NOTGUILTY MO - Savannah Leckie, 16, found deceased, Theodosia, 18 July 2017 * mom arrested*

[Jenjen37]

What was she trying to sell?

She attempted to post it in one of the closed groups I admin. We chose not to post it due to the circumstances with Savannah and it has been sitting in my pending posts ever since.

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[Vox Nocturna]

She wasn't selling.. she was looking for a caretaker for her land so she could drive long haul truck for 2 years.

 

[Gardener1850]

Sadly, it could take months to identify the remains as Savannah. We could be waiting a long time for arrests.

 

[rpgman]

She wasn't selling.. she was looking for a caretaker for her land so she could drive long haul truck for 2 years.

and what I wonder was she going to do with Savannah once she started driving trucks long haul?

 

[Gardener1850]

She wasn't selling.. she was looking for a caretaker for her land so she could drive long haul truck for 2 years.

I really hope you sent this to the police! That may be what she said she was wanting to do but it could be evidence of her planning to go on the run. That along with the shutting down of their farm business website could indicate she wasn't planning on coming back. JMO.

 

[Jenjen37]

I wouldn't say that missouri is huge on off griders. There are some in the rural areas but i have seen the most in Arkansas and out west. I should say i grew up in Missouri until I was 25 and then got married and moved to Arkansas close to the Missouri border. There are a bunch of different types of off gridders. These people in this case was extreme gridders. No electricity except generators and no running water.

Sadly, many in the off grid community feel that corporal punishment is perfectly acceptable. It is a very strongly conservative mentality in the main, that feels the current views of child rearing are soft and in large part contribute to the country's decline. Very old school religion, right wing conservative values taken to the extreme with a healthy dose of prepper paranoia.

Missouri is a big local for this due to being a red state itself with lax building codes and overly generous gun laws. You aren't going to find a lot of folks reporting things like that, unfortunately
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[ts51]

If they can't arrest her for murder YET, why can't they arrest her for child abuse even if the child isn't there? She admitted to doing these things to Savannah (and using alcohol on an open wound), and to me this is an abusive home. I'm all for people living "off the grid" and disciplining their children as they see fit until that discipline becomes abusive and imo, this is bordering abuse.Lock her up! She can cry all she wants about her rights being violated, no one cares..she certainly didn't care about her daughters HUMAN rights, much less civil. Rant over. moo

Ok- I am beyond horrified;

"During the investigation, Ruud admitted to disciplining Leckie, "by forcing her to crawl through a hog pen." It was also revealed that Leckie was, "forced to bathe in a pond on the property"."

http://kstp.com/news/savannah-leckie-minnesota-missing-teen-minnesota-remains/4569897/

 

[Vox Nocturna]

JenJen37 the group I run is 85k people total, over 200 of which are in MO and more owning land here with plans to transition. Most are working to be solar/wind/gen powered. And that is just one of the groups. Mo is prob the top lower 48 recommendation and second to Alaska overall.

Gardener180, yes and to the Leckies. I fully expect there will be civil case as well in the future though no one has made mention of it as yet.

 

[margarita25]

If they can't arrest her for murder YET, why can't they arrest her for child abuse even if the child isn't there? She admitted to doing these things to Savannah (and using alcohol on an open wound), and to me this is an abusive home. I'm all for people living "off the grid" and disciplining their children as they see fit until that discipline becomes abusive and imo, this is bordering abuse.Lock her up! She can cry all she wants about her rights being violated, no one cares..she certainly didn't care about her daughters HUMAN rights, much less civil. Rant over. moo

Agreed.

 

[Jenjen37]

I'm not doubting you. I'm just saying there are different degrees of being off grid. I'm in some of those groups for ideas but i dont live off grid. What I'm trying to say most people in Missouri aren't living off as much of these folks. Are you local?

JenJen37 the group I run is 85k people total, over 200 of which are in MO and more owning land here with plans to transition. Most are working to be solar/wind/gen powered. And that is just one of the groups. Mo is prob the top lower 48 recommendation and second to Alaska overall.

Gardener180, yes and to the Leckies. I fully expect there will be civil case as well in the future though no one has made mention of it as yet.

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[Vox Nocturna]

As a side note.. I have no running water, live in 160sf with composting toilet, use my cell for internet and phone, will cut power as soon as I have a solar/wind setup able to handle the computer draw, in SW MiO.

None of which is considered extreme in the growing off grid/tiny house world.

 

[Vox Nocturna]

I'm not doubting you. I'm just saying there are different degrees of being off grid. I'm in some of those groups for ideas but i dont live off grid. What I'm trying to say most people in Missouri aren't living off as much of these folks. Are you local?

I am, yes. And I said MO was popular with off gridders not that the state itself was only such.

That said the attitude towards corporal punishment and conservative values IS very much MO overall. It is one of the reasons I stay to myself on my land as much as possible as I find I have very little in common with my community.

 

[Jenjen37]

I wasn't trying to be confrontational if thats how you took it. That is all. I hope there are no hard feeling

I am, yes. And I said MO was popular with off gridders not that the state itself was only such.

That said the attitude towards corporal punishment and conservative values IS very much MO overall all. It is one of the reasons I stay to myself on my land as much as possible as I find I have very little in common with my community over all.

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[Spellbound]

FWIW ... Savannah was not going to school. one of the articles (not sure which one) said she WS bein "home schooled". Don't know why this popped into my head, but sharing anyway. She was so isolated, she had no one to turn to if she even wanted. :tears:

 

[Shelby1]

and what I wonder was she going to do with Savannah once she started driving trucks long haul?

My first thought is that when this ad was placed, Savannah was already gone. When was the ad placed?

 

[jccoa1999]

She showed us what she was going to do didn't she

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[Vox Nocturna]

I wasn't trying to be confrontational if thats how you took it. That is all. I hope there are no hard feeling

None at all.

I'm passionate about this way of life, reconnecting with our food sources and environment and self sufficiency so tend to get a bit assertive about it when scenarios like this situation call it into question.

On the other hand I have also said that a psychological profile of my off grid group members would be a fascinating study in undealt with traumas, paranoia, borderline socio/psychopathic behaviors and who knows what else.

With so many to watch and literally thousands joining weekly I get a pretty unique perspective on this community. There are a lot of single middle aged women who come to this as a way to escape DV, divorce, abusive family or other traumas. A lot of folks coming out of homelessness and trying to do so in a way they aren't dependent on landlords or the system ever again.

And those are just the situational ones... LOL We're an odd breed overall. And sadly less hippie dippy than makes me happy.

 

[Vox Nocturna]

My first thought is that when this ad was placed, Savannah was already gone. When was the ad placed?

Augsut 1st. She did it in a group that wasn't likely to be seen by locals aware of Savannah's disappearance.

 

[Jenjen37]

Are these meetings over the internet or in person? Where are you?

None at all.

I'm passionate about this way of life, reconnecting with our food sources and environment and self sufficiency so tend to get a bit assertive about it when scenarios like this situation call it into question.

On the other hand I have also said that a psychological profile of my off grid group members would be a fascinating study in undealt with traumas, paranoia, borderline socio/psychopathic behaviors and who knows what else.

With so many to watch and literally thousands joining weekly I get a pretty unique perspective on this community. There are a lot of single middle aged women who come to this as a way to escape DV, divorce, abusive family or other traumas. A lot of folks coming out of homelessness and trying to do so in a way they aren't dependent on landlords or the system ever again.

And those are just the situational ones... LOL We're an odd breed overall. And sadly less hippie dippy than makes me happy.

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[Shelby1]

Augsut 1st. She did it in a group that wasn't likely to be seen by locals aware of Savannah's disappearance.

Thank you.

So, yeah, sigh. She knew dang good and well that there was no more Savannah to worry about and/or she wanted to skip out of town for a while to give things time to "cool off".