I am not defending JN. IMO he is guilty of much if not all of what he is accused. I have dug a lot deeper. And you are absolutely right that there is much more to this case than is able to be presented on WS. That goes to the questions I am asking. What more do we not know?
This thread seems to overwhelmingly believe only the best about ND and JD while believing only the worst about JN and TSF. Mostly as presented by the media. Understandable given the horrible crimes committed. But people are complicated and life is messy. Simple, clean and neat explanations seldom are adequate. I am interjecting some what ifs that might shift the balance in another direction.
All I am saying is that maybe there are circumstances on both sides that do not fit the neat, simple mold that we want. Maybe TSF is not a monster mother but the mother of a monster and also a victim in her son's schemes. Bad choices made from a mother's love. Maybe the Diemel's are not as upstanding as their public persona. And their families are also victims of their choices.
This is not a rush to judgment against ND and JD. It is also a caution against a rush to judgment against JN to a degree but also against TSF, other family and Braymer. It does appear that the Diemel operation was large, and possibly interconnected with other family. J4s appears not to be.
There is much, much more that needs to come to light in this case before we come to the truth of what happened on July 20 and 21. There is also much more that needs to come to light about what led up to the events on those dates. My hope is that it all comes out: what JN did, what TSF did, what ND and JD did, what DF from Kansas did, what others that ND and JD were in business with have to say about their business dealings, what the alphabet government agencies who are involved in this investigation are keeping quiet about. The simple answer may turn out to be the right one. On the other hand, there may be carefully covered up info of a deeper investigation that leads in a whole new direction. We are each entitled to out opinions and conclusions. Just make room for the possibility that new information may prove all of us wrong.
This thread seems to overwhelmingly believe only the best about ND and JD while believing only the worst about JN and TSF. Mostly as presented by the media. Understandable given the horrible crimes committed. But people are complicated and life is messy. Simple, clean and neat explanations seldom are adequate. I am interjecting some what ifs that might shift the balance in another direction.
All I am saying is that maybe there are circumstances on both sides that do not fit the neat, simple mold that we want. Maybe TSF is not a monster mother but the mother of a monster and also a victim in her son's schemes. Bad choices made from a mother's love. Maybe the Diemel's are not as upstanding as their public persona. And their families are also victims of their choices.
This is not a rush to judgment against ND and JD. It is also a caution against a rush to judgment against JN to a degree but also against TSF, other family and Braymer. It does appear that the Diemel operation was large, and possibly interconnected with other family. J4s appears not to be.
There is much, much more that needs to come to light in this case before we come to the truth of what happened on July 20 and 21. There is also much more that needs to come to light about what led up to the events on those dates. My hope is that it all comes out: what JN did, what TSF did, what ND and JD did, what DF from Kansas did, what others that ND and JD were in business with have to say about their business dealings, what the alphabet government agencies who are involved in this investigation are keeping quiet about. The simple answer may turn out to be the right one. On the other hand, there may be carefully covered up info of a deeper investigation that leads in a whole new direction. We are each entitled to out opinions and conclusions. Just make room for the possibility that new information may prove all of us wrong.
