MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #13

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You remember the way your friends arrange all their photos in their room? Doubtful... would be weird if she was doing that..

You seem very disconnected .
It’s 1992 , this isn't an iPhone with 12,000 photos on it . It’s GRADUATION photos ..
they JUST graduated , eating Graduation cake . Not sure how you think teen girls looking at photos is weird .
I guarantee if I returned 12-24 hours later I’d know if this photo was or was not missing . Or if there were frames that were empty . Perhaps I’m more observant then most people but I can tell you what childhood friends parents had on the wall Years later .
 

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You seem very disconnected .
It’s 1992 , this isn't an iPhone with 12,000 photos on it . It’s GRADUATION photos ..
they JUST graduated , eating Graduation cake . Not sure how you think teen girls looking at photos is weird .
I guarantee if I returned 12-24 hours later I’d know if this photo was or was not missing . Or if there were frames that were empty . Perhaps I’m more observant then most people but I can tell you what childhood friends parents had on the wall Years later .

Were frames empty because photos were taken out by a stranger or kidnapper or were frames going to be filled with graduation photos? If Bartt noticed that were photos removed to make a missing persons flier. There are some things you wonder how people coming in and out of the house messed with evidence or was confused with part of the crime. IDK.
 
From theory it was a random perp. A missing pic of Suzie could mean a great trophy / souvenir / keepsake for a perp of that night. Especially since that was not the age of camera phones. It’s something personal, maybe wouldn’t think anyone would miss. Also, would make you think it’s Suzie, perp wanted.
 
I was a teenager in the 90’s and looked at and exchanged pictures-especially senior pictures with my friends-nothing weird about it. I don’t know how anyone other than Nigel could’ve known what was disturbed or missing since no one milling in and out of Delmar had been there before that day. Someone could’ve taken a picture for a trophy but sometimes an empty frame is just an empty frame.
 
I was a teenager in the 90’s and looked at and exchanged pictures-especially senior pictures with my friends-nothing weird about it. I don’t know how anyone other than Nigel could’ve known what was disturbed or missing since no one milling in and out of Delmar had been there before that day. Someone could’ve taken a picture for a trophy but sometimes an empty frame is just an empty frame.

We wrote notes on the back of pictures and gave them to friends. This was before texting or even myspace lol. The way all three women had their purses in the house and clothing, the perp/s went out of their way to put things back. It doesn't mean things aren't missing (besides the women) it just seems like a picture frame or frames before graduation could be empty for non criminal reasons. It would be nice it that was cleared up. If a killer has a picture as a trophy this should be something people should look out for. IDK.
 
FYI; ‘ Skewedview’ last posted early in thread #4 in 2009. His last activity was in 2014. Very long and detailed analysis. A most interesting read and he too believes this was a single perpetrator, a sociopath, as he himself describes himself but he received treatment for is proclivities.

I strongly urge everyone to seek out his analysis. It is probably the most intriguing analysis I have ever read.

He gives different ways that entry could have been gained.

What I am convinced of as much as is possible is that a single male sexual predator committed this crime.

Please read and see if you don’t agree.

The posts that Mule referenced are on Page #5 of Thread #4. They are lengthy-three posts in all #s 86, 87 & 88 and written on August 5, 2009. I will try to bring them over, but as I said, they are very lengthy.
 
Post #86..."Greetings all, this is my first post to this site, but I have been lurking it for quite a while…It is often stated here that it is desirable to see this case from a fresh viewpoint, and I believe that I have one that none here have, as no matter how cynical you may be, you are all ‘good people’, while I am not really: I am a sociopath and a sexual sadist – while I have never harmed anyone, and no longer have any intention of doing so, that is only because of intervention, therapy and monitoring before I had escalated past the ‘trolling’ stage. I have in the intervening years developed my sense of empathy to the point where I desire to see justice for victims of violent crimes, however I still do have the old fantasies and urges sitting in my head, and that is the viewpoint from which I am looking at this case, under the old ‘it takes a thief’ concept…

Please forgive the length of this analysis/scenario, which I will be using multiple posts for, and also for taking the time to point out/explain certain things that have already been discussed, as I find it convenient to talk about those things within the same body of work rather than attempting to dig up links to previous posts on those matters…

First off, we need to get rid of the assumption that the perp was known to the victims or otherwise had to enter through the front door just because there was no sign of forced entry and Sherrill was security conscious. As has been noted multiple times, there was a unique circumstance that night that may have negated the ‘all doors and windows locked’ scenario: Sherril was varnishing furniture that night, which means that there was a need for windows to be open to properly ventilate the home (central air wouldn’t work for those purposes), and even if she had decided to just ride out the fumes in her room with the door shut, the girls would not have had that option due to Suzie’s room having no interior door, and they very likely would have opted to open the sliding glass door to air things out (remember, teens think nothing bad could ever happen to them) – either way, you have a viable means of entry that would not show the next day, as the perps could have simply shut the door/window before leaving. And before anyone argues about window screens, unless you are talking about new, expensive all-in-one window setups, screens are very easy to pop out of the way without leaving signs of tampering if you know what you are doing.

When I look at this scenario, it SCREAMS serial killer or some other form of sexual predator – specifically an organized, sociopathic sexual-sadist, very likely working alone. To be rather crude, this initial crime scene is a sexual predator’s wet dream…as my analysis progresses, I think that you will see why I say this.

When the FBI ‘profiler’ stated that ‘this case is like no other that we (the FBI) have seen’, he was either grandstanding or an idiot, because this initial crime scene bears strong resemblance to a number of other cases – it is only in the exact combination of all details that it is unique, and that can be said for a large number of homicide/missing persons cases. A convenient way of getting across my point is to use Dennis Rader (the BTK killer), who was a home invasion style serial killer, as a reference point (there are multiple reasons for this choice). Essentially, this scenario is what you would end up with if you gave Rader a brain (LE was amazed and a bit chagrined at how stupid he turned out to be – they overestimated him to a gross degree, not an uncommon thing as people tend to confuse cleverness with intelligence) and a secure locale to ‘play’ in. In fact, this scenario is near identical to his ‘ideal’ fantasy – the only reason Rader made his kills ‘on site’ is because he did not have a secure location to remove his victims to…and with the exception of the Bright murder (when he screwed up by not bringing his own bindings), Rader had things in hand to have been able to have removed his targets with NO SIGN OF STRUGGLE, and in at least two cases (the Otero and Wegerle murders) no sign of forced entry (granting of course that his trademark cutting of the phone lines and panty raiding would immediately raise suspicions).

Let us take a quick look at aspects of some of Rader’s crimes and see what they can tell us about how this one may have proceeded. Rader was able to quickly gain control of all of the victims with no struggle and little trouble through a combination of a gun and his sociopathic lying skills, reassuring his victims that if they allowed him to bind them he wouldn’t harm them. Most of the time he told them that he was on the run from the law and just needed some food and the car, and was going to tie them up so they couldn’t call the cops on him. In the Fox and Viand cases, he told her that he was a sexual deviant that was just going to tie her up and take some pictures and then rape her, but had no intention of otherwise harming her. In all cases they bought it long enough for him to render them defenseless, even though he had to juggle holding the gun and binding them. This tells us that it is quite easy for even a coward like Rader (who was scared of a teen boy half his weight) to single handedly take control of a number of individuals to the point that he can do whatever he wishes with them pretty much from the outset. Keep in mind that in the Otero case the father was a big guy that had been in the Special Forces, and the entire family other than the youngest boy had lots of self-defense and martial arts training, even 11 year old Josie.

With the exception of one acquaintance, none of Rader’s victims knew him, yet through careful stalking after his trolling found a potential target, he knew their routines quite well with only the limited observation of regularly driving by the residence at a variety of times of day. He also did test runs on the targeted houses to find out what the security/points of entry looked like. Neither of these are unusual techniques, being used by burglars and other home invaders, and would account for the Van/car sightings in the preceding weeks, along with the reports of suspicious activity in the immediate neighborhood that evening if the perp was cutting through yards to check out the vulnerable back end of the house without being seen from the street. This last follows Rader’s technique of parking nearby and making way to the home on foot. This also opens up the possibility that the perp was just doing a test run that night, but then found that the circumstances were just too tempting to resist (easy point of entry because of fumes, an additional hot teen to grab, nearest neighbor is out of town), and decided to make it a go (a very large percentage of serial rapists/killers have the materials needed to ‘do the job’ on hand at all times, starting at a point long before they do their first hit, and especially when prowling).

With regards to why the trolling perp would decide to go into stalk mode with this residence, I need only point out that a household with an attractive teen daughter, no male residents, and fencing/hedges obscuring various parts of the house is an ideal target.

Another bit of info that we can get from Rader’s confessions is that an assailant can, once the victims are bound, conceivably strangle them into unconsciousness and buy enough time to pretty much do whatever one wants, which in our perps case can be going to retrieve the van, leaving the women alone without having to worry, and then loading them into it without a struggle to draw attention, rendering them unconscious again as needed. It is also conceivable that if the perp just gets off on the killing itself, the women could have been strangled to death in a short period and then their bodies taken off site for disposal, as Rader did in his last two attacks. Rader’s attacks took relatively little time, usually less than an hour, including goofing around with the victim’s cars, telling us that our perp had more than enough time to do a simple grab and go.

The final clue that we can get from Rader is that, contrary to the assumptions made in profiles, a serial killer does NOT necessarily have any prior criminal record, unstable marriages or other outward signs of being a sociopath or whatnot, and that when that is the case, if they only go after strangers, about the only way to catch them is through their own stupidity (which is a bad sign for us if I am right in my scenario)"
 
Post #87..."Now, enough about idiot boy, on to how I see things going down. Two weeks before the fateful night, our villain spots (most likely) Suzie whilst out trolling (which he may have been doing for any amount of time, and over any size territory – trolling is often a wandering, random process, and this may even have been the perp’s first time trolling Springfield at all). Seeing an interesting prospect, the perp makes note and starts returning to the area to observe the house and general area, getting an idea of schedules, occupants, and viability of the house itself as a target. After some two weeks of this, the perp has come up with some basic game plans, and decides to do a dry run, with the porential for it to turn real if things look ideal.

The best time to do such a run is in the early hours of the morning, when there is little likelihood that there are potential observers awake and about, thus our perp most likely does not arrive in the backyard of the house until after midnight, and more likely after two or three in the morning. The perp either gets in place a bit before or a bit after the girls arrive and start to settle in for the night, and that’s when they likely give him the ideal setup of opening the sliding door to air out fumes from the varnish, and at the same time settle down watching a movie on the tv (there’s nothing on tv to watch at that time of morning other than skinemax, thus accounting for the VCR being on), which is facing opposite from the sliding door. The combination of their positioning/attention on the boob-tube and the moderate noise from the thing allows our perp to gain accesss to the room and be in close enough to quietly threaten the girls into submission using a gun, or even just an intimidating looking knife.

Once the girls are bound and gagged, our perp has to deal with the mom and the dog. Potentially, the dog is wandering the neighborhood at this point, but we can’t really assume that. Now if the dog has run of the house at this point, the perp may have forced Suzie to calm the animal and drop it over the fence, while if it is in Sherril’s room, the perp need only enter the room and threaten to kill the girls quickly enough that there is no time for the dog to alert her, and no time for her to call 911 or grab the gun she is speculated to have possessed. Once she is cowed, it’s just a matter of having her calm the dog/sticking it in the closet and marching her into her daughter’s room and binding and gagging her as well. If our perp is prepared with his own bindings (pre-tied ropes, zip ties etc), this entire process could take as little as five or ten minutes, leaving him at leisure to do as he wishes.

At this point things can take several courses depending on whether the perp has experience with strangulation, balls/recklessness, or is impatient/impotent (most SK’s focused solely on the kill are impotent and make up for it that way). If the perp knows how to do controlled strangulation, then we get the render them unconscious for a controlled exit strategy. If he’s in the last category, then he kills them and then is able to abscond with the bodies with little trouble other than the unwieldy nature of corpses (though I doubt this scenario, as shortly after death (or during the process), the body tends to lose bowel and bladder control which would leave traces for LE to pick up later). Finally, if neither of those apply, then our perp is ballsy and/or stupid, and he leaves to grab the van/car and just lucks out that none of the women manage to escape during that period.

At the point when the perp gets the van/car to the house, or before he leaves, he realizes that he needs to move Sherril’s car, and grabs all of the purses, not knowing which holds the key he needs. Finding the correct one, and for one reason or another not caring about the money (this is after all a man focused on power and sex to the exclusion of all other concerns, else he wouldn’t have reached the point of committing this act in the first place), he leaves the purses where he gathered them and goes about the predictable tasks of vehicle and women moving, cleans the scene of clues as best he can, and potentially takes some seemingly trivial keepsakes (say, some of Sherril’s shoes, perhaps some panties, nothing noticeable, unless it was Stacey’s overnight bag – Rader liked to do that, but he was pretty sloppy compared to our guy, and his theft was noticeable as he left the drawers in disarray). The perp and women/bodies then go to his prechosen safe area (either a local one shot or a non-local long term one), and what happens then just depends on his particular fetishes, and is invariably bad for the women.

Now as far as the ‘Suzie driving’ sighting, it is a possibility in the ‘ballsy/stupid’ scenario, but as far as van sightings go, I’m sticking with the papergirl sighting of the van parked nearby, and the multiple over two weeks sightings, as they came out immediately and didn’t contain any extraneous detail – for some reason I just don’t trust the porch-lady account. (Note, the over two week reports were apparently of a car or a van depending on the witness, and the perp may very well have used one vehicle for scouting and one for his runs in order to confuse potential witnesses/reduce chances of drawing extra attention on his run nights)

Okay, so this scenario still hasn’t answered the broken light cover, but it seems to me that the ‘knocked loose while carrying women’ scenario works just fine here – breaking it while trying to unscrew the bulb to disguise the exit doesn’t make sense, as he has access to the lightswitch, and of course breaking it as a ruse doesn’t fit at all, nor is it a particularly good concept in the first place."
 
You seem very disconnected .
It’s 1992 , this isn't an iPhone with 12,000 photos on it . It’s GRADUATION photos ..
they JUST graduated , eating Graduation cake . Not sure how you think teen girls looking at photos is weird .
I guarantee if I returned 12-24 hours later I’d know if this photo was or was not missing . Or if there were frames that were empty . Perhaps I’m more observant then most people but I can tell you what childhood friends parents had on the wall Years later .
i am very connected... i've talked to nigel and got a good read on her personally. have you?? no offense but I dont think she's someone i'd rely on much for info about Suzie... not credibly
 
And finally, post #88..."Now as to why I said that this is most likely a solo job – our perp left a very organized initial crime scene, with no signs of having committed any truly violent acts on site, which tells us that he is of the sociopathic variety of serial killer (psychopaths almost invariably leave messy crime scenes, and most often have only one crime scene, attacking, killing and then leaving in a blitz attack with no concern for disguising the crime). Sociopath serial killers that have partners almost always go with a psychopath or a submissive, as sociopaths tend to have too much friction over control and manipulations being perceived by each other to work well together. When there is a soc/psych mix, you tend to get a muddled crime scene, with a mix of organized and disorganized elements, which we don’t have here. With a submissive partner, that partner’s worship tends to get to the sociopath’s already swollen head, and the pair gets more and more over the top until they are inevitably caught, and we haven’t had any partnerships like that get caught that would match up in time/space with this crime.

So what does this scenario tell us? Essentially, if I am right, then our perp is a stranger, quite likely not from the immediate area, probably either transient or traveling a lot through their job, was solo and sociopathic (thus killing any chance of sudden confessions, it being a conspiracy of one, that one having little or no real conscience), had sex and power alone as a motivation, most likely never returned to the area after the crime, likely had a secondary crime scene that was relatively distant and isolated, and has probably killed again since unless he was caught or died (and if LE does have DNA/fingerprints from the crime scene of his, then he hasn’t been caught for anything serious). Cox and the Peacock brothers possibly fit the mold here, but for some reason I have my doubts, particularly about Cox...just a gut feeling there. In conclusion, barring some freak occurance or the perp escalating into psychopathic behavior (like Ted Bundy did), I really don’t see much chance of the perp ever being found, and I really think LE needs to open their files to the public in the hopes of at least being able to find the bodies and give the families a little closure.

Personally, I find this scenario to be far more KISS worthy than any conspiracy theories involving drug hits or hidden money, as the flaws in those types of victims’ backgrounds that draw the fire down on them tend to come out to the police and media pretty quickly in the post Eisenhower US. In addition, it gives us the reason for LE being so tight lipped – LE NEVER admits to potential serial killers unless the media forces them into it, which hasn’t happened here, and when the potential serial killer’s MO doesn’t match up with the known potential SK’s in the broad area, they really don’t like to share that info.

Okay, so there’s my rather longwinded take on things – whatcha think?"
 
Post #86..."Greetings all, this is my first post to this site, but I have been lurking it for quite a while…It is often stated here that it is desirable to see this case from a fresh viewpoint, and I believe that I have one that none here have, as no matter how cynical you may be, you are all ‘good people’, while I am not really: I am a sociopath and a sexual sadist – while I have never harmed anyone, and no longer have any intention of doing so, that is only because of intervention, therapy and monitoring before I had escalated past the ‘trolling’ stage. I have in the intervening years developed my sense of empathy to the point where I desire to see justice for victims of violent crimes, however I still do have the old fantasies and urges sitting in my head, and that is the viewpoint from which I am looking at this case, under the old ‘it takes a thief’ concept…

Please forgive the length of this analysis/scenario, which I will be using multiple posts for, and also for taking the time to point out/explain certain things that have already been discussed, as I find it convenient to talk about those things within the same body of work rather than attempting to dig up links to previous posts on those matters…

First off, we need to get rid of the assumption that the perp was known to the victims or otherwise had to enter through the front door just because there was no sign of forced entry and Sherrill was security conscious. As has been noted multiple times, there was a unique circumstance that night that may have negated the ‘all doors and windows locked’ scenario: Sherril was varnishing furniture that night, which means that there was a need for windows to be open to properly ventilate the home (central air wouldn’t work for those purposes), and even if she had decided to just ride out the fumes in her room with the door shut, the girls would not have had that option due to Suzie’s room having no interior door, and they very likely would have opted to open the sliding glass door to air things out (remember, teens think nothing bad could ever happen to them) – either way, you have a viable means of entry that would not show the next day, as the perps could have simply shut the door/window before leaving. And before anyone argues about window screens, unless you are talking about new, expensive all-in-one window setups, screens are very easy to pop out of the way without leaving signs of tampering if you know what you are doing.

When I look at this scenario, it SCREAMS serial killer or some other form of sexual predator – specifically an organized, sociopathic sexual-sadist, very likely working alone. To be rather crude, this initial crime scene is a sexual predator’s wet dream…as my analysis progresses, I think that you will see why I say this.

When the FBI ‘profiler’ stated that ‘this case is like no other that we (the FBI) have seen’, he was either grandstanding or an idiot, because this initial crime scene bears strong resemblance to a number of other cases – it is only in the exact combination of all details that it is unique, and that can be said for a large number of homicide/missing persons cases. A convenient way of getting across my point is to use Dennis Rader (the BTK killer), who was a home invasion style serial killer, as a reference point (there are multiple reasons for this choice). Essentially, this scenario is what you would end up with if you gave Rader a brain (LE was amazed and a bit chagrined at how stupid he turned out to be – they overestimated him to a gross degree, not an uncommon thing as people tend to confuse cleverness with intelligence) and a secure locale to ‘play’ in. In fact, this scenario is near identical to his ‘ideal’ fantasy – the only reason Rader made his kills ‘on site’ is because he did not have a secure location to remove his victims to…and with the exception of the Bright murder (when he screwed up by not bringing his own bindings), Rader had things in hand to have been able to have removed his targets with NO SIGN OF STRUGGLE, and in at least two cases (the Otero and Wegerle murders) no sign of forced entry (granting of course that his trademark cutting of the phone lines and panty raiding would immediately raise suspicions).

Let us take a quick look at aspects of some of Rader’s crimes and see what they can tell us about how this one may have proceeded. Rader was able to quickly gain control of all of the victims with no struggle and little trouble through a combination of a gun and his sociopathic lying skills, reassuring his victims that if they allowed him to bind them he wouldn’t harm them. Most of the time he told them that he was on the run from the law and just needed some food and the car, and was going to tie them up so they couldn’t call the cops on him. In the Fox and Viand cases, he told her that he was a sexual deviant that was just going to tie her up and take some pictures and then rape her, but had no intention of otherwise harming her. In all cases they bought it long enough for him to render them defenseless, even though he had to juggle holding the gun and binding them. This tells us that it is quite easy for even a coward like Rader (who was scared of a teen boy half his weight) to single handedly take control of a number of individuals to the point that he can do whatever he wishes with them pretty much from the outset. Keep in mind that in the Otero case the father was a big guy that had been in the Special Forces, and the entire family other than the youngest boy had lots of self-defense and martial arts training, even 11 year old Josie.

With the exception of one acquaintance, none of Rader’s victims knew him, yet through careful stalking after his trolling found a potential target, he knew their routines quite well with only the limited observation of regularly driving by the residence at a variety of times of day. He also did test runs on the targeted houses to find out what the security/points of entry looked like. Neither of these are unusual techniques, being used by burglars and other home invaders, and would account for the Van/car sightings in the preceding weeks, along with the reports of suspicious activity in the immediate neighborhood that evening if the perp was cutting through yards to check out the vulnerable back end of the house without being seen from the street. This last follows Rader’s technique of parking nearby and making way to the home on foot. This also opens up the possibility that the perp was just doing a test run that night, but then found that the circumstances were just too tempting to resist (easy point of entry because of fumes, an additional hot teen to grab, nearest neighbor is out of town), and decided to make it a go (a very large percentage of serial rapists/killers have the materials needed to ‘do the job’ on hand at all times, starting at a point long before they do their first hit, and especially when prowling).

With regards to why the trolling perp would decide to go into stalk mode with this residence, I need only point out that a household with an attractive teen daughter, no male residents, and fencing/hedges obscuring various parts of the house is an ideal target.

Another bit of info that we can get from Rader’s confessions is that an assailant can, once the victims are bound, conceivably strangle them into unconsciousness and buy enough time to pretty much do whatever one wants, which in our perps case can be going to retrieve the van, leaving the women alone without having to worry, and then loading them into it without a struggle to draw attention, rendering them unconscious again as needed. It is also conceivable that if the perp just gets off on the killing itself, the women could have been strangled to death in a short period and then their bodies taken off site for disposal, as Rader did in his last two attacks. Rader’s attacks took relatively little time, usually less than an hour, including goofing around with the victim’s cars, telling us that our perp had more than enough time to do a simple grab and go.

The final clue that we can get from Rader is that, contrary to the assumptions made in profiles, a serial killer does NOT necessarily have any prior criminal record, unstable marriages or other outward signs of being a sociopath or whatnot, and that when that is the case, if they only go after strangers, about the only way to catch them is through their own stupidity (which is a bad sign for us if I am right in my scenario)"
probably the worst theory/take i've seen on this case. this wasn't a serial killer or even a lone perp.
 
I was a teenager in the 90’s and looked at and exchanged pictures-especially senior pictures with my friends-nothing weird about it. I don’t know how anyone other than Nigel could’ve known what was disturbed or missing since no one milling in and out of Delmar had been there before that day. Someone could’ve taken a picture for a trophy but sometimes an empty frame is just an empty frame.
Nigel is fairly easy to talk to.... talked to her in 2015 once briefly about this case during a Red Cross (she was a coordinator for them)run in Springfield..... she wasnt as close to Suzie as she claims....all I'll say on that
 
probably the worst theory/take i've seen on this case. this wasn't a serial killer or even a lone perp.

What is your theory on who and why? I'm not being argumentative-just curious of your thoughts. Just to be clear, I don't necessarily support that theory and quite frankly, I don't really have a suspect or suspects in mind. I only brought the 3 posts over from thread #4 because they had been mentioned several times.
 
What is your theory on who and why? I'm not being argumentative-just curious of your thoughts. Just to be clear, I don't necessarily support that theory and quite frankly, I don't really have a suspect or suspects in mind. I only brought the 3 posts over from thread #4 because they had been mentioned several times.
my theory is that a 2-3 one-offs of Garrison (and even possibly him too) with a connection to Suzie abducted her to scare/threaten her and her mother because of an illegal drug operation they knew about and they didnt want it exposed in trial when she was to testify on the graverobbing..then when Stacy came through the door, they pivoted the plan and went with murder because "there was no turning back" and the crime is kept unsolved with the use of force & threats by someone of power...

i believe the garrison rape victim was someone who owed him money as well..... these are enforcers.. an enforcer was sent to abduct Suzie to send a message. hence why the money was left over in Sherrill's purse..this was a planned attack with one mission (shut these women up!)
 
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What is your theory on who and why? I'm not being argumentative-just curious of your thoughts. Just to be clear, I don't necessarily support that theory and quite frankly, I don't really have a suspect or suspects in mind. I only brought the 3 posts over from thread #4 because they had been mentioned several times.

I have very little doubt that this was a solo act.

I don’t necessarily agree with his actual theory regarding the details as I believe firmly that the perp is still alive and living in the general area.

Correct me if I am wrong but going on memory the last “official” police statement was about a “kidnapper” (assume male) whose whereabouts were unknown between the hours of 9 PM and 6 AM. That strongly suggests that the perp must have friends or relatives who would know such a person. Of course it could be a wild theory but after all the other possibilities are exhausted it really comes down to something the police have put forth.

Scenarios such as big drug operations and other such theories involving two bit criminals carrying out this crime just don’t pass the small test.

Got to wondering if the 1991 kidnap and murder of Cheryl Kenney was a trial run to something bigger like this crime. I called the Nevada PD last night and the case is still active. I may talk to them later today. It wouldn’t surprise me if the same perp did both crimes. Certainly the area fits.

I don’t want to waste my time or the police’s time if they have back burnered either case but I’ll bet the FBI would like to put these two crimes away. For a fact all the forensic material has been run through their facilities. With improved DNA testing it is entirely possible both cases are linked. Or not. Who can say?

I wish to thank you for taking the time to dig out and post these very old posts. I just remembered them because I saw them as quite insightful by someone who so openly admitted these urges that he had to suppress.
 
No offense mule but you change your theory more than the wind blows so I don’t know why you now all the sudden you have “ no doubt” now........youve called this impossible to be done by “two bit criminals”....why most crimes of this nature tend to be done by people with disregard for society not one-offs who pull off a perfect crime and decide to sit on their hands and post to Internet forums about it all day like monkeymann does....... your smell test needs adjusting
 
my theory is that a 2-3 one-offs of Garrison (and even possibly him too) with a connection to Suzie abducted her to scare/threaten her and her mother because of an illegal drug operation they knew about and they didnt want it exposed in trial when she was to testify )
There is nothing to expose in the institutional vandalism case . The prosecutor does not ask a witness “ any other crimes in Missouri while you’re here you want to bring up “? That’s not how it works .
She had already given a statement to SFPD ,there was no more harm she could do .

SEG was released on May 25, 1992
REW was paroled April 13,1992 .
That’s 44 & 11 days from out of state . Not a lot of time to get involved in some big conspiracy .
Now , if they had a chance encounter / sighting and decided to target the women that’s believable, since SFPD had Some probably Cause evidence to send to the GJ , so the question is , what evidence did they present that the GJ did not think was enough for a true bill ?
 
No offense mule but you change your theory more than the wind blows so I don’t know why you now all the sudden you have “ no doubt” now........youve called this impossible to be done by “two bit criminals”....why most crimes of this nature tend to be done by people with disregard for society not one-offs who pull off a perfect crime and decide to sit on their hands and post to Internet forums about it all day like monkeymann does....... your smell test needs adjusting

I am not going to get into an argument with you. Please keep to the case. I ask you respectfully.
 
There is nothing to expose in the institutional vandalism case . The prosecutor does not ask a witness “ any other crimes in Missouri while you’re here you want to bring up “? That’s not how it works .
She had already given a statement to SFPD ,there was no more harm she could do .

SEG was released on May 25, 1992
REW was paroled April 13,1992 .
That’s 44 & 11 days from out of state . Not a lot of time to get involved in some big conspiracy .
Now , if they had a chance encounter / sighting and decided to target the women that’s believable, since SFPD had Some probably Cause evidence to send to the GJ , so the question is , what evidence did they present that the GJ did not think was enough for a true bill ?
actually it IS how it works... open ended questions are the entire point of cross examination...why do you think defense lawyers have the "then what happened" joke about prosecuting attorneys....
Prosecution can ask whatever they want... esp. if a GR was involved in other crimes or her car was used in other crimes.........she may expose a certain person dealing a certain illegal thing and bam...and how do you criminals dealing drugs know every rule of law?.. they dont want to take any chances...they may have just disliked Suzie talking to cops in general but motive is clear no matter how you want to spin it..it was to silence these women and ensure they wouldn’t talk any further
the men associated with Steve were questioned because of their access/link to vehicles and potential weapons used.... also SG wasn’t developing the conspiracy or the network of drugs....the drug network existed prior to his release and the others. His friends sought because of secondary items like vehicles, weapons, assistance, etc imo
tuna was questioned about his rides with Steve and vehicles and nothing else....it’s clear why that GJ was formed: info about the items surrounding the abduction and post abduction

You do realize steve knew other gooses/drug dealers...including one who was father of Clay's ex...did you even look into his gun crime? and if sherrill had a gun, did you trace the ownership of the gun?

also what was Steve’s alibi that night ?
 
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