MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #5

[Suthrnqt]

Don't forget to watch the rebroadcast of Nancy Grace tonight...
The Brown family attorney is well worth watching admit the wound to The hand was a close contact wound and the gun discharged in Wilson's vehicle after more than a tussle!!!!

2am est for comcast subscribers


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Bringing this forward for those of you who aren't privy to this info.
This was on Nancy Grace last night.

 

[Muffet]

Three more things I'd like to have clarified, if possible:

Was MB's body already embalmed and/or wiped before Biden got to it?

2. I heard on TV that MB's accomplice said MB had blood on him when he exited the altercation in the car?

3....? Err... :what: I forgot the third.

 

[JudyBolton]

YES! Thank you, Muffet! I didn't know how to say that!!!

I was looking at the robbery video over and over yesterday, just to see how his arms moved and how big around they really were, and how far his shirt sleeves came down towards his elbows. I really think there should be gunpowder marks ON THE SHIRT that will show whether his arm was towards his back, or his front, or by his side.

I heard an expert state that unless the gun was less than 2 feet away - there would be no gun-shot residue on his clothes.

 

[Spellbound]

Has anyone even considered the possibility that when Brown turned toward the officer (no matter if he was rushing or walking or standing) that the officer may have thought the cigars in his hand were a weapon?

 

[Isabelle]

Jumping off....

Is anyone seeing local fall-out from the Ferguson protests? By "local" I mean town/city, county, or in your state? You don't have to name the place, of course, but I'm interested in knowing if it's mild rumblings, organized protests, heated letters to the editor, etc.

I'm asking because there are reports of some protests in my state, and there is something happening locally in the near future that might be just the spark needed to cause people to "burst into flames."

I dread when the GJ finishes their job. Anything short of marching the LEO straight to a cell and clanging the door shut behind him is going to make a lot of people angry, IMO, and I fear that no matter how much progress is made until then, we will be back to the kinds of nights we've been witnessing. I'm afraid this might happen regardless of the findings: No indictment will incur wrath; an indictment will incite a "we told you so!" attitude and "justify" anger.

Nothing here in the Deep South.

 

[DebinGA]

Bringing this forward for those of you who aren't privy to this info.
This was on Nancy Grace last night.

Nancy Grace show video re MB/DW "strong interaction" at the car:

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/08/18/michael-brown-shooting-autopsy-fight-car

 

[Isabelle]

Three more things I'd like to have clarified, if possible:

Was MB's body already embalmed and/or wiped before Biden got to it?

2. I heard on TV that MB's accomplice said MB had blood on him when he exited the altercation in the car?

3....? Err... :what: I forgot the third.

Seems I heard on CNN or HLN that the body was already washed and embalmed and that the second autopsy was performed at the funeral home. I would think this is a possibility.

 

[zoomom]

I heard an expert state that unless the gun was less than 2 feet away - there would be no gun-shot residue on his clothes.

Hi Judy Bolton,

I guess I meant bullet fragment (tiny) holes, blood splatter, or SOMETHING that signified where the arm was in relation to the shirt.

 

[Muffet]

I have read many reports saying a shot went OFF in the car but not that MB was actually shot.

The family's lawyer gave me the impression in a few ways that he did. Purely my impression, based on his discomfort with the repeated questions about it and what I inferred as evasiveness.

If these County, family, and DOJ reports come out clashing, I fear we will have a complete mess and anything but a productive resolution for anyone. :/

 

[Isabelle]

That's bad---really bad. She wants to base her opinions on the private autopsy and not consider the original autopsy which is much more complete? I don't think the toxicology is even back yet. Bad bad bad.

Has the original autopsy been released? Thanks.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Nancy Grace show video re MB/DW "strong confrontation" at the car:

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/08/18/michael-brown-shooting-autopsy-fight-car

Deb, thanks for posting the link. I belong to a small contingent of the Luddite society here at WS.

 

[CARIIS]

RE: "I left because I feared that if I stayed, something would happen to me. I felt like if they would have gotten me, they would have done anything possible to make sure I couldn't come forth and give my side of what happened," Johnson told KSDK.

This just does not ring for me! IF I was scared and moved i would not be doing interviews telling the world that I moved!

In addition, moving from a violent partner might work - but LE spends most of its time "locating" people

IMO

 

[Isabelle]

Jim Acosta ‏@JimAcostaCNN 1m
POTUS visit to Ferguson not out of question in future. But would tax law enforcement resources needed to calm tensions now, per WH.

Would Ferguson have the experience or resources to handle that? I'm not sure.

 

[TaylurRose02]

Once a therapist always a therapist. The psychosocial background , in anything, is vital! He posted pics of himself gang signing. That has some background value in terms if core belief syste,ms as it relates to LE
Michael throwing a gang sign:

ec/df
google image forgot to get link!

He must be in a gang because his fingers match a picture of gang signs off of google images? Are you kidding me? I've made "gang signs" in pictures before. So if I was shot by a police officer, is that what you would focus on? It's sad that those images of him float around, but his graduation picture no one cares about. The pictures of him smiling with kids no one cares about. It makes me sick that people go this far to make someone match some sinister profile. He's dead. He was 18 years old living in STL. Maybe you've never been there, but it's scary and you do what you can to fit in and get by without becoming a target. Yeah he stole and broke the law. But he was 18. Do you have any idea how many kids make mistakes at that age and grow out of it? My husbands father was in a gang in KC as a teen, but now he's a reputable judge in the city. Maybe Michael could have been the next President, but now we'll never know because he's gone. Ever heard of Beyond Scared Straight? Those good cops give kids a chance to change because they understood that people make mistakes. Oh btw, guess what? Police officers in Ferguson beat an innocent man and charged him with getting blood on their clothes in 2009, but no one cared about that. Yes it's true. Look it up yourself. Henry Davis. They still wear their badges. I guess pictures of them beating an innocent man didn't make it to the internet to have the chance to be circulated around. I'm not saying Michael was innocent, or that Wilson is guilty. The truth of the matter is that no matter how you twist the story, there is always someone hurt by it.

 

[Lovejac]

HLN stating 2 shot and 31 arrested last night.

I'm trying to catch up from last night.

Showing Nelly speaking to the protesters.

I'm seeing some of the footage from last night. Frightening

 

[Sonya610]

Was MB's body already embalmed and/or wiped before Biden got to it?

Baden said the body was already embalmed before the second autopsy.

 

[DeDee]

I have a reliable source who whispered something in my ear. Awaiting confirmation. It will be announced via twitter. Stayed tuned to #Ferguson.

Meanwhile, USA TODAY ‏@USATODAY · 1m
2 people shot, 31 arrested, 4 officers injured, 2 fires set in #Ferguson: http://usat.ly/1oN7ViF (Joe Raedle, Getty) pic.twitter.com/xcHhTdrmhE

 

[1&2&3]

It is a loose~loose situation as it stands! Browns family wants the officer charged and jailed, nothing more, nothing less! With them standing on this ground, they incite and rouse the fires in Ferguson.

Their lawyer is only aggravating the situation as he did in the Tryvon Martin case! The mentality they are using is not one to try to calm the community. Why is this allowed?

The Browns lawyer ought to be advising them and projecting to the community they want the truth and the best way for that to happen is for everyone to stay calm. Browns family act like it's the old days and they are calling for a lynching! Maybe his family needs to be updated on the modern ways of how the court system works. JMO.

Ferguson will explode when it is announced the officer is not going to be charged - as it appears from what we have been told. The Brown family needs serious counseling. They need to accept the fact there are consequences when their son does wrong things! I do not think they are accepting this. The mindset seems to be "the white cop".

If he has a record, it was sealed as a juvenile when he turned 18 so we will never know! It is amazing that none of his friends are talking about what a good guy he was. Hmmmm. . . Nada. What does that tell us?

My opinions only!

 

[popsicle]

Seems I heard on CNN or HLN that the body was already washed and embalmed and that the second autopsy was performed at the funeral home. I would think this is a possibility.

Thinking about this... how could that be. The family stated they were getting a 2nd autopsy earlier in the week and DOJ corrected their statement to say their autopsy would actually be a 3rd and not the 2nd one. I think DOJ pulled rank and did the 2nd and then Baden did his at the funeral home, before embalming. jmo

 

[CARIIS]

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I concur, the body is chopped up during an autopsy- IMO there had to be an impact (forget the fact that 50% of the team doing it Pascal isnt even a doctor) from being dissected. I think its a pretty violent undertaking in terms of to the body.

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http://www.pathguy.com/autopsy.htm