are allowed to fail (my neighbor just told me he was instructed to fail no one) and so are basically forced to fake results on state testing or lose their jobs. ANd they get kids then who are not prepared from lower grades. Things have gone downhill fast in the last 20-30 years. It is not that uncommon to get 11th or 12th graders who can barely read. It's a very sad situation, IMHO.

 

[TheDuchess]

Marchers protest outside Ferguson police station



http://fox2now.com/2014/08/30/marchers-protest-outside-ferguson-police-station/

That's right cops...just let them keep on talking....that's it...keep going...let the world know the kind of people you really are....

 

[Dana]

^^ Is that tortoise doing 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot' ? ^^
:wink:

LOL!!!!!! I didn't think of that!

 

[CHERIE.T]

You change their peer group. At his size, if he could run 10 feet, and had average grades, he could easily be playing college football right now if someone had changed who he hung out with a few years ago, imo

Completely agree. eace:

 

[jmcgladr]

I wonder if they know McCulloch was elected to his position by the residents of Ferguson. Do they hate him because he's white or something? Do they know how many times he has been re-elected? Is this discrimination due to of the color of his skin?

Well, if they have read a few articles, they might be aware of the other case in which McCulloch accepted the grand jury's decision not to indict two officers who shot some drug dealers to death, described here: http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-prosecutor-robert-p-mccullochs-long-history-siding-police-267357

 

[TorisMom003]

I used to think that before a few friends worked in the public school system. Many work with NO books or supplies at all, and buy them and print handouts at their own expense. Class sizes are so large as to break all the rules, as well as laws for fire hazards (over occupied). Teachers are told exactly how many kids they are allowed to fail - and so are basically forced to fake results on state testing or lose their jobs. Things have gone downhill fast in the last 20-30 years. It is not that uncommon to get 11th or 12th graders who can barely read. It's a very sad situation, IMHO.

There are students that will do whatever it takes to learn, make good grades and better themselves no matter what situation their school is in. There are students that get mad at themselves when they don't do as well as they think they should in class. There are students that fight to overcome the odds at their school because they know that their future is at stake and that they are worth that effort.

Then there are the ones that do the bare minimum. The ones that don't give a carp how well (or not) they do in school. The ones that are there simply because they have to be.

One of the biggest differences between those types of students? The way they are raised at home. How their parents feel about their education, their well being, their future.

MOO

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I used to think that before a few friends worked in the public school system. Many work with NO books or supplies at all, and buy them and print handouts at their own expense. Class sizes are so large as to break all the rules, as well as laws for fire hazards (over occupied). Teachers are told exactly how many kids they are allowed to fail - and so are basically forced to fake results on state testing or lose their jobs. Things have gone downhill fast in the last 20-30 years. It is not that uncommon to get 11th or 12th graders who can barely read. It's a very sad situation, IMHO.

Well things were a lot different when I recently tutored at the State University level. I did everything I could short of exchanging brains to get the info relayed. There was little reciprocal engagement. Many of the student's books were paid for. And if they dropped out early (they had all kinds of grants/loans) they sold their books for cash on the streets.

Nice. not.

 

[tlcya]

IMO, Piaget Crenshaw's claims that she took the video just 30 seconds after the shooting do NOT match what is actually seen on the video she provided. As the yellow police tape can be seen.

IMO, she started to videotape the events with her cell phone a few minutes after the shooting, when the yellow police tape was put in place but just early enough before the body was covered with the sheet.

I also believe IF that video on her cell phone would have been of any value for LE/FBI, she would NOT have gotten back her cell phone to show it to the media but it would have been kept by LE/FBI as evidence. JMO.

I agree with your basic points about the witness but feel in the interest of accuracy I should say that she claimed in a televised interview that LE did indeed take possession of her phone but prior to their taking it she had uploaded the video to her youtube or vine account and that is why she was able to still share the video with news orgs. Because it came from her social media accounts because LE had taken the actual phone on which the video was originally recorded.

 

[LambChop]

Okay, folks. Getting into discussions about the school systems is going too far off topic. Let's get back. Thanks

 

[gngr~snap]

So as far as I can tell, here is what the protestors want:

--They want Darren Wilson arrested, convicted and executed without due process.
--They want the the DA, an elected official, removed from office without due process.

They will use force if these demands are not met.

Have I got this right?

Mr. Brown tended to use his size to scare away potential trouble, Mr. Lewis said.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/2...grappling-with-lifes-mysteries.html?referrer=

I guess they are using their size to scare away trouble?
Moo

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[oceanblueeyes]

But whether that belief was "reasonable" is up ultimately up for others to judge, correct?

In cases like this the GJ weighs the officer's belief (mindset that day) that he needed to use deadly force. It is obvious that HE reasonably believed he did. And if the case continues like it has been going lately I do believe the jurors will think OWs actions were reasonable. They will also have the law before them that states when deadly force can be applied. OW, imo, was within the law. He had a felony suspect who was fleeing in order to avoid being arrested for the felony he had committed upon OW and I do believe OW also knew about the strong armed felony robbery and that is why at first he drove off and then backed up.

The most frightening thing for any officer I would think is having his weapon taken away from him/her by a felony suspect. OW had to know one slight move on either his part or the part of the suspect could end his life. Many officers in the line of duty are killed. It has to constantly be on each one's mind wondering if they will be going home at the end of the day or to the morgue. And most of the time when they lose their lives they are trying to make an arrest, serve a warrant or stop someone in a traffic stop.

Imo, based on what we know now I think the GJ will find OW was reasonable and within the letter of the law when he shot MB.

JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

“Everything happen for a reason,” he posted to Facebook the night before he was shot. “Just start putting 2 n 2 together. You’ll see it.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/2...grappling-with-lifes-mysteries.html?referrer=

I missed this!
He posted this the night before he died???
:waitasec:

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[branwynbreeze]

That begs the question did they draw you into illegal activities?

The point is just because you have some questionable friends does not mean you follow their lead. I have had a few myself, but I know right from wrong and have no desire to be dragged to that level.

 

[LambChop]

Well, if they have read a few articles, they might be aware of the other case in which McCulloch accepted the grand jury's decision not to indict two officers who shot some drug dealers to death, described here: http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-prosecutor-robert-p-mccullochs-long-history-siding-police-267357

This was 14 years ago??? Why is this relevant to this case?

The story presented to the grand jury was that Murray’s car moved toward the two officers, who then fired out of self-defense. The grand jury declined to indict the officers, and McCulloch said he agreed with the decision.

 

[Lovejac]

So as far as I can tell, here is what the protestors want:

--They want Darren Wilson arrested, convicted and executed without due process.
--They want the the DA, an elected official, removed from office without due process.

They will use force if these demands are not met.

Have I got this right?

Yep. IMO That about covers it.

Oh, and money. They would like some money, too

 

[TheDuchess]

This was 14 years ago??? Why is this relevant to this case?

The story presented to the grand jury was that Murray’s car moved toward the two officers, who then fired out of self-defense. The grand jury declined to indict the officers, and McCulloch said he agreed with the decision.

My heart breaks for those poor innocent drug dealers who had so much going for them and should have had an opportunity to turn their lives around. The police could have used stun guns on the vehicle to perhaps just gotten out of the way to let them go. The police don't have the right to execute someone for dealing drugs.

Hopefully everyone realizes by now this post is dripping with sarcasm! :angel: