MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #15

[reedus23]

Charles J. has already published an article about today's events. It is on his website and has been for several hours. Accurate details. He does not slant his reporting like some must do in order to keep their job.

This story is not the only one that Mr. Johns*n is working on at this time. He is quite a busy man with a number of important stories to research and publish.

JMO

I will respectfully disagree. He has as much of an agenda as CNN, Fox and CNBC.

 

[tlcya]

Same here, tlc. :thumbup:

I think that everyone needs to remember too that the current Ferguson police chief has only been there since 2012.

Here's the only link I can find real quick.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jackson_(police_officer)

I remember reading early on that he was brought in and has been working hard to fix things in the department, including hiring more AAs. If I find it after dinner, I'll post.

Point being, I think there should be a dividing line in our judgments of the police force between pre-Thomases term and since he stepped in two years ago.

While glad the investigation will be done and problems addressed I don't really worry about the politics involved with all that. Aside from the fact that this news might calm the situation in Ferguson if it truly is based in the citizens wanting attention to a problem and change.

 

[Kentucky Gal]

Amen brawnybreeze! I give the benefit of doubt to all Law Enforcement until they're done with the investigation, but once it's through if any hint of impropriety is found. Then it's on like Donkey Kong. LOL

They are acting like a child having a tantrum.

 

[Lovejac]

IF IF IF this goes anywhere, just wait until you hear some of the things that people will have to say about what has gone on with FPD. Just a prediction.

Oh absolutely. People will be coming out of the woodwork with claims.

 

[reedus23]

Same here, tlc. :thumbup:

I think that everyone needs to remember too that the current Ferguson police chief has only been there since 2012.

Here's the only link I can find real quick.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jackson_(police_officer)

I remember reading early on that he was brought in and has been working hard to fix things in the department, including hiring more AAs. If I find it after dinner, I'll post.

Point being, I think there should be a dividing line in our judgments of the police force between pre-Thomases term and since he stepped in two years ago.

I am sure the DOJ will take everything into consideration when reaching their decisions. Regardless, I will continue to believe that the FPD should be disbanded and the policing contracted out to the County, who has the luxury of more resources, better pay, retaining better officers on the whole and the luxury to move an officer from patrolling one particular area to another if it becomes apparent that him and the community he is in do not work well together. Just my opinion and it's not limited to FPD. There are other small municipalities in north county that could/should do the same thing. Heck, even Wildwood, an affluent, predominately white area of the County contracts it out to the County.

 

[reedus23]

Oh absolutely. People will be coming out of the woodwork with claims.

Yepp and the problem will be distinguishing the legitimate ones from the ones that are not legitimate.

 

[Yoda]

I am sure the DOJ will take everything into consideration when reaching their decisions. Regardless, I will continue to believe that the FPD should be disbanded and the policing contracted out to the County, who has the luxury of more resources, better pay, retaining better officers on the whole and the luxury to move an officer from patrolling one particular area to another if it becomes apparent that him and the community he is in do not work well together. Just my opinion and it's not limited to FPD. There are other small municipalities in north county that could/should do the same thing. Heck, even Wildwood, an affluent, predominately white area of the County contracts it out to the County.

This sounds like a good idea. JMO

 

[Lovejac]

And he might have been. I have read a lot about people who spread the word of Jesus Christ who weren't the most upstanding individuals. My take...no one individual can be so easily described as a choir boy, a gentle giant, a or a gangster. There are so many sides to a person and in most cases we are a mix of a little bit of all of it.

Oh I hear you. I was just letting you know where I think the 'choir boy' statement came from.

 

[Muffet]

I don't know if that changes a single thing. More than anything, it's about appearances and showing outward support for the one they are supposed to be investigating is simply wrong. It calls their bias into question, even if it has been a completely thorough investigation. It calls into question exactly why they are so confident.

That was my first thought too, Reedus. And neither of us think it's good optics (at least it wasn't done within the first week).

But he reminded me that the investigation is being done not just in parallel, but with the oversight of the FBI, and the guys in the pic don't represent the investigators of this case, or necessarily, any investigators.

If the evidence wasn't overwhelming, we would see different things happening, from the governor to the DOJ, to these guys.

Just my guess, but I expect we'll see them wait until the heat simmers down, then more emphasis on the DOJ investigation of the department, and that will be given a lot of publicity alongside the evidence that exonerates ODW in the eyes of a critical majority.

There will always be people who cry foul conspiracy. We still have 911 truthers after all. And in this case, we still have people even today publishing things like he was left uncovered for all those hours and that MB never robbed the store.

It's going to take both of these two PR firms to help get the truth out without having not just Ferguson, but other cities burn.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

I am sure the DOJ will take everything into consideration when reaching their decisions. Regardless, I will continue to believe that the FPD should be disbanded and the policing contracted out to the County, who has the luxury of more resources, better pay, retaining better officers on the whole and the luxury to move an officer from patrolling one particular area to another if it becomes apparent that him and the community he is in do not work well together. Just my opinion and it's not limited to FPD. There are other small municipalities in north county that could/should do the same thing. Heck, even Wildwood, an affluent, predominately white area of the County contracts it out to the County.

I think Fenton did it.

 

[bwt42]

i will respectfully disagree. He has as much of an agenda as cnn, fox and cnbc.

cnbc?

 

[reedus23]

That was my first thought too, Reedus. And neither of us think it's good optics (at least it wasn't done within the first week).

But he reminded me that the investigation is being done not just in parallel, but with the oversight of the FBI, and the guys in the pic don't represent the investigators of this case, or necessarily, any investigators.

If the evidence wasn't overwhelming, we would see different things happening, from the governor to the DOJ, to these guys.

Just my guess, but I expect we'll see them wait until the heat simmers down, then more emphasis on the DOJ investigation of the department, and that will be given a lot of publicity alongside the evidence that exonerates ODW in the eyes of a critical majority.

There will always be people who cry foul conspiracy. We still have 911 truthers after all. And in this case, we still have people even today publishing things like he was left uncovered for all those hours and that MB never robbed the store.

It's going to take both of these two PR firms to help get the truth out without having not just Ferguson, but other cities burn.

At the end of the day, I think I agree with most everything you say. I think that the investigation into the FPD will receive more and more attention, drawing attention away from DW so that any eventual no true bill won't be met with the same fury. It's just going to be hard to change my mind on the show of support. It just wreaks of bias and conflict of interest even if there are none.

 

[reedus23]

I think Fenton did it.

Think you're right. I know Valley Park did for sure.

 

[reedus23]

cnbc?

lol yeah, them too. msnbc. I'm leaving someone out. I stay as far away from them as possible. Blame Nancy Grace. lol

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I am sure the DOJ will take everything into consideration when reaching their decisions. Regardless, I will continue to believe that the FPD should be disbanded and the policing contracted out to the County, who has the luxury of more resources, better pay, retaining better officers on the whole and the luxury to move an officer from patrolling one particular area to another if it becomes apparent that him and the community he is in do not work well together. Just my opinion and it's not limited to FPD. There are other small municipalities in north county that could/should do the same thing. Heck, even Wildwood, an affluent, predominately white area of the County contracts it out to the County.

I think there are good points that you're making but the part that raises my eyebrow a bit is where the law enforcement officer has to work well together with the residents. It really isn't a popularity contest; especially if your residents are in a high-crime area committing crimes. And if it is a high-crime area, how can you work "well" with criminals or gangs?
Law enforcement isn't necessarily marketing. And they aren't tour guides to a museum.
They uphold the law.
So if it is a crime-ridden neighborhood, who gets to determine if the law enforcement officer is working "well" with them? The criminals?
IOW, if LE are doing their job by the book and arresting those that are committing crimes, I have a funny feeling that they aren't going to win a popularity award, iykwim....

 

[reedus23]

I think there are good points that you're making but the part that raises my eyebrow a bit is where the law enforcement officer has to work well together with the residents. It really isn't a popularity contest; especially if your residents are in a high-crime area committing crimes. And if it is a high-crime area, how can you work "well" with criminals or gangs?
Law enforcement isn't necessarily marketing. And they aren't tour guides to a museum.
They uphold the law.
So if it is a crime-ridden neighborhood, who gets to determine if the law enforcement officer is working "well" with them? The criminals?
IOW, if LE are doing their job by the book and arresting those that are committing crimes, I have a funny feeling that they aren't going to win a popularity award, iykwim....

No, it's not a popularity contest. But, let's say that an officer arrest is in a questionable altercation. Let's say it's determined that there is nothing there warranting discipline but the community he's working in continues to have strong feelings about it (not the rioting and looting type strong feelings, but just strong feelings). Instead of letting matter stew, the County would have the opportunity to re-assign them from say West County to South County. They are able to continue to effectively police all areas and yet, at the same time, take some small steps to avoid problems down the road. To me, doesn't seem like a big deal. To me, those determination lie only with the department. Hopefully they have leaders who can recognize where potential issues are and can work to avoid those potential issues while not easing up on their policing activity and not disciplining the officer.

I will admit, my wording wasn't very good in my earlier post but I was trying to go for brevity when I probably should have explained what I was saying.

 

[Linda7NJ]

What was the logo on Brown hat?


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[reedus23]

What was the logo on Brown hat?


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Cardinals.

 

[TorisMom003]

It looks like the St Louis Cardinals?

 

[reedus23]

It looks like the St Louis Cardinals?

I think it's been reported as such as well.