Motive

[passionflower]

MARLAP/TEXASMIST
I think ductape over mouth with heart says "SHUT UP FOREVER" in kc goulish mind!

I remember kc said to bf.........spending a day with CAYLEE is draining; like working 12 hours at universal...........somthing like that. kc could not stand Caylee in what we always called the terrible 2 stage..........

 

[marlap]

MARLAP/TEXASMIST
I think ductape over mouth with heart says "SHUT UP FOREVER" in kc goulish mind!

I remember kc said to bf.........spending a day with CAYLEE is draining; like working 12 hours at universal...........somthing like that. kc could not stand Caylee in what we always called the terrible 2 stage..........

Passionflower, what a great observation! I completely agree.

 

[billysmom]

It's all about appearances. KC wanted her freedom and didn't want to support a child. Not many men would want another man's child like in Susan Smith.

It infuriated me that Susan Smith didn't just hand over custody to her ex/the boy's father. But.....how would that look to her friends and family? A mother giving up their child?

So it's the same with KC. She couldn't just give custody to her parents because? What would people THINK of a mother that would do that?

Yep, now it's worse for KC. What do people think of her now?

 

[billysmom]

It's all about appearances. KC wanted her freedom and didn't want to support a child. Not many men would want another man's child like in Susan Smith.

It infuriated me that Susan Smith didn't just hand over custody to her ex/the boy's father. But.....how would that look to her friends and family? A mother giving up their child?

So it's the same with KC. She couldn't just give custody to her parents because? What would people THINK of a mother that would do that?

Yep, now it's worse for KC. What do people think of her now?

 

[Tinydancer]

Just a thought...I wonder if this has been addressed: How verbal was Caylee, and could she have verbally indicated to others where she had been spending her days and nights? Could this be a KCs motivation to do what she did?

 

[SoCalSleuth]

It's been said that she was starting to be very verbal. I know that GA and CA used to ask her questions and she answered them as well as a toddler could. I always thought they asked about her day and they knew KC wasn't working because of it. Any two year old can answer: Did you have fun today? Did you go to the beach today? Park today? Have a nap? If CA tucked her in at night as she has stated--surely she talked to her before bed. What else do you ask a toddler but how her day went?

 

[MaraSleuth]

My son is the exact age as Caylee and she seems a lot less verbal than he in the videos. Almost delayed a bit. My son is very verbal - but it is hard to get him to answer a question about something. I can ask him something and he turns around and talks about something else. He does well with 'yes' and 'no' type questions. For him to say something specific about something (other than his passions his cars, trucks, dinosaurs) is rare w/o me prompting.

All kids are different so it can be possible. I have two nieces the same age as my son and they are a lot more verbal than Caylee seems from the videos. I almost would have said she is a bit delayed.

Oooo..my first post.

 

[Tinydancer]

ty for your comments....'

 

[marlap]

Just a thought...I wonder if this has been addressed: How verbal was Caylee, and could she have verbally indicated to others where she had been spending her days and nights? Could this be a KCs motivation to do what she did?

Tinydancer, there is a Motive thread and one of the first things mentioned is Caylee's beginning to speak. Lots of discussion about it being a possible motive.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

My son is the exact age as Caylee and she seems a lot less verbal than he in the videos. Almost delayed a bit. My son is very verbal - but it is hard to get him to answer a question about something. I can ask him something and he turns around and talks about something else. He does well with 'yes' and 'no' type questions. For him to say something specific about something (other than his passions his cars, trucks, dinosaurs) is rare w/o me prompting.

All kids are different so it can be possible. I have two nieces the same age as my son and they are a lot more verbal than Caylee seems from the videos. I almost would have said she is a bit delayed.

Oooo..my first post.

WELCOME!



I think it could have been part of the motivation. GA stated in his FBI interviews that when they asked Caylee about Zanny, or Zach and Annabelle that she didn't respond, got kind of a blank look, like it didn't register.

I can see Caylee saying something like "Momma and I went to McDonalds for lunch today" Or "Momma was on the computer all day"

My son is a little older but he used to bust out my internet usage with the best of them! LOL!

 

[marlap]

My son is the exact age as Caylee and she seems a lot less verbal than he in the videos. Almost delayed a bit. My son is very verbal - but it is hard to get him to answer a question about something. I can ask him something and he turns around and talks about something else. He does well with 'yes' and 'no' type questions. For him to say something specific about something (other than his passions his cars, trucks, dinosaurs) is rare w/o me prompting.

All kids are different so it can be possible. I have two nieces the same age as my son and they are a lot more verbal than Caylee seems from the videos. I almost would have said she is a bit delayed.

Oooo..my first post.

Welcome Mara!

I think Caylee may have been much more verbal than that video shows because she was "pretending to read" the little book.

WELCOME!

I think it could have been part of the motivation. GA stated in his FBI interviews that when they asked Caylee about Zanny, or Zach and Annabelle that she didn't respond, got kind of a blank look, like it didn't register.

I can see Caylee saying something like "Momma and I went to McDonalds for lunch today" Or "Momma was on the computer all day"

My son is a little older but he used to bust out my internet usage with the best of them! LOL!

Insomnia, that is an excellent point! He did say that.

 

[Spyglass]

If the earlier computer searches show intent, KC had been researching ways to kill little Caylee. It doesn't seem that the death was pre-planned for 6/15-16 though. There was a huge blowup on 6/15 between CA and KC according to neighbors. It is possible that on the long ride to and from the nursing home, CA questioned Caylee and got an ear full; she then confronted KC with what she'd learned. In the aftermath, KC was furious with her Mom and with Caylee.

 

[MaraSleuth]

I think it could have been part of the motivation. GA stated in his FBI interviews that when they asked Caylee about Zanny, or Zach and Annabelle that she didn't respond, got kind of a blank look, like it didn't register.

Thanks for the welcomes!

My son gets the blank look too if I talk about something that he is not familiar with. I'd say your quote above is telling. Caylee gave a blank look because there is no Zanny. Who is Zach and Annabelle?

 

[marlap]

If the earlier computer searches show intent, KC had been researching ways to kill little Caylee. It doesn't seem that the death was pre-planned for 6/15-16 though. There was a huge blowup on 6/15 between CA and KC according to neighbors. It is possible that on the long ride to and from the nursing home, CA questioned Caylee and got an ear full; she then confronted KC with what she'd learned. In the aftermath, KC was furious with her Mom and with Caylee.

That's how I believe it happened too. She knew she was going to kill her but didn't know exactly when, and the fight put her over the edge.

 

[Tinydancer]

thanks.

 

[sttct]

I believe the motive to be control. As it usually seems to be. Casey wanted control of her life, she didn't want her parents meddling. She couldn't very well control a lot of things, but she could control a little baby. I think she exacted her revenge on her parents for not them pointing out that Casey was definately not in control. She is a spoiled little brat!

 

[2goldfish]

I still can't figure out a motive. It wasn't the partying cause she had live-in sitters. ok, it wasn't 24/7 but it was way more than I had at her age with a baby that age which was zero. :biglaugh:

It wasn't frequent abuse that went too far, there was no indication of that - neglect, possibly, but not physical abuse.

It wasn't TonE. That was too new, didn't actually appear to be heading that way with him goin' back to NY and all and it wasn't like Smith where the guy wrote a letter saying "if it werent for the kids" sort of a thing. I think TonE just was having a flingy-thingy and so was KC. He wasn't hostile to children is all I am saying.If it had gotten to the point where TonE was like...."I cant handle kids, sorry..." then maybe.

I dont think it was Cindy. "gee, my mom is mad cause I stole a bunch of money again. I'll teach her! c'mere, caylee...." To me that makes no sense whatsoever but then, murdering one's child is quite senseless so what do I know.

Originally I assumed it was a rage attack and maybe it was. But I can only speak for myself that no matter how mad I was, I wouldn't be that mad to, say, hold a pillow over my kid's face and not realise what was going to happen before s/he stopped struggling. And since there was no trauma to the skull, say, then she didnt hit her or push her to cause a fall with a head injury although that couldnt be ruled out and sometimes there is no bone trauma. or, maybe hit her hard enough in the stomach to cause internal bleeding (I feel sick and evil even typing this...)...but that falls under accident and she was not ever acting like someone who lost her baby in an accident, no grief, no nightmares, no tears, no depression.

And face it, KC woulda been all over the attention from having an accidentally dead baby. Sure, Cindy wouldn't forgive her, but where is any indication KC cares about Cindy? Truthfully? What is Cindy's pain compared to freedom and a free ride from her parents even longer since she is grieving?

Plus, that doesn't explain duct tape....

I still can't imagine who plans a murder for 4 in the afternoon. If, in fact, it was about 4 in the afternoon. I still wonder myself if the night of 6/15 was it. But then, she was on the phone with TonE all night. I mean, really, are you like.."brb, gotta do something real quick", kill your kid, then text or call right back??? but maaaaayyybe caylee wouldn't sleep and KC hadn't been sleeping and she just...couldn't....take it...any more. I guess then getting right back to the phone is no weirder than killing your kid at 4 pm and then headin' to blockbuster at 630 like nothing happened..

That is the worst bit. No matter how cold KC was, how could there be no reaction whatsoever afterwards? no stress, no tears, no nothing?

I can't figure out a single motive that makes any sense at all to me.

 

[Texas Mist]

This explanation (from http://marileestrong.blogspot.com/) as to why SP & sociopaths like him commit 'eraser' killings seems very fitting in KC's case (bold mine):

"The motive, the "why' question puzzled nearly all of those who followed the case in the media -- a question talked about endlessly "off-camera" among those of us who covered the criminal trial -- was why someone like Scott would choose to murder his wife and unborn child rather than, simplify, get a divorce.

The real answer to this question helped lead me to a very different understanding of this type of killer because the typical motivations for murder -- financial gain, to be with another woman, jealousy, "snapping" -- just don't fit.

Scott himself made the comment in one of the many phone conversations secretly recorded by Amber Frey, in which he explained with his characteristic mix of evasiveness and revelation that his plan had been to "simplify" his life. What Scott says on these tapes may make little sense to the unschooled listener. But these strange conversations take on great meaning when one understands the inherently twisted logic of the psychopath, for whom emotionally-laden words are often mismatched and incorrectly processed because their emotions are only skin-deep. Nothing connects to any genuine feeling inside.

By analyzing all available records on hundreds cases, I have come to see that Scott Peterson and other eraser killers do not kill for the reasons normally ascribed to spousal murderers. They eliminate the women, and sometimes children, in their lives because they no longer serve any useful purpose to them. They view those they once claimed to love as inconveniences, impediments to the kind of life they covet and fantasize for themselves. They see them, quite literally, as dead weight. In the mind of this type of murderer, it is quicker, easier, and more satisfying for him to simplify one's life by murder than to get a divorce."

or, in KC's case, hand over legal custody of Caylee to the GPs...no paperwork to deal with, no schedule changes to accomodate court hearings or meeting with attorneys. No having to explain all of life's complications to 'friends'.

In her mind it was easier to simply say 'someone took her....and if I can't find her no one can...oh, welll !'. It's the equivalent of the 'disappeared' wife who was last seen leaving for her morning jog or walk.

(JMO)

 

[Brini]

I still can't figure out a motive. It wasn't the partying cause she had live-in sitters. ok, it wasn't 24/7 but it was way more than I had at her age with a baby that age which was zero. :biglaugh:

It wasn't frequent abuse that went too far, there was no indication of that - neglect, possibly, but not physical abuse.

It wasn't TonE. That was too new, didn't actually appear to be heading that way with him goin' back to NY and all and it wasn't like Smith where the guy wrote a letter saying "if it werent for the kids" sort of a thing. I think TonE just was having a flingy-thingy and so was KC. He wasn't hostile to children is all I am saying.If it had gotten to the point where TonE was like...."I cant handle kids, sorry..." then maybe.

I dont think it was Cindy. "gee, my mom is mad cause I stole a bunch of money again. I'll teach her! c'mere, caylee...." To me that makes no sense whatsoever but then, murdering one's child is quite senseless so what do I know.

Originally I assumed it was a rage attack and maybe it was. But I can only speak for myself that no matter how mad I was, I wouldn't be that mad to, say, hold a pillow over my kid's face and not realise what was going to happen before s/he stopped struggling. And since there was no trauma to the skull, say, then she didnt hit her or push her to cause a fall with a head injury although that couldnt be ruled out and sometimes there is no bone trauma. or, maybe hit her hard enough in the stomach to cause internal bleeding (I feel sick and evil even typing this...)...but that falls under accident and she was not ever acting like someone who lost her baby in an accident, no grief, no nightmares, no tears, no depression.

And face it, KC woulda been all over the attention from having an accidentally dead baby. Sure, Cindy wouldn't forgive her, but where is any indication KC cares about Cindy? Truthfully? What is Cindy's pain compared to freedom and a free ride from her parents even longer since she is grieving?

Plus, that doesn't explain duct tape....

I still can't imagine who plans a murder for 4 in the afternoon. If, in fact, it was about 4 in the afternoon. I still wonder myself if the night of 6/15 was it. But then, she was on the phone with TonE all night. I mean, really, are you like.."brb, gotta do something real quick", kill your kid, then text or call right back??? but maaaaayyybe caylee wouldn't sleep and KC hadn't been sleeping and she just...couldn't....take it...any more. I guess then getting right back to the phone is no weirder than killing your kid at 4 pm and then headin' to blockbuster at 630 like nothing happened..

That is the worst bit. No matter how cold KC was, how could there be no reaction whatsoever afterwards? no stress, no tears, no nothing?

I can't figure out a single motive that makes any sense at all to me.

But, the 24/7 live-in sitters had HAD it. CA was demanding KC get a job and start assuming some responsibility. She wanted KC out of the house, working, and acting like an adult. They also ripped her a new one for robbing her granddad.

KC, in spite, took Caylee and went off to stay with friends. No money, except what she stole. NO sitter! All those men and all those parties and NO sitter.

Caylee got in the way. KC had to give up a few parties, and the trip to PR with friends, because she had a kid on her hands,

And, KC DID want to marry Tony, as evidenced by her practicing her "married name" on a paper that the FBI found. She didn't LOVE Tony. She just wanted to marry him. He said, "No female children."

Also, Caylee was beginning to learn to talk, and so could report back on what KC was doing.

No surprise about no tears from KC. Sociopaths don't bond.

 

[Brini]

WELCOME!



I think it could have been part of the motivation. GA stated in his FBI interviews that when they asked Caylee about Zanny, or Zach and Annabelle that she didn't respond, got kind of a blank look, like it didn't register.

I can see Caylee saying something like "Momma and I went to McDonalds for lunch today" Or "Momma was on the computer all day"

My son is a little older but he used to bust out my internet usage with the best of them! LOL!

"I took a nap in the trunk." "Mommy and I slept with Uncle Tony."